Did salvation take out replace righteousness

[lori milne]

Is it Righteousness through Faith is then the
promise and hope of salvation?
Doesn't RIGHTEOUSNESS Mean
1. Purity of heart and rectitude of life; conformity of heart and life to the divine law. Righteousness, as used in Scripture and theology, in which it is chiefly used, is nearly equivalent to holiness, comprehending holy principles and affections of heart, and conformity of life to the divine law. It includes all we call justice, honesty and virtue, with holy affections; in short, it is true religion.

2. Applied to God, the perfection or holiness of his nature; exact rectitude; faithfulness.

3. The active and passive obedience of Christ, by which the law of God is fulfilled. Daniel 9.

4. Justice; equity between man and man. Luke 1.

5. The cause of our justification.

The Lord our righteousness. Jer. 23.

Then this verse if so is correct !! Amen
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him
Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]9‬ KJV
And this one as well correct !' Amen
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
Romans‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]10‬ KJV

Why then do 99% of all Christians today believe salvation is a safe carpet ride through a sin full life covered by grace all the way to heaven?!!

This is an OSAS false theology

 

[BryanW92]

5. The cause of our justification.

The Lord our righteousness. Jer. 23.

The definition in the OP is from the 1828 Noah Webster Dictionary

Webster was a strong Calvinist and would disagree with your interpretation of his definition. #5 is the key to understanding grace.

"Webster in early life was something of a freethinker, but in 1808 he became a convert to Calvinistic orthodoxy, and thereafter became a devout Congregationalist who preached the need to Christianize the nation."
- Snyder, K. Alan. Defining Noah Webster: Mind and Morals in the Early Republic. (1990). 421 pp.

 

[lori milne]

The definition in the OP is from the 1828 Noah Webster Dictionary Webster was a strong Calvinist and would disagree with your interpretation of his definition. #5 is the key to understanding grace. "Webster in early life was something of a freethinker, but in 1808 he became a convert to Calvinistic orthodoxy, and thereafter became a devout Congregationalist who preached the need to Christianize the nation." - Snyder, K. Alan. Defining Noah Webster: Mind and Morals in the Early Republic. (1990). 421 pp.

Calvinism is a THEOLOGY the bible isn't
The def I used was from the kjv dictionary
So that alone should be a big obvious answer to you on which is correct

 

[Bramwell]

Hi Lori,

You may want to question just how 'obvious' the answer is in relation to what Bryan shared. If it was truly obvious, then there's probably no need for you to point that out. And if Bryan hasn't arrived at the same conclusion as yourself, then you calling it 'obvious' may come across as a bit condescending or offensive.

Anyway, I agree with your statement that Calvinism is a theology while the Bible isn't. Ultimately our righteous comes in our recognition of our own lack of righteousness. Thanks to the sacrificial blood of Christ, we can be made righteous (even though we don't deserve it).

Praise God for Jesus!

 

[BryanW92]

Calvinism is a THEOLOGY the bible isn't
The def I used was from the kjv dictionary
So that alone should be a big obvious answer to you on which is correct

Since King James did not commission the writing of a dictionary, it is likely that your dictionary was written after the 1828 Webster. So, your dictionary is plagiarizing (because the quote is word for word), which is stealing, which is the violation of a commandment. I'd get rid of that evil book.

Of course Calvinism is a theology. EVERYONE has a theology, even the bible-only folks. Theology is "knowledge of God". Do you have a knowledge of God? If so, then you have a theology.

Now, some theologies are simply wrong due to willful misreading or simple ignorance. Calvinism is a theology that has stood the test of time for almost 5 centuries and spanning all continents. It is a mature theology that has been studied, debated, researched, and vetted repeatedly. The Institutes of Christian Religion is thousands of pages long and is a well-researched work with all the citations in scripture provided.

Now, compare that to some "bible-reader" who disagrees. Should anyone believe your knowledge of God which is based on your claim that "I read the bible and I fully understand it" or should I believe someone who took the time to put it all down on paper for posterity to read and understand in its fullness?

Keep in mind that I was not always a Calvinist and that most of the arguments against Calvinism are based on a misunderstanding of Calvinism. I actually became a Calvinist after I studied Calvinism in the words of Calvinists to better understand why it was wrong. I found myself in the same shoes as atheist Lee Strobel who set out to disprove the existence of Jesus and was converted and saved by what he discovered and then wrote The Case for Christ.

 

[lori milne]

Since King James did not commission the writing of a dictionary, it is likely that your dictionary was written after the 1828 Webster. So, your dictionary is plagiarizing (because the quote is word for word), which is stealing, which is the violation of a commandment. I'd get rid of that evil book. Of course Calvinism is a theology. EVERYONE has a theology, even the bible-only folks. Theology is "knowledge of God". Do you have a knowledge of God? If so, then you have a theology. Now, some theologies are simply wrong due to willful misreading or simple ignorance. Calvinism is a theology that has stood the test of time for almost 5 centuries and spanning all continents. It is a mature theology that has been studied, debated, researched, and vetted repeatedly. The Institutes of Christian Religion is thousands of pages long and is a well-researched work with all the citations in scripture provided. Now, compare that to some "bible-reader" who disagrees. Should anyone believe your knowledge of God which is based on your claim that "I read the bible and I fully understand it" or should I believe someone who took the time to put it all down on paper for posterity to read and understand in its fullness? Keep in mind that I was not always a Calvinist and that most of the arguments against Calvinism are based on a misunderstanding of Calvinism. I actually became a Calvinist after I studied Calvinism in the words of Calvinists to better understand why it was wrong. I found myself in the same shoes as atheist Lee Strobel who set out to disprove the existence of Jesus and was converted and saved by what he discovered and then wrote The Case for Christ.

