Did salvation take out replace righteousness

[BryanW92]

It is what God has planned for you

Jesus is our savor yes so he is are salvation but that doesn't mean internal inheritance
And if you think so look and search all you want You will never find it in the bible

Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. Hebrews 9:15

In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory. Eph 1:13-14

 

[joshuanazar]

Joshua wrote: "If we try to do good for any other reason than because we just want to, even if it is trying to obey God or trying to please him, then we are not accepting that he died so we don't gave to try. We are not accepting his grace." Hi Joshua, I'm a bit confused by your statement here. Are you saying that, if we do good for any reason besides "just wanting to", then we are rejecting God's grace? Is it wrong to try to obey God, or to try to please Him? If you feel that way based on something from the Bible, can you please cite the relevant passages for that conclusion? Thanks.

What I mean is that because of God's unconditional love for us he is already passed with us. His being pleased has nothing to do with our works. When he looks at us he sees Jesus and he is pleased. No amount of obedience can please God because even our best attempt at being obedient is horribly flawed. He is pleased because he loves. Simple as that. If we think that we have to doing something to please him, we fail to fully recognize his grace.

 

[Light hearted]

Grace also doesn't mean what we were told "
In the bible it means favor in Gods eyes
And after being a sinner and confession you'll receive remission for sin
Then it will translate into un merited favor in Gods
Eyes

KJV Dictionary Definition: grace

grace

GRACE, n. L. gratia, which is formed on the Celtic; Eng. agree, congruous, and ready. The primary sense of gratus, is free, ready, quick, willing, prompt, from advancing.

1. Favor; good will; kindness; disposition to oblige another; as a grant made as an act of grace.
Or each, or all, may win a lady's grace.
My grace is sufficient for thee. 2 Cor.12.
4. The application of Christ's righteousness to the sinner.
Where sin abounded, grace did much more abound. Rom.5.
5. A state of reconciliation to God. Rom.5.2.
6. Virtuous or religious affection or disposition, as a liberal disposition, faith, meekness, humility, patience, &c. proceeding from divine influence.
7. Spiritual instruction, improvement and edification. Eph.4.29.
8. Apostleship, or the qualifications of an apostle. Eph. 3.8.
9. Eternal life; final salvation. 1 Pet.1.13.
10. Favor; mercy; pardon.
Bow and sue for grace
With suppliant knee.[/QUOTE)




Usually as I read someones posts I can get a good feel for where they stand on issues that are commonly discussed on this forum.

lori milne, I check in occasionally to see what's happening, I see many posts of scripture you bring forth. Problem is, much of it bounces back and forth from grace salvation to works salvation.

Now with the quote above you say

"Grace also doesn't mean what we were told "
In the bible it means favor in Gods eyes
And after being a sinner and confession you'll receive remission for sin
Then it will translate into un merited favor in Gods
Eyes

Is this the definition that you have been told and you are informing us that this is the wrong definition, or, is this quote something that you have recently learned and are sharing it with all of us.

It wasn't clear to me and I don't want to assume either way, thanks, Jim

 

[lori milne]

It's what I've searched for in the word and found to confirm after listening to a Masonic Jewish teaching about the abused words Christians use

 

[lori milne]

salvation and grace has been misinterpreted by CALV OSAS to teach that's theology basically

My search has been only biblical and what ive learned so far is not only is the theory not balanced but its a contradiction to all of jesus teaching as well as all the tora / OT also I'm finding many churches have and are teaching against it and devisions of teachings are everywhere in a lot of church's
Big church that's going through this now is CALVARY churches their teachings are split up because of chuck smiths beliefs went from CALV to free will

 

[joshuanazar]

salvation and grace has been misinterpreted by CALV OSAS to teach that's theology basically

My search has been only biblical and what ive learned so far is not only is the theory not balanced but its a contradiction to all of jesus teaching as well as all the tora / OT also I'm finding many churches have and are teaching against it and devisions of teachings are everywhere in a lot of church's
Big church that's going through this now is CALVARY churches their teachings are split up because of chuck smiths beliefs went from CALV to free will

Everytime I see a post from you it is talking about how these people are wrong. They might be wrong I don't know, but it certainly sounds like this issue has dominion over you. I wouldn't really bother responding since I've decided to not open this thread anymore.

 

[lori milne]

Everytime I see a post from you it is talking about how these people are wrong. They might be wrong I don't know, but it certainly sounds like this issue has dominion over you. I wouldn't really bother responding since I've decided to not open this thread anymore.

