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Dinosaurs and Man

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So will you swear on the bible and god that you have never thought about men in a sexual way since you''ve become hetrosexual? And you haven't been sexually attracted to another man?
I didn't become a hetrosexual, I was born one, You don't really understand homosexuality by your own admission, and I don't swear on anything but let my yes be yes and my no be no, So I can tell you no I am no longer attracted to the same sex, It is a lie, a deception, and when you receive the truth and understand the delusion, it nolonger controls your mind. but this can only happen when you die to yourself and repent of your sins, and ask Jesus to live His life through you. Then something happens Its amazing!
 
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You can't speak for all homosexuals though. Just because you're a hetrosexual man who have had gay sex, doesn't mean you're like every other man in the world who have had gay sex. I know some guys that are disgusted by the tought of being with a woman.
make any assumptions you would like, maybe I wasn't gay enough?....lol.....You would not even reconize me today if you knew me before Jesus changed my life
 
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So god didn't create love, joy and good either?

How come these "ways of doing things" "feelings" "thoughts" exist in this world if it was not god who made them? Are they there just by default? i thought nothing was there by default[/quote

God did not create evil. What your talking about is free will "choice" to do rite or wrong.

Have you asked Jesus for salvation? Your salvation is important to me.

Here is a sample prayer, If you’re not saved ask God for salvation in Jesus Christ’s Name. Have faith in what your praying and you will be saved.

Come and tell a Christian Church that you have asked for salvation and They will help you grow in Christ. Go to Sunday school you will find it to be a great reward.

“God I know that I have sinned against you and am deserving of punishment. But Jesus Christ took the punishment that I deserve, so that through faith in Him I could be forgiven.

Jesus Christ, with your help I place my trust in you for salvation, and I ask that you will forgive me of my sins. I thank you for your wonderful grace and forgiveness.”
 
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It's not a philosophy. You can call it a philosophy all day long, and you still won't be correct about it. It's a fact :)
Maybe we can agree to disagree on that one. Since evolution is a theory, or a hypothesis as you pointed out, I do not wish to call a hypothesis a fact.
Maybe others can help with what?
Help you on the quest of discovering what makes us tick. We seem to have reached a stalemate with the evolution thing and all.

I merely wanted some fossils showing the evolution of the intricate features, since formation of an entire organism requires the formation of each individual part, feature, appendage, I was asking for some fossils showing this. Apparently there aren't any. One has to simply "believe" that it happened. That's the big disconnect in the evolution philosophy, and also that which in part makes it a philosophy requiring faith.

What I meant was that I think you would enjoy discussing with PrincetonGuy. I think you would be challenged in the debate as well, in a way that apparently I cannot do for you. At least that's the way it seems to me. Apologies if I've misread things.

Blessings,
H.
 
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You are the one making the assumption that all gay men are like you
Well the one thing all gay men have in common, is they are all deceived in believing the lie. I'm not sure why you would encourage an anorexic to continue not to eat because she thought she was fat, that is the same thing your doing when you encourage homosexuality, If people were born gay as you think, the numbers would not be increasing as the moral fabric of community decays, but since it is increasing it stands in contradiction to it being genetic.....Its a spiritual infliction
 
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Please keep the thread on topic and also remember that non-Baptists are permitted to post but only in fellowship, not to debate.

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ok. Where can I debate these things with christians?

For life-sciences and evolution there is this forum and it's sub forum -
Physical & Life Sciences - Christian Forums
Creation & Evolution - Christian Forums

Ethics/morality may be discussed here -
Ethics & Morality - Christian Forums

To ask questions where you are the only non-Christian asking Christians questions you can go here -
Exploring Christianity - Christian Forums

Depending on what you want to discuss there is the whole of the Outreach section -
Outreach - Christian Forums

and Society section -
Society - Christian Forums



Remember that each forum may have a few rules that relate to that specific subforum and also the site-wide rules that are binding to every forum.
 
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Yes but the choices that you can make, those have to come from somewhere, as god created everything! and these choices are included in everything. And besides, if god is omnipotent and knows the past and the future, how can free will exist? He knows what we are gonna do tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after that. So there cannot exist free will. He knows if we will turn to jesus or not.


Yes I have, and he said no.

Christ will not say no if you truly ask for salvation. He will forgive to the uttermost. Theirs nothing we can do to save us from hell except asking for Jesus Christ to come into our lives and forgive us of our sin.
 
