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Difference between Church and Synagogue

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P.S. Looking over your post again... Psalm 119 Ministries, and other places to be found on the net, deal with just about every Jewish objection to Yahushuah being the Messiah. Really, though, no argument matters, in the long run, unless you have encountered Him personally and turned to Him for a new life. When you meet Him, you know Who He is. All the questions, all the doubts, well you can learn and deal with them over time, and you will have patience to do that if you really know Him.
 
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Speaking of messianic jews, are they regarded as Christians who simply wish to retain the jewish traditions, etc., or are just normal jews who are aware of who the messiah is?

The concept is very confusing me; because Judaism claims Jesus didnt have what it takes to be the awaited messiah, so you cant consider yourself a jew if you accept him as a messiah. scriptures described this somewhere...

I do not think that there is any Jew who thinks that when the Messiah comes that he will start his own religion, but rather as the Messiah of Judaism he will bring fullness to it. In Acts 21:20, it records that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith in Jesus as their Messiah, so there were many Jews who thought that Jesus met the requirements for being the Messiah, but many other Jews did not think he met those requirements and regarded him as a false Messiah. The Jews who rejected Jesus as their Messiah considered those who followed him to be giving up their Jewishness and following a different religion, but the Jews who followed him did not consider themselves to be doing that. So Messianic Judaism is composed of both Jews who recognize Jesus as their Messiah and Gentiles who recognize and embrace the Jewish roots of our faith. There are Jews who are still waiting for their Messiah to come, but the issue is: what if he already came and they didn't recognize him?

According to Daniel 9:24-27, it the Messiah was prophesied to come and be cut off before the destruction of the Second Temple, which happened in 70 AD, which I think means that Jews who are still waiting for him to come missed him. In Isaiah 53, it prophesies that the Messiah would be despised and rejected. I recommend this video:

 
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Despite what LoricaLady has said, Messianic Jews refers to Jewish believers in Christ. It does not apply to gentile Christians. Within the messianic community there are just as many approaches to God as there are among gentile Christians. Some prefer the Judaic traditions, some have nothing to do with those traditions. Some embrace high church traditions, others gravitate to Pentecostal streams. I am a gentile who was led to Christ by a Messianic Jew and he was part of the Assemblies of God.
Uh, 'scuze me, but I've been in this movement for years. All you have to do is search on line for Messianic teachers, like Brad Scott, Bill Cloud, and see that they are NOT Jewish. You are defining "Messianic" the way you prefer, but that's not based on the data.
 
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Fifty days following Passover, the ancient Jewish lectionary called for the Feast of Pentecost. This feast remembered Moses at Mount Sinai and celebrated the wonder and virtues of the Torah. This celebration took the form of a vigil. The day was broken into eight segments of three hours each and, just like a vigil in a modern Christian church, the congregation would divide themselves up in such a way that there was always a group in the synagogue for each of the eight portions of the vigil. The principle reading was Psalm 119.


At 176 verses, this is by far the longest of the psalms. It is broken into 22 stanzas each marked by a letter of the Hebrew alphabet. The first stanza, Aleph, was the meditation for the first segment of the vigil. The entire congregation was probably present at this point and a full worship service was likely held. The remaining 21 stanzas were broken into seven groups of three each, one group for each of the remaining seven portions of the vigil. The second portion of the vigil, for example, would meditate on stanzas Beth, Gimel and Daleth. The remarkable organization of the psalm strongly suggests that it was written specifically for use in the vigil. There are other clues to that as well, for example: verse 62: "At midnight I rise to praise thee." and verse 147: "I rise before dawn and cry for help." and a number of other similar verses as well.


Let us now investigate how the Christian scribe, Matthew, used the midrashic technique to introduce Jesus into this Jewish feast of Pentecost. As mentioned earlier, Pentecost honored Moses and the Law received on Mount Sinai. Matthew portrayed Jesus as the new Moses delivering a new law on a new mountain. I refer of course to the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5:17-29). The sermon is organized to fit the vigil format that we've already examined. The Sermon begins with an octave of eight blessings or beatitudes, and in typical Jewish literary style, the eight blessings are bracketed by making the first and the last reward identical. Thus both "the poor in spirit" and those "persecuted for righteousness sake" are promised the Kingdom of God. The remainder of the Sermon is divided into eight sections, each of which is an exposition of one of the beatitudes. Again in typical Jewish literary style, the last beatitude is explained first and so on working backward through the list. It also goes, almost without saying, that these eight expositions on the new Law of Jesus fit perfectly into the eight portions of the vigil of Pentecost.


