Did you know that there is an ancient book that foretold current events?

[MandM]

Did you know that there are ancient prophecies that are being fulfilled in our lifetimes right in front of our very eyes?

1) The rebirth of Israel and the rebuilding of the Temple.

Did you know that no nation that has ceased to exist has EVER come back into being after 2000 years of not being a nation?

But the Bible says that Israel would come back in the end times and that the Temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem.

See Ezekiel 37, 2 Thessalonians 2, Revelation 11, etc.

Result: THAT HAPPENED AND IS HAPPENING

For information on the rebuilding of the temple, go here and click on "Preparations for the Rebuilding of the Temple":

http://www.christian.tv/index.php?module=ctv&action=mediaCenter&cid=22

2) The rebirth of the Roman Empire.

Did you know that the Bible predicts a resurgence of the Roman Empire in the last days?

See Daniel 2, Daniel 7, etc.

Result: THAT IS HAPPENING

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union

3) The Bible foretold that we would have to have a mark on our right hand or our forehead to buy or sell.

See Revelation 13

Result: THAT IS HAPPENING - ARE YOU READY FOR YOUR CHIP PEOPLE?

http://www.tldm.org/News4/MarkoftheBeast.htm

4) The Bible foretold that there would be an army of 200 million. Before the 20th century the population of the world was such that an army of that magnitude was inconceivable.

See Revelation 9:16

Result: THAT IS HAPPENING

http://www.trumpetmin.org/prophecy.htm

5) The Bible foretold a time when all the people of the earth would look upon God's prophets in Jerusalem. Before modern communications that would be IMPOSSIBLE. But now, since the 20th century, the prophecy of Revelation 11:9 can be fulfilled.

See Revelation 11:9

Shall I go on? There is so much prophecy that is being fulfilled right in front of our eyes, and yet so many are willingly blind to it.

 

[Micah68]

1 Thessalonians 5:21, Test everything. Hold on to the good. In other words test all teachings by man.

Bible Answer Man Interview
with Hank Hanegraaff
A discussion on Christian Zionism for the Christian Research Institute

Bible Answer Man programme 15 August 2006
Questions and Answers programme 16 August 2006

 

[MandM]

1 Thessalonians 5:21, Test everything. Hold on to the good. In other words test all teachings by man.

Bible Answer Man Interview
with Hank Hanegraaff
A discussion on Christian Zionism for the Christian Research Institute

Bible Answer Man programme 15 August 2006
Questions and Answers programme 16 August 2006

What point are you trying to communicate?

 

[Micah68]

What point are you trying to communicate?

I am sorry you did not understand.

 

[christianguy77]

It's interesting that there are so many similarities to current events and foretold prophecies in the bible, but I for one will not burden my soul with waiting for the apocalypse.

People have been predicting this very same situation for hundreds and hundreds of years.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Did you know that there are ancient prophecies that are being fulfilled in our lifetimes right in front of our very eyes?

1) The rebirth of Israel and the rebuilding of the Temple.

Horsefeather.

This is a myth, false teaching, errnoeous interpretation of scriptures.

The scriptures say no such thing.

.

 

[ContentInHim]

Everytime I read Isaiah, Ezekiel and Zechariah, my spirit soars because I see the events they foretold happening right before my eyes. I'm not holding my breath, but I think we are the generation spoken of. Maranatha!

 

[gwynedd1]

Everytime I read Isaiah, Ezekiel and Zechariah, my spirit soars because I see the events they foretold happening right before my eyes. I'm not holding my breath, but I think we are the generation spoken of. Maranatha!

Hello ContentInHim,

Which part of Zechariah is that?

 

[MandM]

It's interesting that there are so many similarities to current events and foretold prophecies in the bible, but I for one will not burden my soul with waiting for the apocalypse.

People have been predicting this very same situation for hundreds and hundreds of years.

The point is not to wait for it.

The point is to GET BUSY and live your life with urgency.

The point is to show the seekers that Bible prophecies are coming true TODAY.....it is very powerful evidence for Christianity that prophecies are coming to pass right in front of our eyes.

 

[gwynedd1]

The point is not to wait for it.

The point is to GET BUSY and live your life with urgency.

The point is to show the seekers that Bible prophecies are coming true TODAY.....it is very powerful evidence for Christianity that prophecies are coming to pass right in front of our eyes.

Hello MandM,

I understand what you are trying to say however all have been and will be as we live in the flesh. what you say may not be entirely true.


