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Dinosaur footprints destroy flood geology.

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Yes these names were the ones who pushed forward, in these small circles, Huttons acceptance. Yet the first geologists were determined, even if some changed their mind, creationists with flood geology a part of it.
A few people were involved then and until modern times. It was hard to get paid to do geology until the present.
The years since has seen few competent researchers in these areas able to overcome their teachings as youths.
it is more substansive the opinions of so many people on the bible being the word of God and Genesis being true then the opinions of a few rock researchers relatively.
You brought up about questioning peoples competence.

Geology in its great conclusions does not employ the scientific method and so is just a study like history. Data and interpretation but no important testing.
it backed up by the fields organized authorities and not evidence in the field.
its not competent in its professionalism ultimately. Remembering its not doing true science but claiming too.

It doesn't show why rocks are not exactly what they are. Collected sediment,lava, by great collection events. No slow show needed.

The geologists here have not , too me, made good cases, or close, to the great conclusions of geology. We can always do as good or better in what was more likely the origin of this or that.
The merits of the case trump claims to authority in human discussion. Unless God is the authority.

We do have a chance here with several actual geologists to show the best proofs for geology confronting young earth claims.
We been over a few but they die out without persuasion on either side.
if rock formations really were to be seen as old then it should be the geologists here being aggresive in presenting facts or irefutable facts.
 
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Yes these names were the ones who pushed forward, in these small circles, Huttons acceptance. Yet the first geologists were determined, even if some changed their mind, creationists with flood geology a part of it.
A few people were involved then and until modern times. It was hard to get paid to do geology until the present.
The years since has seen few competent researchers in these areas able to overcome their teachings as youths.
it is more substansive the opinions of so many people on the bible being the word of God and Genesis being true then the opinions of a few rock researchers relatively.
You brought up about questioning peoples competence.

Genesis is true - but it is your interpretation that warps your view on genesis and on science.

There is a vast difference between a biblical interpretation and something being biblicaly true.

Geology in its great conclusions does not employ the scientific method and so is just a study like history. Data and interpretation but no important testing.
it backed up by the fields organized authorities and not evidence in the field.
its not competent in its professionalism ultimately. Remembering its not doing true science but claiming too.

This is absurd. To claim such is to proclaim your ignorance. Geology is absolutely jam packed with data collection, experimentation, the whole nine yards of scientific endeavour.

Everything from commodity exploration, to mining, to rock mechanics, to planetary study - it is a vast subject.

It doesn't show why rocks are not exactly what they are.
This does no make sense.
Collected sediment,lava, by great collection events. No slow show needed.
Fundamentally wrong. No data to evidence a global flood - none whatsoever.

Until you can provide peer reviewed published data.......

The geologists here have not , too me, made good cases, or close, to the great conclusions of geology. We can always do as good or better in what was more likely the origin of this or that.

Thankfully your geologic opinion is not important. The data show that you are wrong. Nothing more needs to be said.

The merits of the case trump claims to authority in human discussion. Unless God is the authority.

You have provided no merit worthy data to evidence your claim. You have argued without evidential support.

It is ironic that each time I have requested evidence, you have ignored me....a most telling point.

We do have a chance here with several actual geologists to show the best proofs for geology confronting young earth claims.
We been over a few but they die out without persuasion on either side.
if rock formations really were to be seen as old then it should be the geologists here being aggresive in presenting facts or irefutable facts.
The facts have been presented. But it is you who makes the claim of a young earth, thus the burden of proof is upon you.

Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence. But, in this case, I would be willing to accept bog-standard peer reviewed published data :)

Unless, of course, you conveniently ignore me again.....

Do you understand what science is? Have you any concept of how science works? Do you even care?
 
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Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence. But, in this case, I would be willing to accept bog-standard peer reviewed published data :)

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Does the Bible count as bog-standard peer reviewed published data?

Do you understand what science is?

True science is the observation and reporting of God's handiwork.

Have you any concept of how science works?

I'll take a guess:

Paradigm creation → paradigm testing → paradigm acceptance/rejection.

Do you even care?

No.
 
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Does the Bible count as bog-standard peer reviewed published data?

Hey AV! It's good to hear from you. Hope you are well.

The bible is not a book of science. It is a book of religion.

True science is the observation and reporting of God's handiwork.

Which is what science does. But, because it doesn't fit with your biblical interpretation does not mean it is incorrect. It is entirely possible, and highly probably, that your biblical interpretation is wrong because your biblical interpretation is refuted by God's actual creation.

I'll take a guess:

Paradigm creation → paradigm testing → paradigm acceptance/rejection.

Nope, try again.

I already knew that you care not for science. Until, of course, you need medical treatment, want to use the computer, or any other technologically advanced piece of equipment or methodology......
 
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Does the Bible count as bog-standard peer reviewed published data?
Nope. The observations of bronze age men trying to understand their place in the world and their thoughts on God do not could as peer reviewed, published data.

True science is the observation and reporting of God's handiwork.

That's reasonable enough. So why choose to ignore God's handiwork when it conflicts with the words of men who haven't studied it fully?
 
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Hey AV! It's good to hear from you. Hope you are well.

Thank you, Molal, you too! :)

The bible is not a book of science. It is a book of religion.

Which did God give us? And which came first? The writings of science, or the Writings of religion?

Which is what science does. But, because it doesn't fit with your biblical interpretation does not mean it is incorrect.

Unless "my" Biblical interpretation is the correct one.

It is entirely possible, and highly probably, that your biblical interpretation is wrong because your biblical interpretation is refuted by God's actual creation.