What does this tell us about the Sermon on the Mount? Was it an actual historical event in the life of Jesus? There is of course a remote possibility that it actually was. However, in light of the very artificial arrangement of the Sermon to fit neatly into the Feast of Pentecost, I would suggest that there was no one event in the ministry of Jesus that could be classified as the Sermon on the Mount. Should we therefore throw it out as unhistorical? NEVER! What is important here is not whether the Sermon on the Mount was an historical event but that the content of the Sermon reflects the authentic teaching of Jesus. The fact that this teaching was probably done over a period of time in many different teaching situations is not nearly as important as the basic truth of these teachings. To put it a different way, the authority of scripture does not rely upon the details of its historicity but rather upon its ability to instruct us spiritually and point us in the direction of God.
 
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So, I am a relatively new Christian from a Jewish background. I started conversion about a year and a half ago and I'm doing fine in generally, but I didn't have much time throughout to go to a church much. I grew up near Jerusalem and there aren't many Churches here, but there are about one or two near my neighbourhood for the present small Christian community.

There are Churches all over the Middle East, including in Israel and Jerusalem. At least, that is what I have been told by people who know. Look for an Orthodox Church, or some flavor of Greek Catholic Church.
 
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Hi everyone, sorry to bother you. I hope you don't mind if I ask another question.

So, I am a relatively new Christian from a Jewish background. I started conversion about a year and a half ago and I'm doing fine in generally, but I didn't have much time throughout to go to a church much. I grew up near Jerusalem and there aren't many Churches here, but there are about one or two near my neighbourhood for the present small Christian community.

I was hoping to find out what is the difference between the two. As I understand, both are meant for prayer; but, is a Church is for other purposes as well other than prayer? What else does people go to a church for, etc.? I have only been to a church twice in the past year and half, and all I did was participate in the main praying stage, but I had no idea what it's all about and what else does people do inside.

Pools, What is Church for? Is it to hear Gospel music, is it to make friends with one another, to hear the Gospel / teachings of the Church, etc... all of this is good but what is Church For? The Eucharist! The Eucharist, IS the center Piece / Focus for Us to Eat and Drink the Lords Body and Blood in the Eucharist, literally! Per Our Lords own Words from His Own Mouth, literally!

The Church founded on Rock is the continuation of the Synagogue, the Lord did not come to destroy the Law and the Prophets, but to fulfill It. As the Tempel Synagogue had the Chair of Moses so to the Church founded Rock has the Chair of Peter, again, the continuation is seen. As the Chair of the Old Testament was there to guide the Jews, so to the Chair of the New Testament is to guide the Christian Church founded on Rock.

In the Old Testament during the Passover the Jews ate the Lamb a pre figure of Christ and It's blood of the Lamb they sprinkled on the door Post. Now the Fulfillment is the Eucharist, where the Lamb is Jesus Christ Himself, that we MUST Eat and His Blood we MUST Drink, Our Lords own Words and of His One Church.

Pools, find the Church in your location that offers the above, then you will find the Church that Offers the Body and Blood of Christ, The Most Holy Eucharist, this Should be the Center Piece / Focus of All who call themselves Christians. Amen
 
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Thanks mates. So from what I understand, you just come to pray in the church then go back home?

Anyone know if there's a specific day in the week? Or it is a daily thing, they come to pray everyday have lectures, etc.?

Are there speeches or lectures by a pastor or priest as well, etc.?

I heard of churches you can only come on Sundays, and all the other days of the week the church is closed, except for singing, wonder if that's true.
In the U.S.A church services are typically on Sunday. Some churches have Saturday night services, Wednesday night services, prayer breakfasts and Bible studies. The Catholic Church has Mass during different days and times. There may be singing, praise, praying, Bible reading, testimonials about what God has done for people, sermons/homilies, and church business announcements. There were sometimes concerts, church picnics, youth group activities, married couple groups, single groups, people from church visiting nursing homes or prisons. It depends on the church. Some churches organized trips to Israel to tour the Holy Land.

There are Messianic churches in Israel. I attended one in Joppa/Yafo. There was a translator to translate the sermon from Hebrew to me in English through a head set. The pastor reminded us of Exodus and times in our lives when we might have to move in a hurry to avoid danger. I remembered the sermon when evacuating in advance of a major hurricane.

