Dinosaurs and Man

[leothelioness]

creation is poetry in motion, regardless there's a genealogy from Adam to Christ were do you see where the scripture goes from fiction to nonfiction, and as far as the Jews interpretation of Genesis, I have only the 66 books, and 40 or so inspired authors, and apostles and Jesus's words to go on, and none of them refered to the creation story as allegorical, so I think I'll stick with them Jews as to how THEY interpreted genesis, but thanks!

Hey, that's perfectly fine. If it makes you feel better and fits with your vision go ahead. It's okay if you're Baptist, I guess. lol

 

[Hentenza]

Um, because eternity is incompatible with time. Pretty simple really. Adam and Eve and the Garden were created to be eternal, but through disobedience were punished through the promise of an eventual death.

Do you people not read the Bible or something? Jeez.

Was the newly created earth where Adam and Eve lived part of the physical universe or outside of it?

 

[leothelioness]

I would say it was part of it obviously. A physical, eternal universe.

Why?

 

[Hentenza]

I would say it was part of it obviously. A physical, eternal universe.

Why?

Because God created the universe and time. There has been time in the physical universe from the beginning because the universe has a beginning and will have an end. Adam and Eve were created in an universe with time and Adam and Eve had a beginning (and an end), therefore, there was time prior to the fall.

 

[realtruth101]

Um, because eternity is incompatible with time. Pretty simple really. Adam and Eve and the Garden were created to be eternal, but through disobedience were punished through the promise of an eventual death.

Do you people not read the Bible or something? Jeez.

So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.......read that! pretty simple really, whether he was in the garden or out of the garden Adam lived 930 YEARS! human sun up, sun go down, day to week, to month, to year, whether they were luner or solar, there just years, not some Rod Searling twilight zone episode of timeless existance, study a little bible hermenuetics it will help you alot!

 

[leothelioness]

Because God created the universe and time. There has been time in the physical universe from the beginning because the universe has a beginning and will have an end. Adam and Eve were created in an universe with time and Adam and Eve had a beginning (and an end), therefore, there was time prior to the fall.

It wasn't created to have an end originally. It was to be eternal, but through disobedience to God, man and the rest of creation were given an alotted time before the destruction of it and the consequential creation of a new heaven and Earth that will be without end.

Come on, Hentenza. You're a smart guy and I respect you a lot.

 

[leothelioness]

So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.......read that! pretty simple really, whether he was in the garden or out of the garden Adam lived 930 YEARS! human sun up, sun go down, day to week, to month, to year, whether they were luner or solar, there just years, not some Rod Searling twilight zone episode of timeless existance, study a little bible hermenuetics it will help you alot!

I'm not even going to give you the dignity of a debate since you obviously don't read nor do you have the intellectual capacity for one.

 

[Hupomone10]

Since physical time did not exist then and the Creation account was written in poetic prose as I said before, yes, you can absolutely interpret that as billions of years. God's time is not our own. Why do people have such a hard time understanding this simple fact?

Oh. I thought you didn't respond. I'm behind...

What is your Scriptural reference for the conclusion that physical time didn't exist "then"?

Regarding poetic prose,

When poetic prose mentions a day, say in a poem, do you assume because it's poetic prose that it's not a day? Or maybe when science disagrees with it, then it's not a day.

Here's an example where "day" is figurative: "As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."
(Rom. 8:38). We also face death at night, and the next day, and the next.

"For the day is near, Even the day of the LORD is near; It will be a day of clouds, A time of doom for the nations." (Ezekiel 30:3)

Here we know it's figurative, because he goes on to define it as a "time".

Is it ever defined that way in Genesis?


Gen 1:5
"And there was evening and there was morning, one day."

Gen 1:8
And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

Gen 1:13
And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.

Gen 1:19
And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Gen 1:23
And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

Gen 1:31
And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

It appears that God went out of His way to try to get across to us that it was a day. Faith in God and His Word sees it; faith in man's science doesn't.

There is God's Word (truth), and there is man's spin on the truth. Guess which one much of science falls into.

Blessings,
H.

 

[realtruth101]

It wasn't created to have an end originally. It was to be eternal, but through disobedience to God, man and the rest of creation were given an alotted time before the destruction of it and the consequential creation of a new heaven and Earth that will be without end.

Come on, Hentenza. You're a smart guy and I respect you a lot.

where do you find that written in the bible? or is this another personal speculation, .....speculation is fine, as long as the one speculating doesn't deliver it as truth.....big difference!.......personally I love to speculate, but I usually start my sentance with "I surmise" or I speculate that" or I'm guessing that......but thats just me

 

[realtruth101]

Oh. I thought you didn't respond. I'm behind...

What is your Scriptural reference for the conclusion that physical time didn't exist "then"?

Regarding poetic prose,

When poetic prose mentions a day, say in a poem, do you assume because it's poetic prose that it's not a day? Or maybe when science disagrees with it, then it's not a day.

