Did the Founding Fathers get anything Wrong?

[Bradskii]

I’ve already stated this, but I’ll state it again. I don’t expect to see it in my lifetime. It’s a long game. As Christ continues to grow His kingdom, there will be a majority of believers, and it will happen.

'In a study published in 2022, Pew Research Center projected that if the rate of decline continues to accelerate, Christians will make up less than half of the American population by 2070, with estimated ranges for that year falling between 35% and 46% of the American population.' Decline of Christianity in the Western world - Wikipedia.

 

[Arcangl86]

I believe there is plenty the founders got wrong. But many of the issues of today comes from their inability for some reason to see the rise of the political party. The structure of the constitution is designed with an understanding that each elector and legislator would exercise independent judgment in their roles, not simply voting for or against the policies of the other party. There are many changes I would make to the Constitution if given a chance.

 

[Hammster]

'In a study published in 2022, Pew Research Center projected that if the rate of decline continues to accelerate, Christians will make up less than half of the American population by 2070, with estimated ranges for that year falling between 35% and 46% of the American population.' Decline of Christianity in the Western world - Wikipedia.

Is that supposed to mean something?

 

[Bradskii]

Is that supposed to mean something?

Umm...yeah. It's meant to contradict what you said.

 

[Hammster]

Umm...yeah. It's meant to contradict what you said.

How?

 

[Bradskii]

How?

This isn't difficult...

You said 'As Christ continues to grow His kingdom, there will be a majority of believers, and it will happen.'

I showed you just the opposite.

 

[Hammster]

This isn't difficult...

You said 'As Christ continues to grow His kingdom, there will be a majority of believers, and it will happen.'

I showed you just the opposite.

You showed a stat about the current state of the US.

 

[Bradskii]

You showed a stat about the current state of the US.

'Over the coming decades, Christians are expected to experience the largest net losses from switching. Globally, about 40 million people are projected to switch into Christianity, while 106 million are projected to leave, with most joining the ranks of the religiously unaffiliated.' The Future of World Religions: Population Growth Projections, 2010-2050.

 

[BCP1928]

This isn't difficult...

You said 'As Christ continues to grow His kingdom, there will be a majority of believers, and it will happen.'

I showed you just the opposite.

But he may be right. The current crop of MAGA Christians have all but abandoned the Gospel of Christ but that doesn't mean that the Gospel is gone. After the train wreck we are headed for in November, it is entirely possible that there will be a revival of the Christian faith and a reformation and, purged of it's cruel elements, the church will begin to grow again.

 

[Hammster]

'Over the coming decades, Christians are expected to experience the largest net losses from switching. Globally, about 40 million people are projected to switch into Christianity, while 106 million are projected to leave, with most joining the ranks of the religiously unaffiliated.' The Future of World Religions: Population Growth Projections, 2010-2050.

If that makes you feel better, okay.

 

[Bradskii]

If that makes you feel better, okay.

I'm indifferent to the matter. I was wondering how you were going to acheive your aims. You said that the number of Christians would increase so that they'd have some control. You can't have just made that up so I went and checked. The info I found showed just the opposite.

Where did you get your info from?

 

[Hammster]

I'm indifferent to the matter. I was wondering how you were going to acheive your aims. You said that the number of Christians would increase so that they'd have some control. You can't have just made that up so I went and checked. The info I found showed just the opposite.

Where did you get your info from?

Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold, all together were broken in pieces, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.
— Daniel 2:35

The mountain is Christ’s kingdom.

Speaking of…

He told them another parable. “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.”
— Matthew 13:33

The kingdom will eventually fill the world.

 

[Bradskii]

Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold, all together were broken in pieces, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.
— Daniel 2:35

The mountain is Christ’s kingdom.

Speaking of…

He told them another parable. “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.”
— Matthew 13:33

The kingdom will eventually fill the world.

I'm sorry, I don't read biblical quotes put forward as an argument. I thought you'd have some specific information about some increase in the percentage of Christians.

 

[Hammster]

I'm sorry, I don't read biblical quotes put forward as an argument.

That isn’t my problem.

I thought you'd have some specific information about some increase in the percentage of Christians.

I did.

 

[Bradskii]

I did.

From the bible? Then I think we're all safe from Christian Nationalism.

 

[Hammster]

From the bible? Then I think we're all safe from Christian Nationalism.

Okay.

 

[zelosravioli]

Not the topic.

Brihaha brought the trial up again. ​

You might note the OP has this as an example: "....I don't understand how a judge appointed by a president would be permitted to try that same president in their court room. How is it that this did not have some kind of stop gap measure?"​

My comment is #190 of a 10 page thread (!), that had devolved long ago, and yet the OP 'was' motivated by the trial of DTrump, note I tried to add relevant discussion to this now vague wandering topic... such as here: #164 "I havent seen the 'Federalist papers' mentioned yet in this thread... they show the extensive thinking behind the founding documents......
.............. oh brother

 

[civilwarbuff]

'In a study published in 2022, Pew Research Center projected that if the rate of decline continues to accelerate, Christians will make up less than half of the American population by 2070, with estimated ranges for that year falling between 35% and 46% of the American population.' Decline of Christianity in the Western world - Wikipedia.

Is that a Jeanne Dixon prophecy?

 

[Bradskii]

Is that a Jeanne Dixon prophecy?

From Pew, as noted. They are very reliable. I guess that in this case they took all the data over the years and drew a line joining the dots, then noticed which way the line was heading.

Spoiler alert: It wasn't heading upwards.

 

[Hans Blaster]

From Pew, as noted. They are very reliable. I guess that in this case they took all the data over the years and drew a line joining the dots, then noticed which way the line was heading.

Spoiler alert: It wasn't heading upwards.

When I first read the Pew report I thought it was a bit generous to the future of religion in the US. For some reason they think that scenarios where believers end their identification with their old religion will just stop are some how plausible, especially given that the large size of the "None" category is largely driven by deconversion.