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No we cannot agree to disagree. Because I am right and you are wrong. It's as simple as that.
Then it would appear that you are the dogmatic one, not me.

Could you do me a favor and please watch this video? It doesn't promote atheism or anything like that. It just explains the theory part of evolution

YouTube - What the "Theory" in Theory of Evolution means

I will watch it this week after my night shift work stretch.

What you fail to understand is that i know 100% that there is no god of the bible. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind.
And who gave you this knowledge? Now it would appear that you are the narrow-minded one as well as dogmatic. There is a great difference between "i know 100% that there is no god of the bible" and "I have absolutely no doubt in my mind".

In your dogmatism, you might find this interesting, a non-Christian source:
Existence of God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One comment stands out to in their article:
"Conclusions on the existence of God can be divided along numerous axes, producing a variety of orthogonal classifications. Theism and atheism are positions of belief (or lack of it), while gnosticism and agnosticism are positions of knowledge (or the lack of it)."

I would bet my life on it. I would bet everything in this world on it, that's how sure I am.
You are betting your life on it, your future life.

So if you think anything at all could rock me just a little bit, and make me think that it all might be true, then you are wrong.
Then please understand if I don't want to continue this discourse. It's not that I am here only to convince people of what I believe, but rather that I don't believe in wasting my time.

When you came here to the Baptist subforum, you said in essence that you were curious about religions people and wanted to see what made them tick (my paraphrase). The only way to understand people is if you do some listening as well as talking.

You haven't done much of that. When asked a challenging question, you often change the subject or when you can't answer it you spin a philosophical answer beating around the bush, rather than just admitting it is a good point and moving on.

I think you are afraid to listen, because there may be something that will challenge your doctrinal comfort box. Most of us to some extent build a philosophy-of-life comfort box around ourselves and anything that challenges that comfort box gets attacked, for it seems that it will take away our happiness or challenge us to change our lifestyle which we like.

You have judged yourself unworthy of eternal life, and for that I'm sad; but I do not believe in wasting my time. Time is precious, and if you've even listened a little bit to others posting on here, you are aware that there are people in need who are willing to listen.

I hope the day comes when you will no longer be a scoffer but a person who is willing to consider both sides objectively.

At any rate, have a good life. It's all you have if you continue this course.

"All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out." Jesus, (John 6:37)
 
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Yes, dinosaurs were on the ark. Most would have probably been killed off for food, game for humans, humans protecting themselves and the larger ones would have a lack for food. No, all KINDS, not species, were included. Which is what the Bible says.

My source is my fossil collection and God's word. That is all I need even though there are plenty of Ph. D. scientists that also would agree with me.
If you have dinosaur fossils, I'm surprised you're not in jail right now.


The thought of people living with dinosaurs is utterly laughable considering the fact that all dinosaurs have been dated back to before 65 million years ago.
 
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If you have dinosaur fossils, I'm surprised you're not in jail right now.


The thought of people living with dinosaurs is utterly laughable considering the fact that all dinosaurs have been dated back to before 65 million years ago.

People can legally own dinosaur fossils. I'm surprised you didn't know that. You can laugh at God's word but you won't be laughing when you are front of him during judgement day having to give an account for all you have said (and typed). God will set your "facts" straight sooner or later. Since you are a fan of Lady Gaga it is no surprise your discernment isn't that great. I pray that your eyes are opened.
 
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I'm not laughing at God's Word, I'm laughing at your faulty interpretation of it. Science has proven your beliefs wrong time and time again, so I understand if that's a bit hard to deal with. But, my eyes are plenty opened, and by reason no less. But thanks for your concern. ;)

BTW, how do you know exactly how old your dinosaur fossils are? Did you have them dated?
 
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If you have dinosaur fossils, I'm surprised you're not in jail right now.


The thought of people living with dinosaurs is utterly laughable considering the fact that all dinosaurs have been dated back to before 65 million years ago.

They might have but that is not what I’m saying. Carbon dating didn’t start until 1952 and they don’t know if it works.

Let’s suppose the Earth is that old. Time does not mean anything to God. One day is as a thousand years.

2PETER 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

At your age what you don't realize is the “theory” of evolution was made up in 1838. Less than 200 years ago.

When you get a little older you will see how short that time period is. People try to put full faith in something that will not get them to heaven.

Evan people thought the earth was flat all the way up to Columbus. Christ has remained a constant throughout time. You can believe the world or you can put your faith in Christ and ask for salvation.
 
