Dinosaur footprints destroy flood geology.

[Chalnoth]

And science is unanimous?

On issues considered settled, pretty much. There are always a few wackos, of course, but most are reticent to call them competent scientists. It's only in the frontiers of science that there is disagreement, because the evidence is not yet in.

 

[Nathan Poe]

And there is in science?

Sure -- put it to the test.

If it passes the test -- test it again.

If some new way of testing it is invented -- use it to test it.

Repeat ad infinitum. If it fails any test -- it's false.

 

[AV1611VET]

Both, AV -- surely you know that by now.

By espousing a specific BEGINNING of life, you must necessarily have a certain HISTORY that flows from it -- one that necessarily needs to be shoehorned into a 6,100 year time frame.

So Creationists need to concoct such gibberish as "Embedded Age," "The Global Flood" with "Water Vapor Canopies," and "hyper-macroevolution" in order to attempt to fit it all together.

Meaning, that Creationism does indeed deal with -- that is to say, shamlessly mutilate -- the HISTORY of life.

You're mixing theology with junk science. You say we "shoehorn" --- I say you "balloon".

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure -- put it to the test.

If it passes the test -- test it again.

If some new way of testing it is invented -- use it to test it.

Repeat ad infinitum. If it fails any test -- it's false.

So you acknowledge that there is truth?

 

[Nathan Poe]

You're mixing theology with junk science.

Hard not to do when Creationists use both interchangably.

You say we "shoehorn" --- I say you "balloon".

An ironic term, considering the creationist fetish for hot air.

 

[Nathan Poe]

So you acknowledge that there is truth?

Insofar as something can conform to reality, yes.

Seeing as how you have often told reality to "take a hike," I'm surpirsed you can acknowledge truth.

 

[thaumaturgy]

And science is unanimous?

At least scientists can test an hypothesis.

 

[thaumaturgy]

So you acknowledge that there is truth?

Hasn't anyone explained this to you yet? Sorry if you missed the posts:

Scientists assume there is truth somewhere out there. We are limited in our ability to not just "FIND" this truth, but more importantly we will never know with absolute certainty that it is absolute truth.

Do you understand that? This is very important so I'll ask you to read that again.

We assume that there can be truth out there, but we know we are flawed imperfect beings who cannot see all of eternity at all points in space. Therefore we will never know with absolute certainty if what we find is absolute truth.

In statistics this is the difference between a sample and the population.

The population has a TRUE MEAN, but if we can only sample it we can only estimate the mean.

Poe mentions repeated testing. Do you know why? Because usually with more testing you get more "certainty" around the actual true answer. But you can never know the true answer with absolute certainty unless you can test it forever and under all conditions.

We might stumble onto the "Truth" but we will never know it is the absolute Truth with 100% assurity. It is our limitation, not the limitation of reality.

Clear now?

 

[Tomk80]

In other words, we believe there is a truth, even an absolute Truth with a capital T. But we are not so arrogant, nor so ignorant, to assume that we know this Truth with 100% certainty. This makes us humble and cautious, putting everything we think is true to the test. This way, we can come up with ideas that are, if not the Truth, at least a very good approximation of it.

Certain people, and I will not mention any names here, are arrogant, ignorant idiots. They not only think there is a Truth, but they are absolutely sure that they possess it. Because they do, they do not test their views against reality. And every time someone will point out to them that they are wrong, their arrogance comes in the way and they have to ignore that they are wrong. Then, they make up very idiotic ideas so they never have to confront reality. They say they worship all kinds of things, God, the bible, Jesus, Allah, but in fact the only thing they really worship is themselves. and their own idolatry.

 

[AV1611VET]

Let's get back on track ---

 

[thaumaturgy]

Let's get back on track ---

Excellent idea. Because you thought you were going to get some quick point against scientists' belief in "Truth". Turns out we actually know what we are talking about. Perhaps you weren't expecting that.

So indeed, let's get back on "track". What does your little illustration of "Casts and Molds" say to you?

