Did Yahshua and his Disciples Abstain from Meat?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I disagree and so does scripture. Yeshua was perfect as far as the law is concerned. Why do you claim he wasn't able to keep all of the law's requirements?

No, scripture agrees with me. Again..read what I said...NO ONE can keep ALL...ALL...ALL of the law's requirements.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

While the law was in effect, Paul obeyed it. This does not say that he believed himself to be under that law currently.

And yet he goes on to say that this now-defunct law can justify no one because there is a new covenant for them to obey.

Are you now changing your theory? You said: "The Torah was not kept after Christ"...make up your mind!

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Paul took part so that he could preach the gospel.

Jesus nailed the law of Moses to the cross exactly as Paul said. What we are supposed to obey is Christ's law...

And why do you not advocate that we continue to sacrifice animals as is demanded by this same law?

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

You continue to argue with Paul and the Holy Spirit. Enjoy yourself.

The "old" covenant had animal sacrifices to cover our sin, we do not need them any longer. That is what was made obsolete. The curse is gone. Read Jeremiah and what the new covenant is...
So in your opinion, what is "Christ's law"?

 

[HARK!]

Yep, fulfilled at the cross

Oh, you're still confused? Maybe if you read the verse in context; you better understand it.

17"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

All of the prophecies were not fulfilled on the pale (cross). Neither heaven nor Earth have passed away.

then the law changed:

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

What law changed. Is it OK to worship the Golden Calf now? Will there be homos in heaven? Is it a free for all now? Just say the magic words, get baptized, live like Satan, and get out of jail free? Oh, wait...here's the law that he's taking about in the very next verse:

(CLV) Hb 7:11
If, indeed, then, perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for the people have been placed~ under law with it), what need is there still for a different priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not said to be according to the order of Aaron?

(CLV) Hb 7:12
For, the priesthood being transferred, of necessity there is coming to be a transference of law also,

(CLV) Hb 7:13
for He of Whom these things are said partakes of a different tribe, from which not one has given heed to the altar.

Oh I see; it's not saying we can worship Satan. It's saying that the alter has been transferred from the Levitical Priesthood to Yahshua, along with the Priesthood itself. That makes sense.

Now it lines up with what Yahshua taught.

 

[HARK!]

No, we are not under the law because we do not keep that old law. Keeping the law of Moses is not what Paul taught.

Romans 2:12 - For as many as have sinned without Law will also perish without Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law will be judged by the Law 13 (for not the hearers of the Law [are] just in the sight of Yahweh, but the doers of the Law will be justified;

 

[HARK!]

eshua was perfect as far as the law is concerned. Why do you claim he wasn't able to keep all of the law's requirements?

I've been wondering about this.

What does this verse mean?:

(CLV) Hb 5:8
even He also, being a Son, learned obedience from that which He suffered.

 

[HARK!]

While the law was in effect, Paul obeyed it. This does not say that he believed himself to be under that law currently.

Paul wasn't under the law; because he wasn't breaking it. He wasn't above the law either.

 

[HARK!]

What translation are you using? Neither 'Eolohim' nor 'Yahweh' can be found in the New Testament.

New International Version
For in my inner being I delight in God's law;

New Living Translation
I love God’s law with all my heart.

English Standard Version
For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,

Berean Study Bible
For in my inner being I delight in God’s law.

Berean Literal Bible
For I delight in the Law of God according to the inward man;

New American Standard Bible
For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,

New King James Version
For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

King James Bible
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Christian Standard Bible
For in my inner self I delight in God's law,

Contemporary English Version
With my whole heart I agree with the Law of God.

Good News Translation
My inner being delights in the law of God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For in my inner self I joyfully agree with God's law.

International Standard Version
For I delight in the Law of God in my inner being,

NET Bible
For I delight in the law of God in my inner being.

New Heart English Bible
For I delight in God's law in my inner being,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For I rejoice in the law of God in the inner person.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I take pleasure in God's standards in my inner being.

New American Standard 1977
For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,

Jubilee Bible 2000
For I delight with the law of God with the inward man,

King James 2000 Bible
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

American King James Version
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

American Standard Version
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Douay-Rheims Bible
For I am delighted with the law of God, according to the inward man:

Darby Bible Translation
For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man:

English Revised Version
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Webster's Bible Translation
For I delight in the law of God, after the inward man:

Weymouth New Testament
For in my inmost self all my sympathy is with the Law of God;

World English Bible
For I delight in God's law after the inward man,

Young's Literal Translation
for I delight in the law of God according to the inward man,

 

[HARK!]