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Sons of God = Angels or a being above man.

Morning stars = Angels

Watchers = Angels

Giants = The abominable hybrid fusion of humans and the sons of God.


Dinosaur: This new term was created in the 19th Century. The bible predates that word. In archaic terms, those abominations were only described, not given a name.


King James Version Bible


Daniel Chapter 4

13. I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;


Job Chapter 1

6. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.


Job Chapter 38

7. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


Luke Chapter 8

28. When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.


Daniel Chapter 3

25. He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the son of God.


1 John Chapter 3

2. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


Genesis Chapter 6

1. And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

4. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

11. The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

12. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

17. And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven; [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die.


Romans Chapter 3

10. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:


Genesis Chapter 6

9. These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God.


[How can Noah & his direct line be “perfect” after reading that verse? Noah and his direct line did not have sex with sons of God, nor their hybrids, nor were they fusion of the two different beings.]


[In summary, it’s possible that hybrids caused in imbalance in the food chain. Mostly likely the fallen angels augmented the natural animals we have today to sustain the giants.

[This could be a main reason why God hates witchcraft. For more details you would have to read the Books of Enoch, Jasher, and Jubilees. It’s not necessary to enquire about salvation but it could answer a lot of questions about “dinosaurs”.]


The Book of Enoch: Chapter 7

1. It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.

2. And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

10. Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.

11. And the women conceiving brought forth giants,

12. Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;

13. When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;

14. And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.


[began to injure = possible transformation]


The Book of Enoch: Chapter 8

9. And men, being destroyed, cried out; and their voice reached to heaven.


Book of Jasher Chapter 4

18. And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.

[corrupted its ways = possible transformation]

21. And Noah found grace in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord chose him and his children to raise up seed from them upon the face of the whole earth.


Book Jubilees Chapter 5

2. And lawlessness increased on the earth and all flesh corrupted its way, alike men and cattle and beasts and birds and everything that walks on the earth -all of them corrupted their ways and their orders, and they began to devour each other, and lawlessness increased on the earth and every imagination of the thoughts of all men (was) thus evil continually.


[corrupted their ways and their orders = possible transformation]

5. But Noah found grace before the eyes of the Lord.



The Book of Enoch: Chapter 10

1. Then the Most High, the Great and Holy One spoke,

11. All the sons of men shall not perish in consequence of every secret, by which the Watchers have destroyed, and which they have taught, their offspring.

12. All the earth has been CORRUPTED BY the effects of the TEACHINGS of Azazyel. To him therefore ascribe the whole crime.
 
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They might have but that is not what I’m saying. Carbon dating didn’t start until 1952 and they don’t know if it works.

Let’s suppose the Earth is that old. Time does not mean anything to God. One day is as a thousand years.

2PETER 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

At your age what you don't realize is the “theory” of evolution was made up in 1838. Less than 200 years ago.

When you get a little older you will see how short that time period is. People try to put full faith in something that will not get them to heaven.

Evan people thought the earth was flat all the way up to Columbus. Christ has remained a constant throughout time. You can believe the world or you can put your faith in Christ and ask for salvation.
First of all, I don't subscribe to the belief in evolution (not sure where you got that from). Secondly, radio carbon dating is a proven science that has remained constant.
 
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I'm not laughing at God's Word, I'm laughing at your faulty interpretation of it. Science has proven your beliefs wrong time and time again, so I understand if that's a bit hard to deal with. But, my eyes are plenty opened, and by reason no less. But thanks for your concern. ;)

BTW, how do you know exactly how old your dinosaur fossils are? Did you have them dated?
Interpret this:

Gen 1:5
"And there was evening and there was morning, one day."

Gen 1:8
And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

Gen 1:13
And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.

Gen 1:19
And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Gen 1:23
And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

Gen 1:31
And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


I can definitely see how you would interpret this as millions of years.


BTW, how do you interpret Matthew 16:21:

"From that time Jesus Christ began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day."

Is He still in the ground, waiting on a few million years?

I suppose that is a legitimate interpretation, in keeping with the rules some use in interpreting Genesis. :o

 
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I'm just wondering how incredible people were way back in time, they could draw and carve dinosaurs in rock and wood having never seen a dinosaur, other than the possible pile of bones sticking out of the mud......JUST INCREDIBLE!
Those aren't carvings. The rocks evolved that way. Haven't you been following this? :D
 
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