You do understand what it shows, right? This is not a mystery to you. Do you have a point you'd like to make about casts and molds in paleontology? This is a topic in paleontology called ichnofossils.

 

[AV1611VET]

So indeed, let's get back on "track". What does your little illustration of "Casts and Molds" say to you?

Simply this:

a. A dinosaur is running towards higher ground.
b. He leaves footprints behind.
c. A worldwide flood inserts sediments into the track.
d. God cleans up the mess.
e. Tracks are left behind, possibly as a testimony.
f. A reminder of what was once there, but is now gone.
​

 

[Nathan Poe]

Simply this:

a. A dinosaur is running towards higher ground.
b. He leaves footprints behind.
c. A worldwide flood inserts sediments into the track.
d. God cleans up the mess.
e. Tracks are left behind, possibly as a testimony.
f. A reminder of what was once there, but is now gone.
​

So, you're putting the Hand of God in at illustration D? Interesting -- most bad storytellers reserve their Deus ex Machina for the very end, once they're completely out of ideas for a coherent resolution.

Looks like you got to that point that much sooner to have God as your janitor.

 

[Split Rock]

Simply this:

a. A dinosaur is running towards higher ground.
b. He leaves footprints behind.
c. A worldwide flood inserts sediments into the track.
d. God cleans up the mess.
e. Tracks are left behind, possibly as a testimony.
f. A reminder of what was once there, but is now gone.
​

Too bad we are not talking here about one layer with footprints in it. So how many times between sedimentary layers did your God "clean up the mess?" 10? 20? 100? more?

 

[Assyrian]

Simply this:

a. A dinosaur is running towards higher ground.
b. He leaves footprints behind.
c. A worldwide flood inserts sediments into the track.
d. God cleans up the mess.
e. Tracks are left behind, possibly as a testimony.
f. A reminder of what was once there, but is now gone.
​

If tracks are supposed to tell us what was once there, what is it about the track that says the dinosaur was heading towards higher ground? What tell you it was the sediment that filled the track came from a worldwide flood? What mess is there to be cleaned up? The muddy footprints are buried in sedimentary rock.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Simply this:

a. A dinosaur is running towards higher ground.
b. He leaves footprints behind.
c. A worldwide flood inserts sediments into the track.
d. God cleans up the mess.
e. Tracks are left behind, possibly as a testimony.
f. A reminder of what was once there, but is now gone.
​

Again this is showing ignorance to the evidence, many of the foot prints, like mud cracks are dependant of the ground being baked hard before more sediment is deposited on top, also creationists will have us believe that these Mesozoic sediments were deposited by the flood, of course this is impossible if dinosaurs and other creatures are walking on them before the flood has reached them.

There was no flood; there is no evidence for the global magical mystical biblical flood. Even the pseudo-scientific creationists that produced the RATE project could not find a single piece of evidence to support the magical mystical biblical flood.

Eubrontes footprint with mud cracks. You are looking at the underside of the overlying massive fine sandstone unit that covered the tracks, producing casts of the positive prints on the underlying mudstone.

LINK

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Simply this:

a. A dinosaur is running towards higher ground.
b. He leaves footprints behind.
c. A worldwide flood inserts sediments into the track.
d. God cleans up the mess.
e. Tracks are left behind, possibly as a testimony.
f. A reminder of what was once there, but is now gone.
​

Double post, sorry

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Simply this:

a. A dinosaur is running towards higher ground.
b. He leaves footprints behind.
c. A worldwide flood inserts sediments into the track.
d. God cleans up the mess.
e. Tracks are left behind, possibly as a testimony.
f. A reminder of what was once there, but is now gone.
​

Double post, sorry



http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?i...aur+footprints+and+mud+cracks&um=1&hl=en&sa=N

 

[Tomk80]

sudo-scientific

I take it you mean pseudo-scientific?

It begins to irk me.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

I take it you mean pseudo-scientific?

It begins to irk me.

Yes, sorry about that