James 4

Come now, you who say, ‘Today or tomorrow we will go to such and such a town and spend a year there, doing business and making money.’ 14Yet you do not even know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes.

The problem is there are strong cases against fulfillment because it can be argued as already having occurred. If they have not then there are continuity problems elsewhere. It falls under the name preterism.

 

[MandM]

Preterism?

Preterism is a complete joke and completely unbiblical.

It will soon become apparent to everyone that preterism is completely unfounded.

 

[Micah68]

The point is not to wait for it.

The point is to GET BUSY and live your life with urgency.

The point is to show the seekers that Bible prophecies are coming true TODAY.....it is very powerful evidence for Christianity that prophecies are coming to pass right in front of our eyes.

What happened to showing 'the seekers' Christ's love, revealing God's Grace? What's a seeker going to do with prophecy? You going to scared them into a belief? What has happened to faith? I cringe in horror at the harm and evil this warped doctine is doing in the name of Christ....to support any doctrine that encourages the rebuilding of a temple to resume blood sacrifices is blasphemous and evil.
Prophecy is NOT pre-written history nor are they set in stone, a perfect example being Ninevah.

 

[Micah68]

Preterism?

Preterism is a complete joke and completely unbiblical.

It will soon become apparent to everyone that preterism is completely unfounded.

I would honestly like to know what you think Christ's purpose was? I think the most awesome thng about Preterist is their absolute faith in God. Some of the most happy go lucky people I know.

 

[staveoffzombies]

You know that most of these prophecies tend to get interpreted to match current events, yes? If you want certain prophecies to fit your current day and age, then you'll probably be able to manage it.

But people have been saying that we're on the edge of the end of the world for a looooooong time now. I don't see how today is a better candidate then any other time. A lot of wishful thinking in my opinion.

 

[Micah68]

You know that most of these prophecies tend to get interpreted to match current events, yes? If you want certain prophecies to fit your current day and age, then you'll probably be able to manage it.

But people have been saying that we're on the edge of the end of the world for a looooooong time now. I don't see how today is a better candidate then any other time. A lot of wishful thinking in my opinion.

Yep, I totally agree with you, Prophecy writers engage in 'newspaper exegesis' and when the head lines change (for instance our axis of evils, Russia to Iran), the Biblical interpretation changes. The most disturbing thing about these fundamental misinterpretations is how small the make God to be confining the Almighty to a pre-written script. God is so much bigger than we make him out to be.

 

[gwynedd1]

Preterism?

Preterism is a complete joke and completely unbiblical.

It will soon become apparent to everyone that preterism is completely unfounded.

Hello MandM,

Therefore all early Christians were a "joke". Ignatius is probably the closest but still far from Dispensationist concepts that only have a modern counterpart. His view was an earthly Christian kingdom I believe.

I had asked for a Zechariah exegesis in this thread and received none.

What is your answer for nearly the entire book of Hebrews?
Please explain :

Hebrews 9

Thus it was necessary for the sketches of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves need better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made by human hands, a mere copy of the true one, but he entered into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Holy Place year after year with blood that is not his own; 26for then he would have had to suffer again and again since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the age to remove sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And just as it is appointed for mortals to die once, and after that the judgement, 28so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Here is a direct statement of when the end times occurred. This is only one, there are others. This one is just the most devastating.
Please produce scripture or some kind of evidence rather than make unsupported statements of "unbiblical". The end times was during Jesus advent on earth as stated here and to state otherwise is not biblical as can be clearly seen in Hebrews.

 

[Carey]

AWSOME post.

But be careful you will scare people who don't have enough faith to know they will be able to hande it and
be able to be happy and rejoice when they have to live through many of the tribulation events of the endtimes.

You will be persecuted and satan hopes you wont respond as you are commanded in Timothy 2 in my signature.

God bless you bro.

carey

 

[gwynedd1]

AWSOME post.

But be careful you will scare people who don't have enough faith to know they will be able to hande it and
be able to be happy and rejoice when they have to live through many of the tribulation events of the endtimes.

You will be persecuted and satan hopes you wont respond as you are commanded in Timothy 2 in my signature.

God bless you bro.

carey

Hello Carey,

What is your response to Hebrews 9 ? Also Peter in Acts 2 directly quotes Joel as being the end times at Pentecost. John says it is the last hour. It is the last hour of what? If the Bible is inspired by God's truth does being correct about the time matter. It is clear from context and direct statements about when the end times is. As far as trials and tribulation this time will come for everyone who lives and breaths.