I recall staying in a hotel near Yehud near Ben Gurion airport before flying out. There was a hotel room on my floor designated as a synagogue. I was invited to attend a house synagogue service in America organized by a rabbi who held service in his house on Shabaht. It was a cultural exchange with both Christians and Jews attending. We were served a Shabaht meal after his teaching. The same group attended a Coptic Christian service another day. During the Hezbollah War of 2006, I was staying in a hotel in Tiberias, Israel. Some Jewish people I presumed were from the area to the north that was under rocket fire held a synagogue service that lasted almost all of Saturday in the hotel lobby. They had folding metal chairs to sit in.

Some Christians had Bible studies in their homes. Some churches met in shopping area storefronts or rented a public room once a week. Others had large buildings and outer buildings for services, Bible study classes and various activities. I recall attending a potluck supper once a month after church service in another church I visited.
 
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I was hoping to find out what is the difference between the two. As I understand, both are meant for prayer; but, is a Church is for other purposes as well other than prayer? What else does people go to a church for, etc.? I have only been to a church twice in the past year and half, and all I did was participate in the main praying stage, but I had no idea what it's all about and what else does people do inside.

The preaching of the Word and the administration of the Sacraments.
 
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POOLS .. can I give you a simple and sincere answer? The discussion here is diverging.

You should see two basic things in a Christian church.
Praise that glorifies God.
Clear and truthful teaching based on the Bible.

Just these two things are enough. Let your heart discern whether the praise is really uplifting and a sincere expression of joy to the Lord. I believe that you will be able to see this.

Christian churches normally also perform some sacred ceremonies, such as the 'breaking of the bread'.

Christian churches may have some types of programs, such as Christian school programs, for the young people. These may be a 'plus', but are not a 'necessary item'. I don't like to see churches branch off, and start supporting everyday activities such as craft groups. The church is the House of the Lord. It is a sacred place, and 'sacredness' should be present in the ceremonies. People are honoring God.

I send you blessings, and hope that you find a good church, and a community of believers where you can grow. Feel free to search for some time, and to pray constantly, during this process.
 
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Can you explain in more detail how and when these things are done in a church, and by whom, etc.? I'd love to know, I just had no idea because I thought praying was the main activity.

The thing is, each church will be different in this regard. Probably the best way to work out what happens in churches near you is actually to google them; check out their websites, look at their events and programmes, and so on.

For example (and this isn't a great website) here's some information on St. George's Cathedral, Jerusalem: The Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem You can see that it lists there Bible studies, women's fellowships, Sunday school and youth gatherings in addition to their daily worship services (which you can find here: The Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem )

But other churches will have different activities and so we can't help you very much except to tell you about what our churches do, which will be different to what's happening near you!

I wonder, Pools, have you had a chance to be baptised yet?
 
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Yes, you are right. I was confused, and I think you may have confused Pools who asked the question:



He did not ask about messianic as a movement, but specifically Messianic Jews. But I do apologize to you LoricaLady. My answer muddled the matter, too.
No problem. :)

And yes I know he or she asked about Messianiic Jews but I thought it might be helpful to address not only them, but Messianics who are not Jews. I think he or she would have wondered about them, too, eventually.
 
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Can you explain in more detail how and when these things are done in a church, and by whom, etc.? I'd love to know, I just had no idea because I thought praying was the main activity.


Sorry, I didn't really know. I'm new to it and have barely had an opportunity to visit a church, so it makes sense I wasn't aware. However, I didn't mean it to be rude or something of that nature so I don't think you need to get angry about it either.
I didn't see any anger in my response.
 
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Thanks mates. So from what I understand, you just come to pray in the church then go back home?

Anyone know if there's a specific day in the week? Or it is a daily thing, they come to pray everyday have lectures, etc.?

Are there speeches or lectures by a pastor or priest as well, etc.?

I heard of churches you can only come on Sundays, and all the other days of the week the church is closed, except for singing, wonder if that's true.
Catholic churches are open all day in Europe ,and have served as places of calm and refuge during the many wars which have taken place in the last 2,000 years .
American Christians are very badly educated in history ,and do not appreciate how much the churches played in the forming of a modern society .
If you can go to Italy ,France ,Spain ,or Greece to see the beauty of the churches , the towns created around the Church ,and apart from some short periods of time, a kind of 'heaven on earth ' ,which is being eroded by capitalism , an invention of England , which reached it's zenith in the U.S., and is ravaging the world , because of it's extremely individualistic narcissism , a very evangelical protestant thing .
 
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Can you explain in more detail how and when these things are done in a church, and by whom, etc.? I'd love to know, I just had no idea because I thought praying was the main activity.
It depends highly on that church's tradition and what sort of event is going on. There's the main service, many in the US will also have a youth group for teenagers, there may also be various classes that are held there, they are often used for weddings, funerals, and other events.
 
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