Did salvation take out replace righteousness

[lori milne]

Hello, I have highlighted a few things that you said in red, and I would like to discuss these things. First, saved by grace and salvation are bible words. Grace is the favor of God bestowed upon us when we can never deserve it, only because he loves us. That said it is only because of his grace that Jesus came and bled on the cross for us. We did not earn his sacrifice. So in that way, grace does cover our sins. The bible says that love covers a multitude of sin. Again, his love is his grace because we do not deserve it. Second, while on the cross Jesus did pay for our sins past, present, and future. Not only did he forgive them but he then forgot them. Yes, I am saying that Jesus Christ the Son of God has already forgiven and forgotten any future sin. (Again, I do not believe in OSAS). But when Jesus said "it is finished," he meant it is finished; everything, finished. Hebrews says that unlike the other priests, Jesus only had to offer himself once. SIN NO LONGER SEPARATES US FROM GOD, UNBELIEF DOES. It somewhat sounds like you're saying that being righteous is the only way to obtain God's favor. If you are not saying that then I apologize. But both righteousness and grace come to us through our faith or through our believing that God has given them to us. See how whether or not we have a relationship with God really comes down to believing or not believing? Everything has been paid for. But, do you believe that it is paid for? I'm going to be honest because I want you to seriously consider this. But it appears from all of your posts that you have developed your own religion. From your posts it seems as if you are saying that from You studying the bible and nothing else, that you believe that by working to show these fruits of the Spirit that you will obtain righteousness. And with righteousness you will earn God's favor and go to heaven. The bible says that if we walk in the Spirit we will develop these fruits. But it also says that unless the branch abides in the vine it can produce no fruit. It really sounds as if you are relying on your own knowledge of the bible and your own ability to please God. I do not subscribe to any theology or denomination. I only follow what the bible says. But I cannot rely on my own knowledge of it. I can only rely on what the Spirit shows me. I am not saying this to argue but so that you can reflect. If I am wrong then forgive me, but I do not believe that to be the case.

Amen again brother o didn't even notice you even put in order
Righteousness through faith gives you grace

You're scripted what a blessing
Hebrews 3&4 really gave that order to me with Davis and Abraham as an example may I ask ware you got that order?

 

[joshuanazar]

Amen again brother o didn't even notice you even put in order
Righteousness through faith gives you grace

You're scripted what a blessing
Hebrews 3&4 really gave that order to me with Davis and Abraham as an example may I ask ware you got that order?

What does the bible mean by the word repent? Both Peter and Judas betrayed Jesus. And both Peter and Judas repented (Mat 27:3-5). So why did Peter find grace and Judas did not? We all know that sin is sin, the only unpardonable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. So why?

The difference between Peter and Judas lies in the Greek. The Greek word for repent in Judas' case is metamelomai, which means to regret the consequences of an action but not the action itself. Like a child who regrets drawing on the wall because now he is being punished. However, the Greek word for true repentance is metanoia. This means a complete change in mind and heart, a 180 degree turn. First, I used to love sin because it was all I knew. Now, I completely hate it because it separates me from God.

However, I still occasionally sin ever though I hate sin. I am human, in a corrupt body, and sad to say sometimes this world distracts me from God's love. Every born again christian has this problem. And we hate it. Paul sums it up in Romans 7: 15-20.

It all comes down to having a relationship with Jesus. Hell is a real fiery place, but the real torment is not having a relationship with God and knowing that you need one. Repentance is not simply asking for forgiveness, but to hate the sin so much that you want nothing to do with it. If you cannot hate the sin, then you cannot love God. Hence, no relationship with God. And sin is not an action, but a state of rebellion against God. I am no longer in a state of rebellion against God, my flesh is, but I am not. I put my flesh to death and I am spiritually separated from my flesh. My mind needs to remember that.

 

[lori milne]

What does the bible mean by the word repent? Both Peter and Judas betrayed Jesus. And both Peter and Judas repented (Mat 27:3-5). So why did Peter find grace and Judas did not? We all know that sin is sin, the only unpardonable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. So why? The difference between Peter and Judas lies in the Greek. The Greek word for repent in Judas' case is metamelomai, which means to regret the consequences of an action but not the action itself. Like a child who regrets drawing on the wall because now he is being punished. However, the Greek word for true repentance is metanoia. This means a complete change in mind and heart, a 180 degree turn. First, I used to love sin because it was all I knew. Now, I completely hate it because it separates me from God. However, I still occasionally sin ever though I hate sin. I am human, in a corrupt body, and sad to say sometimes this world distracts me from God's love. Every born again christian has this problem. And we hate it. Paul sums it up in Romans 7: 15-20. It all comes down to having a relationship with Jesus. Hell is a real fiery place, but the real torment is not having a relationship with God and knowing that you need one. Repentance is not simply asking for forgiveness, but to hate the sin so much that you want nothing to do with it. If you cannot hate the sin, then you cannot love God. Hence, no relationship with God. And sin is not an action, but a state of rebellion against God. I am no longer in a state of rebellion against God, my flesh is, but I am not. I put my flesh to death and I am spiritually separated from my flesh. My mind needs to remember that.

