Yeah but they don't even agree on what that means. They really don't.
There's no solidarity amongst any of them, us, whatever.
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Yeah but they don't even agree on what that means. They really don't.
There's no solidarity amongst any of them, us, whatever.
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The concept of God in Islam is logical while the concept of God in Christianity is not.
It's not logical for God to sacrifice something or someone because sacrifice means losing something. What did God actually loses? He owns everything because He creates and maintains everything.
If Jesus is God, where was Jesus before he was begotten?
Islam is all about logic.
Quran : The Sincerety : 112:1-4,
Say, "He is God , the one and only,-
God , the Eternally Absolute,
He neither begets nor is begotten,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
It's not logical for God to sacrifice something or someone because sacrifice means losing something. What did God actually loses? He owns everything because He creates and maintains everything.
If Jesus is God, where was Jesus before he was begotten?
Islam is all about logic.
Quran : The Sincerety : 112:1-4,
Say, "He is God , the one and only,-
God , the Eternally Absolute,
He neither begets nor is begotten,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
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Islam gave women the right to choose their own marriage partner, gave them the right be divorced from a loveless, neglectful or abusive marriage and the right to receive alimony, something denied to Christian women, until they copied it from Islam.
Quran, 4:19 O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good.
Quran 4:128 If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar: "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Consult women about (the marriage of) their daughters. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2090)"
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: "A virgin came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) allowed her to exercise her choice. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2091)"
Hadith Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 67: Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O God's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."
Hadith Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 68:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I said, "O God's Apostle! A virgin feels shy." He said, "Her consent is (expressed by) her silence."
Hadith Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 69:
Narrated Khansa bint Khidam Al-Ansariya:
that her father gave her in marriage when she was a matron and she disliked that marriage. So she went to God's Apostle and he declared that marriage invalid.
Quran 2.241 For divorced women Maintenance (should be provided) on a reasonable (scale). This is a duty on the righteous.
Quran, 4:19 O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good.
Quran 4:128 If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar: "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Consult women about (the marriage of) their daughters. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2090)"
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: "A virgin came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) allowed her to exercise her choice. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2091)"
Hadith Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 67: Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O God's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."
Hadith Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 68:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I said, "O God's Apostle! A virgin feels shy." He said, "Her consent is (expressed by) her silence."
Hadith Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 69:
Narrated Khansa bint Khidam Al-Ansariya:
that her father gave her in marriage when she was a matron and she disliked that marriage. So she went to God's Apostle and he declared that marriage invalid.
Quran 2.241 For divorced women Maintenance (should be provided) on a reasonable (scale). This is a duty on the righteous.
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Gender Inequality in Islam
Before Marriage
To get married, a Muslim man must give dowry to his future wife. The bride-to-be does not have to give him anything.
Quran 4:4 And give the women (on marriage) their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, Take it and enjoy it with right good cheer.
During Marriage
During marriage, the husband must support his family. If he is able but doesn't give any money for the needs of the family, he sins. It's different on the part of the wife. She does not have to give any financial support. Even if she can but does not, she won't sin.
Quran 4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what God would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, great (above you all).
Quran, 4:19 O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good.
Quran, 4:20-21 But if ye decide to take one wife in place of another, Even if ye had given the latter a whole treasure from dower, take not the least bit of it back; Would ye take it by slander and a manifest wrong? And how could ye take it when ye have gone in unto each other, and they have taken from you a solemn covenant?
After Marriage
If they are divorced, the ex-husband would STILL have to support his ex-wife. It's still would be basically the same as they were married, except, no sex. The ex-wife does not have to give him anything. The ex-husband that does not pay alimony is going against the command of God.
Quran 2.241 For divorced women Maintenance (should be provided) on a reasonable (scale). This is a duty on the righteous.
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Before Marriage
To get married, a Muslim man must give dowry to his future wife. The bride-to-be does not have to give him anything.
Quran 4:4 And give the women (on marriage) their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, Take it and enjoy it with right good cheer.
During Marriage
During marriage, the husband must support his family. If he is able but doesn't give any money for the needs of the family, he sins. It's different on the part of the wife. She does not have to give any financial support. Even if she can but does not, she won't sin.
Quran 4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what God would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, great (above you all).
Quran, 4:19 O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good.
Quran, 4:20-21 But if ye decide to take one wife in place of another, Even if ye had given the latter a whole treasure from dower, take not the least bit of it back; Would ye take it by slander and a manifest wrong? And how could ye take it when ye have gone in unto each other, and they have taken from you a solemn covenant?
After Marriage
If they are divorced, the ex-husband would STILL have to support his ex-wife. It's still would be basically the same as they were married, except, no sex. The ex-wife does not have to give him anything. The ex-husband that does not pay alimony is going against the command of God.
Quran 2.241 For divorced women Maintenance (should be provided) on a reasonable (scale). This is a duty on the righteous.
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So what about the marriages of super young girls and abuse I keep hearing about in the news? That's immensely disurbing when Islam is often used as the justification for such things.
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Obviously, it's not Islamic. Determination of womens' marriage partner is an absolute choice for the women. It's all black and white in our scripture. It occurs in some Muslim societies but it is not the norm. Forced marriages are sinful and without blessing. We have the Quran and the Hadith to prove it.
It's tribal justification and not Islamic. They are ignorant of the command of God and His Prophet.
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Because having a 50 something years old man marry a 6 year old and having sex with her at 9 is part of islamist logic.
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For you and your islamist majority country it should be 6 so that you can emulate your islamist prophet.
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If I say that lions have stripes and you say that I'm wrong, it implies that you have a correct description of lions, isn't that right?
You were saying what the Prophet Muhammad did was wrong so I assume you must have an age number in your mind. Otherwise you would have not brought up the matter.
So what is the age number? If he married a 15 year old, would you still say it's wrong, What if he married an 18 year old? Would you criticize him for that? How about a 24 year old? Is that still too young?
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Which wife? As for the post above I was just recommending a age for your kind of people. Different people have different needs.
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I am not a lawyer so I do not make the rules so don't ask me. Why don't you ask CAIR and their army of lawyer jihadists?
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Truthfully the only thing the Catholic Church did was recognize Scripture that had already been recognized centuries earlier.
More specifically Jesus mentions the Books of the Old Testament that he considers Scripture - He read from them, taught from them, referenced them in some way.
If you were to read New Testament Apocrypha or spurious gospels you would see that they are written too late after the fact, we have no clue who the author is, not mentioned by the students of the Apostles like Polycarp and Papias, talk about mythological creatures, etc.
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