Acts 2

14 But Peter, standing with the eleven, raised his voice and addressed them: ‘Men of Judea and all who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and listen to what I say. 15Indeed, these are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only nine o’clock in the morning. 16No, this is what was spoken through the prophet Joel:
17“In the last days it will be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams.
18Even upon my slaves, both men and women,
in those days I will pour out my Spirit;
and they shall prophesy.
19And I will show portents in the heaven above
and signs on the earth below,
blood, and fire, and smoky mist.
20The sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,
before the coming of the Lord’s great and glorious day.
21Then everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

I have asked several times in this post to challenge the scriptures posted here. No scripture and no defense but mere statements of opinion in this thread.

 

[Carey]

Hello Carey,

What is your response to Hebrews 9 ? Also Peter in Acts 2 directly quotes Joel as being the end times at Pentecost. John says it is the last hour. It is the last hour of what? If the Bible is inspired by God's truth does being correct about the time matter. It is clear from context and direct statements about when the end times is. As far as trials and tribulation this time will come for everyone who lives and breaths.

Acts 2




I have asked several times in this post to challenge the scriptures posted here. No scripture and no defense but mere statements of opinion in this thread.

The end of days started when Christ ascended and God has been poring out his spirit ever since.
This is why people still are recieving the gift of tongues as I type this post.

The sun and moon will be darkened in the future as Jesus also said in Matthew 24 but there are many other events that must come to pass because right after the sun and moon are darkened we will see him returning in the clouds.

And we know we have not seen him returning in the clouds and all the nations mourn because of this supernatural event.

Acts 2 :
20The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. ( and that day has not yet came still in 2007 )
47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.( and he is still adding to that number daily and will till judgement day )

Matthew 24 : 29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]
30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.

 

[gwynedd1]

The end of days started when Christ ascended and God has been poring out his spirit ever since.
This is why people still are recieving the gift of tongues as I type this post.

The sun and moon will be darkened in the future as Jesus also said in Matthew 24 but there are many other events that must come to pass because right after the sun and moon are darkened we will see him returning in the clouds.

And we know we have not seen him returning in the clouds and all the nations mourn because of this supernatural event.

Acts 2 :
20The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. ( and that day has not yet came still in 2007 )
47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.( and he is still adding to that number daily and will till judgement day )

Carey,

What is with your parenthetical notes? Why should anyone need that? If you are going to support an intepretation do it with other scripture or keep your statements clear.

Peter said the last days were in his time.

14 But Peter, standing with the eleven, raised his voice and addressed them: ‘Men of Judea and all who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and listen to what I say. 15Indeed, these are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only nine o’clock in the morning. 16No, this is what was spoken through the prophet Joel:
17“In the last days it will be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh,

So you take the position that the darkness is not a metaphore. So basically you are going to have to stick to this. You have already stated the similair language in Isaiah 13 is not the Babylonian captivity to avoid this problem. Also in terms of the fog of war from that perspective this is possible. Even so perspective is important.

Isaiah 13

9See, the day of the Lord comes,
cruel, with wrath and fierce anger,
to make the earth a desolation,
and to destroy its sinners from it.
10For the stars of the heavens and their constellations
will not give their light;
the sun will be dark at its rising,
and the moon will not shed its light.

So does anyone else think Isaiah 13 is in the future and not about the Babylonain captivity? Hyenas and jackals will need to come from the zoo.


Also in regard to literal interpretations.

They will look aghast at one another;
their faces will be aflame.

Will their faces be on fire?

Matthew 24 : 29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]
30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.

Why ignore the account in Josephus?

Now those that kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without great difficulty was able to shut the gate again. This also appeared to the vulgar to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them the gate of happiness. But the men of learning understood it, that the security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies. So these publicly declared that the signal foreshowed the desolation that was coming upon them. Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the temple,] as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence." But, what is still more terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when the city was in very great peace and prosperity, came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, (23) began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against this whole people!"

- Book 6 chapter 5 section 3 Wars of the Jews. Josephus

Now if you insist that there is only one second coming I would like to see that proof. There are certainly statements that Jesus will come again in several places in several different contexts particularly to the seven churches and certainly he came to Paul.


However again context is important. Did the nations see something?

John 12

18It was also because they heard that he had performed this sign that the crowd went to meet him. 19The Pharisees then said to one another, ‘You see, you can do nothing. Look, the world has gone after him!’

Was the "world" used a metaphore here or were they talking about hunter gatherers in the Americas as well? Rome was many nations and is therfore why it is know as an empire.