Only what the word says about repentance
In the NT it normally falls with remission or righteousness
Or just boldly by itself
Remission is the removal of judgement or consequence.
According to the kjv dictionary

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God
Romans‬ [bless and do not curse]3‬:[bless and do not curse]25‬ KJV
Past sins would be repented to my understanding.


John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins
Mark‬ [bless and do not curse]1‬:[bless and do not curse]4‬ KJV


And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem
Luke‬ [bless and do not curse]24‬:[bless and do not curse]47‬ KJV

And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not
Revelation‬ [bless and do not curse]2‬:[bless and do not curse]21‬ KJV

This next one go hand and hand with fornication leading you to hell.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God
Galatians‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]19-21‬ KJV

The passage is about being in the spirit vs the flesh and the results of them both


How do you interpret these or repented for that matter

 

[joshuanazar]

Only what the word says about repentance
In the NT it normally falls with remission or righteousness
Or just boldly by itself
Remission is the removal of judgement or consequence.
According to the kjv dictionary

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God
Romans‬ [bless and do not curse]3‬:[bless and do not curse]25‬ KJV
Past sins would be repented to my understanding.


John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins
Mark‬ [bless and do not curse]1‬:[bless and do not curse]4‬ KJV


And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem
Luke‬ [bless and do not curse]24‬:[bless and do not curse]47‬ KJV

And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not
Revelation‬ [bless and do not curse]2‬:[bless and do not curse]21‬ KJV

This next one go hand and hand with fornication leading you to hell.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God
Galatians‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]19-21‬ KJV

The passage is about being in the spirit vs the flesh and the results of them both


How do you interpret these or repented for that matter

I stick with my previous post about sin, repentance, and salvation being a matter of attitude that leads to actions like fruits of the spirit or works of the flesh. I normally like asking a question and then answer that question. My next question: How do we repent of our attitude of sin? I could go into detail with my answer, but I want to keep it short. Romans 2:4 It is the goodness of God, his grace and love, that leads to repentance. First he extended his grace toward us by taking our place and sacrificing himself and opening the way for repentance. Then, he shed light into our hearts so that we could see his overwhelming, ever present goodness. Then our job is to simply surrender to his goodness. In surrendering, we give him complete control and the Spirit begins the process of sanctification. We are reborn of the Spirit, reborn a new creation, we are no longer servants of sin, but friends of God. We now see sin for what it is and we hate it. That is how we repent, God shows us the truth and we simply surrender to it.

 

[lori milne]

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God
Gal
5‬:[bless and do not curse]16-21

 

[Bramwell]

Joshua wrote: "And both Peter and Judas repented (Mat 27:3-5)" Hi Joshua, I know that the Bible says Judas was 'remorseful' after seeing that he was condemned. However, are you sure it's accurate to say this remorse was equivalent to true repentance? And if we do feel that Judas' remorse was equivalent to repentance, can we say conclusively that he wasn't forgiven? Jesus' first message in a preaching capacity was for people to "repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand". (Matthew 4:17) I've always felt that some sort of action was necessary to prove repentance... along the lines of John the Baptist telling people to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance. (John 3:8) Maybe it's our actions which show how genuine our 'repentance' truly is.

 

[pescador]

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God
Gal
5‬:[bless and do not curse]16-21

What does this mean in English?

 

[pescador]

Joshua wrote: "And both Peter and Judas repented (Mat 27:3-5)" Hi Joshua, I know that the Bible says Judas was 'remorseful' after seeing that he was condemned. However, are you sure it's accurate to say this remorse was equivalent to true repentance? And if we do feel that Judas' remorse was equivalent to repentance, can we say conclusively that he wasn't forgiven? Jesus' first message in a preaching capacity was for people to "repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand". (Matthew 4:17) I've always felt that some sort of action was necessary to prove repentance... along the lines of John the Baptist telling people to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance. (John 3:8) Maybe it's our actions which show how genuine our 'repentance' truly is.

Remorse is most definitely not repentance. Remorse is simply to feel badly about something that has happened. Repentance is a definite action which may or may not stem from remorse.

 

[joshuanazar]

Joshua wrote: "And both Peter and Judas repented (Mat 27:3-5)" Hi Joshua, I know that the Bible says Judas was 'remorseful' after seeing that he was condemned. However, are you sure it's accurate to say this remorse was equivalent to true repentance? And if we do feel that Judas' remorse was equivalent to repentance, can we say conclusively that he wasn't forgiven? Jesus' first message in a preaching capacity was for people to "repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand". (Matthew 4:17) I've always felt that some sort of action was necessary to prove repentance... along the lines of John the Baptist telling people to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance. (John 3:8) Maybe it's our actions which show how genuine our 'repentance' truly is.

In the kjv it uses the word repented. However this is not the same word in the Greek for true repentance. I think I go into more depth on these words in a previous post. As for proof of repentance. Remember that John was speaking to people without the Spirit. Who do we need to prove repentance to? True repentance allows us to do good works. We do it because we want to. If we try to do good for any other reason than because we just want to, even if it is trying to obey God or trying to please him, then we are not accepting that he died so we don't gave to try. We are not accepting his grace.

