Dinosaurs demonic?

[*LILAC]

that's what Eric Dubay says.

I didn't know that. It was what my Sunday school teachers always said so we never thought much of it. Whoop de do, right?

 

[GenemZ]

So in summation, if we don't believe dinosaurs were demonic we are not saved and God will forever cast us into the lake of fire? Okie dokie, Smokie.

No sir...

If you don't believe dinosaurs existed is another matter.

"Demonic" dinosaurs is a bad term. When Adam fell, the animal life fell along with him. Likewise, when certain angels fell who were given dominion over the prehistoric creation? When they rebelled and fell? Likewise, their animals under the angelic dominion also fell as with Adam and his animals. In that sense certain dinosaurs transformed and became representations of the demonic mind of the fallen angels.

Here is one example.

" But if you bite and devour one another,
take care that you are not consumed by
one another." Gal 5:15​

That is man reflecting the mental nature of Satan.

Now, what did Satan have at the time of his fall? (man was not around yet to serve as examples of demonic thinking)

God used some of the prehistoric animals to reflect back to Satan and his angels how they were in their mental attitude. God did so by providing raptors and T-Rex.

"Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls
around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." 1 Pet 5:8​

God has caused certain animals to function as living metaphors to reflect back to men (and angels) attitudes that certain men wish to cling to.

For.. I can make all the sense in the world. Yet? If someone wishes to be as stubborn as a mule?

God has made it so the animals within a kingdom reflect to the men in that kingdom certain attitudes that these animals manifest, and can be cited as illustrations about men. Both for good, or bad.

 

[GenemZ]

You serious right now? Because wow it's a good thing you're not high on your judgement horse.

I am only a messenger.

" But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak,
they will give account of it in the day of judgment." Mat 12:36​

That is the Word of God. I was not credited for the quote.

If I were a passenger in your car, and you were driving much over the speed limit? Would I be judging you if I mentioned what the speed limit is? I am only a messenger. No one could quote Scripture if your way of thinking prevailed.

 

[*LILAC]

I am only a messenger.

" But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak,
they will give account of it in the day of judgment." Mat 12:36​

That is the Word of God. I was not credited for the quote.

If I were a passenger in your car, and you were driving much over the speed limit? Would I be judging you if I mentioned what the speed limit is? I am only a messenger. No one could quote Scripture if your way of thinking prevailed.

God knows best! Still not sure what this has to do with Santy Claus or dinosaurs.

 

[Phil 1:21]

No sir...

If you don't believe dinosaurs existed is another matter.

So if they don't believe in dinosaurs...no salvation and lake of fire?

"Demonic" dinosaurs is a bad term. When Adam fell, the animal life fell along with him. Likewise, when certain angels fell who were given dominion over the prehistoric creation? When they rebelled and fell? Likewise, their animals under the angelic dominion also fell as with Adam and his animals. In that sense certain dinosaurs transformed and became representations of the demonic mind of the fallen angels.

Yeah, about that...gonna need a scriptural reference or two for the whole "angelic dominion over prehistoric creation and dinosaurs representing the demonic minds of fallen angels stuff."

And I agree wholeheartedly with the poster who said this thread belongs in the conspiracy theories subforum. It'd give the flat earth thing a good run for its money.

 

[Kaon]

My gung ho friend believes that dinosaurs are really demons or part of the devil's creation? I find that hard to believe in some dinosaurs like Triceratops and Brontosaurus but with T-rexes , maybe.

Genetic manipulations.

We are doing it today; nothing new under the sun,.

 

[GenemZ]

Your link says nothing about "angelic dominion over prehistoric creation and dinosaurs representing the demonic minds of fallen angels." And certainly didn't provide any scriptural references for such.

So then, were you going to provide any scriptural support? Or just persist with personal attacks?

It shows there was another world that existed before Genesis 1:2. A prehistoric world. That is vitally important. For it shows that this present creation was not the first one to grace the surface of this planet.

That needs to be established before anyone can begin to see what took place with the angels with that creation.

Can you see that much yet?

 

[ChurchMilitant]

1 Enoch 7:4-6 explains :

...... the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
• 1 Enoch 7:4-6

Books of Enoch

That's why they were Destroyed in The Flood. Because they were not apart of "The Original" created species of God. They were abominations.

Most of the early Church fathers and the cannons established by the Holy Catholic Church never considered Enoch Holy and Inspired scripture.

 

[GenemZ]

Most of the early Church fathers and the cannons established by the Holy Catholic Church never considered Enoch Holy and Inspired scripture.

Yet, the Apocrypha they did.

Enoch was not Scripture... but more like a commentary about Scripture with claimed visions from God. Its interesting commentary, but there are faults with it as well.

 

[Phil 1:21]

It shows there was another world that existed before Genesis 1:2. A prehistoric world. That is vitally important. For it shows that this present creation was not the first one to grace the surface of this planet.

That needs to be established before anyone can begin to see what took place with the angels with that creation.

