Difference between Eastern and Western Orthodox

[AMM]

Yes...false alarm,,,but it's good to check it out.
God bless us all.

Better safe than sorry! Glad all is okay, and may the Lord have mercy on us all!

 

[James A]

Eastern Orthodox.
From about the 4th century onward, the Church was headed by five patriachates in Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople and Rome. Around the 11th century, Rome separated and became what is now the Catholic Church. The remaining patriarchates are what is known as the Eastern Orthodox Church

Same as every other Eastern Orthodox Church

What about Oriental Orthodox?

Oriental Orthodox Churches - Wikipedia

 

[prodromos]

What about Oriental Orthodox?

Oriental Orthodox Churches - Wikipedia

I was responding to a question about the Antiochian Church attended by an Eastern Orthodox member. To the best of my knowledge, none of the Oriental Orthodox communion identify as Antiochian. They identify as Syriac.

I understand how you feel though. Eastern Orthodoxy often gets passed over in discussions of Church history among Western Christians, so you guys tend to fall even further under the radar.

 

[GodsGrace101]

What about Oriental Orthodox?

Oriental Orthodox Churches - Wikipedia

What would be the difference between YOUR Christology and that of the other Orthodox churches?

 

[James A]

What would be the difference between YOUR Christology and that of the other Orthodox churches?

Oriental Orthodox church teaches the doctrine of the single nature of Christ - Miaphysitism - Wikipedia

 

[ArmyMatt]

Oriental Orthodox church teaches the doctrine of the single nature of Christ - Miaphysitism - Wikipedia

yes, but we also affirm miaphysitism (the 5th Council flat out says it's true). and monophysites and apollinarians also affirm the single nature of Christ, but in a heretical way that we both reject.

 

[GodsGrace101]

What about Oriental Orthodox?

Oriental Orthodox Churches - Wikipedia

I didn't understand your post no. 85 since I had never heard of this.

So I read the link to Wikepedia.
As far as I can understand, it states that Jesus has TWO natures,,,,not one.

He is 100% God and 100% human.
I know this as the hypostatic union.

To me it sounded like you wee saying Jesus has only ONE nature.

Could you explain it any better?

 

[GodsGrace101]

yes, but we also affirm miaphysitism (the 5th Council flat out says it's true). and monophysites and apollinarians also affirm the single nature of Christ, but in a heretical way that we both reject.

My understanding of the heretical way of understanding Jesus' nature is that He is EITHER:
ALL GOD or
ALL HUMAN

either one is heretical.

I understand the hypostatic union....
100% for both divine and human.
Is this in agreement with the Orthodox churches?

 

[ArmyMatt]

My understanding of the heretical way of understanding Jesus' nature is that He is EITHER:
ALL GOD or
ALL HUMAN

either one is heretical.

I understand the hypostatic union....
100% for both divine and human.
Is this in agreement with the Orthodox churches?

100% Divine and 100% human without separation, division, confusion, or change. out of this union there is a single Christ and Son.

 

[James A]

I didn't understand your post no. 85 since I had never heard of this.

So I read the link to Wikepedia.
As far as I can understand, it states that Jesus has TWO natures,,,,not one.

He is 100% God and 100% human.
I know this as the hypostatic union.

To me it sounded like you wee saying Jesus has only ONE nature.

Could you explain it any better?

Nicene creed says Father and Son are of same nature so, arguing that Son has two nature is a blatant rejection of Creed.

Christ is 100% human and 100% God ( in one single nature) and how this exists is a mystery.

 

[James A]

yes, but we also affirm miaphysitism (the 5th Council flat out says it's true). and monophysites and apollinarians also affirm the single nature of Christ, but in a heretical way that we both reject.

I though t Eastern Orthodox teaches Dyophysitism - Wikipedia

 

[ArmyMatt]

Nicene creed says Father and Son are of same nature so, arguing that Son has two nature is a blatant rejection of Creed.

Christ is 100% human and 100% God ( in one single nature) and how this exists is a mystery.

St Cyril of Alexandria would disagree with you, as does the Creed which also says He became man.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I though t Eastern Orthodox teaches Dyophysitism - Wikipedia

we're not strict diophysites. plus, physis is a broader term than hypostasis or ousia. you need to read what else we said during and after Chalcedon. it depends on how you define physis.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Nicene creed says Father and Son are of same nature so, arguing that Son has two nature is a blatant rejection of Creed.

Christ is 100% human and 100% God ( in one single nature) and how this exists is a mystery.

But it's two natures in one person. How could saying Jesus has two natures is a blatant lie?
Was He a human being?
Was He divine,,,the Word made flesh?

That would be two natures.

 

[James A]

St Cyril of Alexandria would disagree with you, as does the Creed which also says He became man.

Incarnation of Son as complete human being is what New Covenant is built on. I don't see anything in my previous post denies this. What I an trying to state is this, it is mystery "how" the divine and human properties co-exits in one single nature.

St. Cyril is one of the most respected Fathers of OOC

 

[James A]

we're not strict diophysites. plus, physis is a broader term than hypostasis or ousia. you need to read what else we said during and after Chalcedon. it depends on how you define physis.

It is news to me that EO is not strictly Dyophystic. Will do more reading on it. Do you by any chance have something on this subject except Wikipedia? Thanks.

 

[James A]

St Cyril of Alexandria would disagree with you, as does the Creed which also says He became man.

Creed says Father and Son are consubstantial so, have the same nature.

 

[dzheremi]

<---- Western Orthodox

Eastern Orthodox ---->

Seems pretty obvious to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edit:

Since I see we have a friend here...

Oriental Orthodox --------------------------------------->

 

[ArmyMatt]

It is news to me that EO is not strictly Dyophystic. Will do more reading on it. Do you by any chance have something on this subject except Wikipedia? Thanks.

the 5th Council, the henotikon of Justin II, the Fount of Wisdom by St John of Damascus, our hymns, etc.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Creed says Father and Son are consubstantial so, have the same nature.

it doesn't say that about the Spirit though, so by that logic the Spirit isn't consubstantial with the Father and the Son.

plus, again, the Creed says He became Incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and was made man.