 

[rick357]

We are justified by the death of Christ because our old man dies with Him then just as God breathed life back into Jesus body he gives us His Spirit which is Him we share His life this is called grace as we trust Him to live through us he does what is natural to Him righteousness. If we see we are not living righteously then we know we have trusted in our self generated life instead of His life so we repent and trust Him to make us righteous byliving through us...for more detail see my current blog on Galatians at rrickrosamond2.blogspot.com and we can discuss any questions here

 

[lori milne]

What does this mean in English?

So I tell you, live the way the Spirit leads you. Then you will not do the evil things your sinful self wants. The sinful self wants what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit wants what is against the sinful self. They are always fighting against each other, so that you don’t do what you really want to do. But if you let the Spirit lead you, you are not under law. The wrong things the sinful self does are clear: committing sexual sin, being morally bad, doing all kinds of shameful things, worshiping false gods, taking part in witchcraft, hating people, causing trouble, being jealous, angry or selfish, causing people to argue and divide into separate groups, being filled with envy, getting drunk, having wild parties, and doing other things like this. I warn you now as I warned you before: The people who do these things will not have a part in God’s kingdom
Gal 5:16-21

 

[lori milne]

Remorse is most definitely not repentance. Remorse is simply to feel badly about something that has happened. Repentance is a definite action which may or may not stem from remorse.

repent

RE'PENT, a. L. repo, to creep.Creeping; as a repent root.

repentance

REPENT'ANCE, n.

1. Sorrow for any thing done or said; the pain or grief which a person experiences in consequence of the injury or inconvenience produced by his own conduct.

2. In theology, the pain, regret or affliction which a person feels on account of his past conduct, because it exposes him to punishment. This sorrow proceeding merely from the fear of punishment, is called legal repentance, as being excited by the terrors of legal penalties, and it may exist without an amendment of life.

 

[Dan61861]

Christ became our righteousness, as scripture says The Lord our Righteousness. Our salvation comes through His righteousness. He became the curse for us, by His stripes we are healed. We are but sinners, hoping in His mercy.

In Christ
Daniel

 

[Bramwell]

Joshua wrote: "If we try to do good for any other reason than because we just want to, even if it is trying to obey God or trying to please him, then we are not accepting that he died so we don't gave to try. We are not accepting his grace." Hi Joshua, I'm a bit confused by your statement here. Are you saying that, if we do good for any reason besides "just wanting to", then we are rejecting God's grace? Is it wrong to try to obey God, or to try to please Him? If you feel that way based on something from the Bible, can you please cite the relevant passages for that conclusion? Thanks.

 

[lori milne]

Salvation in the bible does not mean what most people are told.

Their is a core truth / believe in the bible that never involved salvation.



KJV Dictionary Definition: salvation

salvation

SALVA'TION, n. L. salvo, to save.

1. The act of saving; preservation from destruction, danger or great calamity.




Godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation. 2Cor. 7.

 

[lori milne]

Salvation in the bible does not mean what most people are told. Their is a core truth / believe in the bible that never involved salvation. KJV Dictionary Definition: salvation salvation SALVA'TION, n. L. salvo, to save. 1. The act of saving; preservation from destruction, danger or great calamity. Godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation. 2Cor. 7.

This def is what is in the bible

Jesus is our savor yes so he is are salvation but that doesn't mean internal inheritance
And if you think so look and search all you want You will never find it in the bible

Rapture is always spoken of as future
And salvation is also spoken of as future when it pertains to jesus coming returning

 

[lori milne]

Grace also doesn't mean what we were told "
In the bible it means favor in Gods eyes
And after being a sinner and confession you'll receive remission for sin
Then it will translate into un merited favor in Gods
Eyes



KJV Dictionary Definition: grace

grace

GRACE, n. L. gratia, which is formed on the Celtic; Eng. agree, congruous, and ready. The primary sense of gratus, is free, ready, quick, willing, prompt, from advancing.

1. Favor; good will; kindness; disposition to oblige another; as a grant made as an act of grace.

Or each, or all, may win a lady's grace.

My grace is sufficient for thee. 2 Cor.12.

4. The application of Christ's righteousness to the sinner.

Where sin abounded, grace did much more abound. Rom.5.

5. A state of reconciliation to God. Rom.5.2.

6. Virtuous or religious affection or disposition, as a liberal disposition, faith, meekness, humility, patience, &c. proceeding from divine influence.

7. Spiritual instruction, improvement and edification. Eph.4.29.

8. Apostleship, or the qualifications of an apostle. Eph. 3.8.

9. Eternal life; final salvation. 1 Pet.1.13.

10. Favor; mercy; pardon.

Bow and sue for grace

With suppliant knee.

 

[BryanW92]

Jesus is our savor yes so he is are salvation but that doesn't mean internal inheritance

What is "internal inheritance"?

 

[lori milne]

What is "internal inheritance"?

It is what God has planned for you

 

[lori milne]

It is what God has planned for you

Eternal lol sorry just got that