Amen

 

[lori milne]

Christ became our righteousness, as scripture says The Lord our Righteousness. Our salvation comes through His righteousness. He became the curse for us, by His stripes we are healed. We are but sinners, hoping in His mercy. In Christ Daniel

What scriptures back this up

 

[lori milne]

This thread is getting a little heated and is starting to look very unlike Christ. I have a few things to say. 1. I do not know what Calvinists believe. All I know is what I believe. I am a "bible reader" as you call it. I know that I do not fully understand the Bible, I believe that is an impossibility. But what I have understood with the Spirit over abundant help I believe 100% 2. I think that 99% that believe in a carpet ride is an over exaggeration. I believe OSAS is wrong. 3. I believe that our righteousness is filthy rags and always will be. By faith in Jesus' amazing grace we put on his perfect righteousness. When God sees me he does not see any sin, he see only the right standing of Christ. 4. I believe salvation and a relationship in God is not a series of actions, but an attitude towards God that reveals itself in my actions. As long as my heart is focused on God and I hate the sin that tries to separate us, then we have a relationship and his grace covers every sin. 5.(THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I CAN SIN) Remember I hate sin with my whole being, so why would I consciously do it? I believe that when people that were once saved start loving themselves more than God, they start loving their sin and start hating God. Or start loving a self-righteous law (filthy rag law) and begin to hate his grace and in effect God himself. Then the person has fallen from grace and grace cannot cover their sin because they will not allow it to. 6. We need to stop seeing the differences in what we are and start seeing the similarities. We are all loved by God beyond anything that we can comprehend. I believe all of this with everything that I am. (Oh, and by the way, Pilgrim's Progress written by John Bunyan in the late 1600s has a very interest part about righteousness).

I will look it up anything 1600 that Is not pet of the reformation I'm always excited to read
Thanks
the received bible is a major issue to most professing Christians today because it contradicts the theology more then the newer bibles.

Anything that omits acts 8:37
Is of the devil absolutely!

I follow the bible and I believe all of it is true not just some of it.

Isaiah 59 :14-21 is a great passage about what Gods imputed righteousness means
As well as Romans 3&4

 

[rick357]

We are told to not go to the right or left...the right would be trying to within our own ability trying to keep the law which scripture has said is not possible...the left would be saying Jesus kept the law so I don't have too...but how can two walk together if they are not agreed...If we are one with Him and the life we live is no longer I but Messiah through us then does He now no longer keep the law.The straightway is to place our faith in Yeshua to live in and through us...this is not a new testament teaching but as Paul points out in Galations...These things being said we see Paul shifting gears in verse 11; it is as though he has said if you want to be instructed from the law allow me to tell you some things these so called teachers have not told you about.

Paul had been a disciple to Gamaliel before His conversion. It would be the equivalent of having an earned doctorate from every Ivy League school rolled into one except this school taught only the law of law and prophets.

After His conversion to become a disciple of Messiah not only does the Holy Spirit begin to show him the true life in all he has learned, but also he is taught by divine revelation the things of scripture that are plainly said but not perceived by the flesh of the first Adam.

Let us consider the things Paul says as he opens class on the law and prophets.

1)[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] for the just shall live by faith (Habakkuk 2:4) first point the law teaches justification by faith

2)[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] faith but the man that doeth them shall live in them(Leviticus 18:5, Nehemiah 9:29, Ezekiel 20:11) not if they are known not if they are learned not if they are agreed with but if they are done they bring life.

3)[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] ) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law (Deuteronomy 28: 15-66) every man has broken the law and the curse is upon them by their own actions… also the law has no do overs if you have ever broke it then you have brought yourself into the curse

4)[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] being made a curse for us for it is written cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree (Deuteronomy 21: 22-23) Messiah as the only man ever qualified to not suffer the curse took it upon His own shoulders …the law is not a curse sin is the curse…the law describes life but because we cannot perform it we are shown that in us is death by that law

5)[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] that the blessings of Abraham(Genesis 15: 1) might come…the promise that YHWH is our shield and exceeding great reward comes on us through Messiah as we trust and rely and expect Him to live His life in us making us one

6)[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made He saith not and to seeds as of many but as of one and to thy seed which is Christ (Genesis 15: 5) the lawyer in Paul brings out that the seed by which the nations would be blessed is a singular seed which is Yeshua…conclusion being only in Him can you obtain the promise