Can you see that much yet?

Fails to answer the question asked. Try again.

 

[ChurchMilitant]

Yet, the Apocrypha they did.

Enoch was not Scripture... but more like a commentary about Scripture with claimed visions from God. Its interesting commentary, but there are faults with it as well.

The reason why the Apocraphya is considered Holy Scripture is because the Apostles and Jesus Christ quoted from the Greek Septugiant (which comprise over 60% of the quotes of the New Testament). Furthermore, many of the Church fathers considered it holy scripture.

 

[GenemZ]

The reason why the Apocraphya is considered Holy Scripture is because the Apostles and Jesus Christ quoted from the Greek Septugiant (which comprise over 60% of the quotes of the New Testament). Furthermore, many of the Church fathers considered it holy scripture.

One can also say some of them quoted from the Book of Enoch as well. Jude and Peter could be made to appear to have done that. They did not necessarily quote from them.

 

[GenemZ]

My gung ho friend believes that dinosaurs are really demons or part of the devil's creation? I find that hard to believe in some dinosaurs like Triceratops and Brontosaurus but with T-rexes , maybe.

Are the gentle lamb and cow a part of our fallen creation? Yet we have poisonous snakes and ferocious animals in the mix as well.

Just because not all of our animals are ferocious and dangerous does not mean this world is not fallen and doomed to destruction.

Likewise, the prehistoric creation contained both docile and violently aggressive animals.

If the world were not fallen there would only be gentle animals.

The mixture of ferocious and gentle animals plays out a part of the conflict between good and evil that exists in a fallen creation. Before Lucifer fell previous creations were not containing ferocious animals. That is why we find different animal kingdoms (periods) existing in the fossil records. God was setting up classrooms with advancing lessons using animals so the angels could see why violence and good can never get along. There were advancing more complex animal kingdom eras created to teach the angels with.

Then the college grade for angels began. That is when God wiped out the earth's prehistoric life and started over again. (Genesis 1:2)

This created world was with not having just plant life and animals. This time .. There was something the angels could personally identify themselves with. "Let us create man in our image."

Man now reflects either God's thinking to the angels. Or, Satan's thinking.

Animals alone could never do that. They could only portray gentleness or violence. Man was created by God for the advanced stage of ending the prehistoric angelic conflict. For Satan still wants to vindicate himself as to show God he did not wrong. He wants out of the Lake of Fire and has demanded an appeal trial. We are that trial hearing before angels and God. Who are you a witness for? That is the question.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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Edit: This thread had a clean up because of flaming and goading.

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[The Barbarian]

It makes no sense if you figure "nothing" produced something. They play games with the naive by showing them a lot of intricate details ... without ever explaining where the material they were made out of came from.

Would it offend you, if I told you that God created it? That was Darwin's opinion. It's completely consistent with evolution, of course.

 

[Christie insb]

1 Enoch 7:4-6 explains :

...... the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
• 1 Enoch 7:4-6

Books of Enoch

That's why they were Destroyed in The Flood. Because they were not apart of "The Original" created species of God. They were abominations.

This is why Enoch isn't in the Canon.

 

[GenemZ]

Would it offend you, if I told you that God created it? That was Darwin's opinion. It's completely consistent with evolution, of course.

I never saw that attributed to Darwin before. I thought he was silent on the matter.

 

[The Barbarian]

I never saw that attributed to Darwin before. I thought he was silent on the matter.

The last sentence in On The Origin of Species, 1872 ed.
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.

 

[GenemZ]

The last sentence in On The Origin of Species, 1872 ed.
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.

So? What was the argument with the churches at that time? That we evolved from some chimp and not had not come afresh from the hand of God?

Darwin was noting one thing and then misapplied that truth. That God had designed the ability for designated creatures to physically change as their means to adapt to environmental changes.

Darwin's problem was when he assumed that we all descended from the prehistoric world.

I can see why.. Being ignorant of the Hebrew word meanings of Genesis One (as many Christians are also). I can see how he could have assumed that.

Interesting enough.. The Bible indicated to scholars who lived long before Darwin was born that there had been other worlds created (and destroyed) before our current creation came into being by God.

After this current creation has served its purpose for God? There will be new one to replace it.

"The wolf shall dwell with the lamb,
and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together;
and a little child shall lead them.
"The cow and the bear shall graze;
their young shall lie down together;
and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
"The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra,
and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den. (Isa 11:6-8)

 

[GenemZ]

The last sentence in On The Origin of Species, 1872 ed.

Scholars who lived long before Darwin was born had discovered through their understanding of the ancient languages of the Bible that other created worlds preceded this one. They simply did not know what to make of it because knowledge of the prehistoric world was not yet well understood.

Here is the man who wrote the work I am to refer you to. ACOL - ABOUT THE AUTHOR

And... here is an online copy of a chapter of his work to explain what I spoke of. Without Form and Void - Chapter 1

In the end it all makes sense.