No, it's not. God's actual Creation has undergone extensive decay. That's like looking at a rotten apple and saying it came from a tree that produces only rotten apples.

Nope, try again.

I'll pass --- that taxed my brain just trying to come up with it - (it really did).

I already knew that you care not for science.

Why should I? I wasn't put here to be a scientist.

Until, of course, you need medical treatment, want to use the computer, or any other technologically advanced piece of equipment or methodology......

Ya --- and when I want to go on a cruise, I don't need to know Maritime Law or Oceanography, either.

If I need an x-ray, should I tell the clerk, excuse me, but I don't understand Roëntgens yet. I'll come back after I take an introductory course.

When you need to get married, should we insist you know Ontological Subordination or Vivification first?
 
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Which did God give us?
If God exists, he gave us the power of reasoning. Which means science was given to us by God, if he exists. The bible I'm not sure about.

And which came first?
The writings of science, or the Writings of religion?
Galileo is considered the first to practice modern science. He published his work on a heliocentric solar system in 1610. The bible you accept is from 1611. Science wins.
Difference is that we have continued to update science, while apparantly nobody has taken it upon himself to update the bible to current knowledge. Maybe it's time someone did that?
 
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If God exists, he gave us the power of reasoning. Which means science was given to us by God, if he exists. The bible I'm not sure about.


Galileo is considered the first to practice modern science. He published his work on a heliocentric solar system in 1610. The bible you accept is from 1611. Science wins.
Difference is that we have continued to update science, while apparantly nobody has taken it upon himself to update the bible to current knowledge. Maybe it's time someone did that?

Okay, thanks --- [rolls eyes].
 
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Which did God give us? And which came first? The writings of science, or the Writings of religion?

Assuming that God gave us anything, he gave us his creation. Men wrote about religion to try and understand about that creation. Later the realised that science was a better way of studying the creation.

Unless "my" Biblical interpretation is the correct one.

But what reason do we have to assume that? You end up raising the words of men about God's creation.

No, it's not. God's actual Creation has undergone extensive decay. That's like looking at a rotten apple and saying it came from a tree that produces only rotten apples.
No scienctist would ever make a statement like that.

Ya --- and when I want to go on a cruise, I don't need to know Maritime Law or Oceanography, either.

If I need an x-ray, should I tell the clerk, excuse me, but I don't understand Roëntgens yet. I'll come back after I take an introductory course.

But you trust the captain to sail his ship. You don't tell him rudders can take a hike, do you? Similarly I'd hope you wouldn't tell a doctor x-rays can take a hike if you need one.
 
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Thank you, Molal, you too! :)

You're cool.



Which did God give us? And which came first? The writings of science, or the Writings of religion?

The writings of religion...but this doesn't mean anything. God had a reason for providing us with a genesis account - it wasn't that he wanted to tell us how he created the universe and earth. If that was His intention, then many details are lacking......

This website provides great information on the reason behind Genesis:

http://www.itanakh.org/texts/tanakh/torah/genesis/index.htm

It is not as simple as reading and understanding....


Unless "my" Biblical interpretation is the correct one.

How do you know?

No, it's not. God's actual Creation has undergone extensive decay. That's like looking at a rotten apple and saying it came from a tree that produces only rotten apples.

Clearly that is faulty reasoning. A rotting apple does not mean a tree produces rotting apples.....

I'll pass --- that taxed my brain just trying to come up with it - (it really did).

ok.

Why should I? I wasn't put here to be a scientist.

But many of us are......We all have functions in the body of Christ.

Ya --- and when I want to go on a cruise, I don't need to know Maritime Law or Oceanography, either.

If I need an x-ray, should I tell the clerk, excuse me, but I don't understand Roëntgens yet. I'll come back after I take an introductory course.

But my ignorance does not remove that fact that science helped create all these things. Just because you or I don't know, doesn't lessen the argument. The fact that these things exist because the scientific methodology made a discovery - is a testament to it's efficacy.

When you need to get married, should we insist you know Ontological Subordination or Vivification first?
Do you hold that Christ is subordinate to God? And why, pray tell, would not need to know how to bring life during marriage - or are you discussing the Mantle of Vivification from the World of Warcraft (which I don't play, by the way)?
 
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But you trust the captain to sail his ship. You don't tell him rudders can take a hike, do you?

If I gave a lecture on the Creation on his ship, or if he have a testimony of his ship in our pulpit, that's one thing. But if I was on his ship and told his rudders to take a hike, or he was in our pulpit telling God to take a hike, that's different.

What ship are you on?

Hebrews 2:10 said:
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
 
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More dino foot prints in so called flood deposits.

I thought you guys swear there was no Flood? (Despite the fact that Noah was aboard the Ark for over a year.)
 
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If I gave a lecture on the Creation on his ship, or if he have a testimony of his ship in our pulpit, that's one thing. But if I was on his ship and told his rudders to take a hike, or he was in our pulpit telling God to take a hike, that's different.

What ship are you on?

I'm not on a ship, I'm at my desk.

Ahem.

But surely for your analogy above to be correct, scientists would have to be telling God to take a hike. Scientists don't do this as part of their work, adn very few are outspoken about God at all.
 
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I thought you guys swear there was no Flood? (Despite the fact that Noah was aboard the Ark for over a year.)


More fossil root casts in so called flood deposits.

rootzones.jpg

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Creationist position is untenable without ignorance and indoctrination
 
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But surely for your analogy above to be correct, scientists would have to be telling God to take a hike. Scientists don't do this as part of their work...

They do when God gets in their way.
 
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