 

[lori milne]

We are told to not go to the right or left...the right would be trying to within our own ability trying to keep the law which scripture has said is not possible...the left would be saying Jesus kept the law so I don't have too...but how can two walk together if they are not agreed...If we are one with Him and the life we live is no longer I but Messiah through us then does He now no longer keep the law.The straightway is to place our faith in Yeshua to live in and through us...this is not a new testament teaching but as Paul points out in Galations...These things being said we see Paul shifting gears in verse 11; it is as though he has said if you want to be instructed from the law allow me to tell you some things these so called teachers have not told you about. Paul had been a disciple to Gamaliel before His conversion. It would be the equivalent of having an earned doctorate from every Ivy League school rolled into one except this school taught only the law of law and prophets. After His conversion to become a disciple of Messiah not only does the Holy Spirit begin to show him the true life in all he has learned, but also he is taught by divine revelation the things of scripture that are plainly said but not perceived by the flesh of the first Adam. Let us consider the things Paul says as he opens class on the law and prophets. 1)[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] for the just shall live by faith (Habakkuk 2:4) first point the law teaches justification by faith 2)[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] faith but the man that doeth them shall live in them(Leviticus 18:5, Nehemiah 9:29, Ezekiel 20:11) not if they are known not if they are learned not if they are agreed with but if they are done they bring life. 3)[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] ) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law (Deuteronomy 28: 15-66) every man has broken the law and the curse is upon them by their own actions… also the law has no do overs if you have ever broke it then you have brought yourself into the curse 4)[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] being made a curse for us for it is written cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree (Deuteronomy 21: 22-23) Messiah as the only man ever qualified to not suffer the curse took it upon His own shoulders …the law is not a curse sin is the curse…the law describes life but because we cannot perform it we are shown that in us is death by that law 5)[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] that the blessings of Abraham(Genesis 15: 1) might come…the promise that YHWH is our shield and exceeding great reward comes on us through Messiah as we trust and rely and expect Him to live His life in us making us one 6)[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made He saith not and to seeds as of many but as of one and to thy seed which is Christ (Genesis 15: 5) the lawyer in Paul brings out that the seed by which the nations would be blessed is a singular seed which is Yeshua…conclusion being only in Him can you obtain the promise

Amen
A balanced faith or to believe EVERY word of God vs just a few books or verses in Romans is unbalanced .
Paul's writing read in a chronological order After the gospels after the OT after the palms and proverbs
Is then understood clearly in context with the word and balanced
Amen

 

[rick357]

When a Hebrew teacher speaks of having received righteousness or salvation(same thing your salvation is from bondage to sin so once freed you can be righteous) He is not speaking of a position of belief. That is the thinking of Greek philosophy which separates what is in the mind from what is in the body...To a Hebrew the actions seen in the living reflect what isin mind and heart...where does such a thinking come from the scripture. The conclusion of these things we are justified by faith placed in Messiah for by faith we reaped the result of our sinfulness in him stripes, bruising, chadtisment, death. As He who knew no sin suffered the result of sin by faith he carried us in Him that our old man is crucified...in a liked manner He carried us to His resurrection and gave us the life of YHWH that was in Him so that we who knew no righteousness might become YHWH's righteousness....this is not a mental position of understanding but to something experienced in our entire being....these things being so why do we see failure... When that which we place our trust and reliance in is the self to live we see sin in our life when we trust Him to live in in and through us we see righteousness...the strongholds in our mind coming from a deceitful heart that says it trust him while trusting its own ways are torn down as Yeshua renews our mind ...for His righteousness is revealed in us from faith to faith...as we rely on Him He teaches us to rely more and more...as in babtism when you are placed in dirt the dead man seems to remain...some things even seem to grow...but as long as he remains dead he will become the dirt around him even if some more hardened(an example of lingering unbelief)parts cling for years there is no doubt it shall become that in which it is baptized...if we continue in faith in Messiah this is the result...our fight is a fight of faith...to rely depend and expect with all our heart all our might and all our soul...we are not fighting flesh and blood but spiritual wickedness(this is not fallen angels and imps but the false trust of Adam that He can be his own source of life) all trust in self and men and this world of men must be brought into captivity toMessiah within you...for we are not fighting men or supernatural host but that all of their lies and false ways would be cast away from us that we become the living word having only the life of YHWH in us one with Him...this is the mark of the prize of the high call of life in messiah Yeshua...