Here's an example where "day" is figurative: "As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."
(Rom. 8:38). We also face death at night, and the next day, and the next.

"For the day is near, Even the day of the LORD is near; It will be a day of clouds, A time of doom for the nations." (Ezekiel 30:3)

Here we know it's figurative, because he goes on to define it as a "time".

Is it ever defined that way in Genesis?


Gen 1:5
"And there was evening and there was morning, one day."

Gen 1:8
And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

Gen 1:13
And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.

Gen 1:19
And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Gen 1:23
And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

Gen 1:31
And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

It appears that God went out of His way to try to get across to us that it was a day. Faith in God and His Word sees it; faith in man's science doesn't.

There is God's Word (truth), and there is man's spin on the truth. Guess which one much of science falls into.

Blessings,
H.

you know your hermeneutics!...

 

[realtruth101]

I'm not even going to give you the dignity of a debate since you obviously don't read nor do you have the intellectual capacity for one.

Ha ha ha I remember when I was young and had all the answers to.....enjoy 22....they go by quick!

 

[sublime911]

Responding to someone saying humans could live with dinosaurs. All of the ones listed here have thick enough hide/scales to be completely unaffected by bronze age weaponry. If these coexisted with humans we would be wiped out. We would have had no defense against them and they would have a very easy food supply. They would have breed like crazy till humans were no more. Actually humans would have been perfect prey for most predatory dinosaurs.

Also by altering genes in mice we can make them gay. If we wanted to we could probably do the same with humans. Also homosexuality occurs in other animals naturaly.

Has The "Gay Gene" Been Found in Female Mice? | Popular Science

 

[Hupomone10]

you know your hermeneutics!...

Thanks, bro.

 

[Hupomone10]

Responding to someone saying humans could live with dinosaurs. All of the ones listed here have thick enough hide/scales to be completely unaffected by bronze age weaponry. If these coexisted with humans we would be wiped out. We would have had no defense against them and they would have a very easy food supply. They would have breed like crazy till humans were no more. Actually humans would have been perfect prey for most predatory dinosaurs.

Also by altering genes in mice we can make them gay. If we wanted to we could probably do the same with humans. Also homosexuality occurs in other animals naturaly.

Has The "Gay Gene" Been Found in Female Mice? | Popular Science

Not to mention lions, tigers, elephants, water buffalo, rhinosceri; all tremendously bigger and stronger than man. We're lucky THEY weren't around when man was. :o

I don't think you can "make" a mouse gay. They're born that way, or not. That's what I've been told anyway.

 

[realtruth101]

again if evolution were true, gay genes would become extinct in a very short period of time, some animals eat there young......is that considered natural too.......I suppose combine the eating of young gene and the homosexual gene, and homosexuality would be gone in a couple of years.....lol......but thats not the case, homosexuallity is a spiritual affliction, Its a delusion the same way an annorexic thinks she's fat, she feels fat, she looks in the mirror and see herself as fat. but the truth of the matter is she is a stick, skin hanging on her frail bones.....its a satanic deception to destroy the eternal lives of many

 

[PrincetonGuy]

Scientist who believe in Young-earth Creationism are outnumbered by those who do not by more than 10,000 to one. Is it just a coincidence that all of the 65 or so scientists who believe in young-earth creationism have two things in common?

1. They all believe in young-earth creationism because of their religious beliefs.

2. Then all believe in an archaic interpretation of Genesis 1-11, an interpretation that is not academically defensible.

Moreover, there is no such thing as “gay’ genes in people. If there were genes that cause homosexuality in people, we would not have sets of identical twins in which only one of the pair is homosexual. Some genes may make a person slightly more susceptible to the environmental factors that cause homosexuality, but there are no genes in people that cause homosexuality.

 

[realtruth101]

So by this reasoning, when Islam becomes the most prevalent religion, sheer numbers make it the correct and true religion......I'm afriad whether I was the last bible believing Christian on the planet, outnumbered by multitudes of scientist, somehow God always makes the wisedom of man appear foolish, It just always been that way, I'm a fool for God and His word! what can I say?

 

[sublime911]

Not to mention lions, tigers, elephants, water buffalo, rhinosceri; all tremendously bigger and stronger than man. We're lucky THEY weren't around when man was. :o

I don't think you can "make" a mouse gay. They're born that way, or not. That's what I've been told anyway.

Ya, Compare a lion and a spinosaurs. Did you look at the Size comparison picture I posted? One weighs 500 pounds the other weighs 21 tons. If they or any other predatory dinosaur lived during the bronze age humans would have been wiped out. Imagine 2 wolfs in a chicken coup with basically endless chickens.

Did you read the article? They changed what the mouse wanted to mate with.

 

[realtruth101]

I seen my dog try to mate with a stuffed animal, what does that tell you, and dogs are alot smarter than mice, then again put some men in prison long enough and that fine featured young man starts to look appealing, It doesn't mean a thing

 

[sublime911]

What were the arguments you guys had against various dating methods. I can correct the misconceptions for you if you want.