And yet he goes on to say that this now-defunct law can justify no one because there is a new covenant for them to obey.

Why didn't you post the verse? You have a habit of cherry picking, and reading verses out of context.

 

[ewq1938]

All of the prophecies were not fulfilled on the pale (cross). Neither heaven nor Earth have passed away.

All the prophecies concerning the first coming were fulfilled and heaven and earth passing is referring to ages not the literal places. This is why the law changed after the cross. That couldn't happen if what Christ said wasn't accomplished.

 

[Al Touthentop]

Sin is the transgression of the law. We no longer need sacrifices to cover our sin. Yeshua is now our Kohen Gadol (High Priest).

We no longer need sacrifices because the one sacrifice was made which abolished the old law. Not a small part, the whole thing. And Paul said if you go back to that law, you reject Christ.

 

[Al Touthentop]

Why didn't you post the verse? You have a habit of cherry picking, and reading verses out of context.

Pot meet Mr. Kettle. You keep posting bible passages from the new testament with 'Yahweh' and Elohim' in them which are not found in the Greek.

 

[Al Touthentop]

NO ONE can keep ALL...ALL...ALL of the law's requirements...not even Yeshua. This is fact. You say I am incorrect because you do not understand Torah.

This is not a fact at all. Jesus kept the old law perfectly and it was part of his purpose that he do so. One, to show us that it was in fact possible for a man to do that, but because also it couldn't be fulfilled until someone did keep it perfectly. To bring in the new covenant he had to fulfill that law perfectly. He did that.

 

[Dkh587]

This is not a fact at all. Jesus kept the old law perfectly and it was part of his purpose that he do so. One, to show us that it was in fact possible for a man to do that, but because also it couldn't be fulfilled until someone did keep it perfectly. To bring in the new covenant he had to fulfill that law perfectly. He did that.

You say Jesus kept the law perfectly... but there are commandments that are only for women... so he couldn’t “keep” those in the way you are thinking of “keeping” commandments.

for example, when a woman gives birth, there are certain commandments, just like when a woman is on her period.

also, the Messiah was not a Levite, nor was he a priest according to the order of Levi, so he couldn’t keep commandments given specifically to Levitical priests...

 

[ewq1938]

You say Jesus kept the law perfectly... but there are commandments that are only for women... so he couldn’t “keep” those in the way you are thinking of “keeping” commandments.

This is not a good point to raise. To keep all the law is to keep all that applies to someone. The laws concerning woman don't have to be kept by men, and the same in reverse. It is highly disturbing that anyone believes in a Messiah that didn't and couldn't keep the law perfectly. I say that is not the true Messiah.

 

[Dkh587]

This is the law of the new covenant. He spoke differently about the old law:


Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law- Galatians 3:13

the law entangles with the yoke of bondage- Galatians 5:1

if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law - Galatians 5:18

the strength of sin is the law- 1 Corinthians 15:56

ye also are become dead to the law - Romans 7:4

the law worketh wrath- Romans 4:15

we are not under the law- Romans 6:15

we are delivered from the law- Romans 7:6

we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter- Romans 7:6

none of that says anything about followers of Messiah now being free to disobey God’s law.

 

[Dkh587]

He wasn't told to eat gentiles. "Peter; kill, and eat"



And nothing forbidding it either.

There weren’t even animals to eat. It was a vision.

 

[Dkh587]

Which we know was not because he was trying to obey the Torah but to keep to what the Holy Spirit had directed him to do. He taught that the old law was abolished. You can't use this in an attempt to nullify his teaching on that. Shame on you for using the scriptures against themselves.

Paul took a vow to prove that he lived in obedience to the law of God(aka the law of Moses)

 

[Dkh587]

1Co 9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1Co 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Naturally Paul went to Jewish feasts so he could share the gospel with them. He went to synagogues for the same reason. He wanted to gain them who were under the law. Paul taught to not be under the law.

Gal_5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

You make Paul out to be a lawless flip flopped.
Paul never taught disobedience to the law of God.

 

[ewq1938]

You make Paul out to be a lawless flip flopped.
Paul never taught disobedience to the law of God.

The old law was gone. Paul taught against serving that law. Please don't call Paul names.