M

Theory is like the same as an educated guess
Not factually proven
Like Darwin's theory
The bible was written way before Webster or even John Calvin himself .

The bible has different def because it's the words used in the Bible so if I were to look up salvation i Webster It won't give me the Bibles usage for the word which is the only def I truly want " what the Bible says it means not a theory or secular def
Just the bible man.

How then am I supposed to understand what scripture says if I'm using the assumed meaning of the word?
don't I want to use the words meanings from their source or Origen?

I'm good with the bible unless your selling Webster dictionary ?

 

[lori milne]

Since King James did not commission the writing of a dictionary, it is likely that your dictionary was written after the 1828 Webster. So, your dictionary is plagiarizing (because the quote is word for word), which is stealing, which is the violation of a commandment. I'd get rid of that evil book. Of course Calvinism is a theology. EVERYONE has a theology, even the bible-only folks. Theology is "knowledge of God". Do you have a knowledge of God? If so, then you have a theology. Now, some theologies are simply wrong due to willful misreading or simple ignorance. Calvinism is a theology that has stood the test of time for almost 5 centuries and spanning all continents. It is a mature theology that has been studied, debated, researched, and vetted repeatedly. The Institutes of Christian Religion is thousands of pages long and is a well-researched work with all the citations in scripture provided. Now, compare that to some "bible-reader" who disagrees. Should anyone believe your knowledge of God which is based on your claim that "I read the bible and I fully understand it" or should I believe someone who took the time to put it all down on paper for posterity to read and understand in its fullness? Keep in mind that I was not always a Calvinist and that most of the arguments against Calvinism are based on a misunderstanding of Calvinism. I actually became a Calvinist after I studied Calvinism in the words of Calvinists to better understand why it was wrong. I found myself in the same shoes as atheist Lee Strobel who set out to disprove the existence of Jesus and was converted and saved by what he discovered and then wrote The Case for Christ.

Here's is the 1913
web dic def of theory
If you hadn't looked yet


The´o`ry
n. 1. A doctrine, or scheme of things, which terminates in speculation or contemplation, without a view to practice; hypothesis; speculation.
2. An exposition of the general or abstract principles of any science; as, the theory of music.
3. The science, as distinguished from the art; as, the theoryand practice of medicine.
4. The philosophical explanation of phenomena, either physical or moral; as, Lavoisier's theory of combustion; Adam Smith's theory of moral sentiments.
Atomic theory
etc. See under Atomic, Binary, etc.

 

[lori milne]

Since King James did not commission the writing of a dictionary, it is likely that your dictionary was written after the 1828 Webster. So, your dictionary is plagiarizing (because the quote is word for word), which is stealing, which is the violation of a commandment. I'd get rid of that evil book. Of course Calvinism is a theology. EVERYONE has a theology, even the bible-only folks. Theology is "knowledge of God". Do you have a knowledge of God? If so, then you have a theology. Now, some theologies are simply wrong due to willful misreading or simple ignorance. Calvinism is a theology that has stood the test of time for almost 5 centuries and spanning all continents. It is a mature theology that has been studied, debated, researched, and vetted repeatedly. The Institutes of Christian Religion is thousands of pages long and is a well-researched work with all the citations in scripture provided. Now, compare that to some "bible-reader" who disagrees. Should anyone believe your knowledge of God which is based on your claim that "I read the bible and I fully understand it" or should I believe someone who took the time to put it all down on paper for posterity to read and understand in its fullness? Keep in mind that I was not always a Calvinist and that most of the arguments against Calvinism are based on a misunderstanding of Calvinism. I actually became a Calvinist after I studied Calvinism in the words of Calvinists to better understand why it was wrong. I found myself in the same shoes as atheist Lee Strobel who set out to disprove the existence of Jesus and was converted and saved by what he discovered and then wrote The Case for Christ.

If you studied Calvinism didn't you look to see ware the man John Calvin came from
Or his true believes are

Jesus teachings are clear as day.

I don't need someone's theology taking away my accountability to sin and screwing me up to think I can live in unconfessed/ un repented sin and still go to heaven.

That is a lucifarian doctrine and no thank you

Find out who John Calvin's God was and you'll see yours!

 

[BryanW92]

M

Theory is like the same as an educated guess
Not factually proven
Like Darwin's theory
The bible was written way before Webster or even John Calvin himself .

The bible has different def because it's the words used in the Bible so if I were to look up salvation i Webster It won't give me the Bibles usage for the word which is the only def I truly want " what the Bible says it means not a theory or secular def
Just the bible man.

How then am I supposed to understand what scripture says if I'm using the assumed meaning of the word?
don't I want to use the words meanings from their source or Origen?

I'm good with the bible unless your selling Webster dictionary ?

Huh? Theology is not theory. Although the words look the same to you, they are not. If you read the bible and draw a conclusion from anything you read, then you have created a theology, or soteriology, or christology. These are YOUR understandings. If you read the bible and do not create a theology, then you learned nothing except a quote that you can use on a bumper sticker or as a proof text in a poorly-crafted apologetic or argument.

I feel sorry for "bible-readers" who refuse to understand the need to COMPREHEND the bible and not just to read it.

I hate to tell you this, but unless you read Hebrew and Greek, the WORDS in the bible are not the words written originally. They aren't even direct translations. They are the words of men and women who could read and understand Hebrew and Greek, and they did their translation with their own theology acting as a filter. So, for people who "don't listen to the words of men, but only the word of God", you have failed to do that because even your KJV bible is the words of men.

But, we trust that the Holy Spirit guides those who precedes us the leadership of the church and shape our present knowledge of God, such as Calvin or the translators of the KJV bible.

 

[BryanW92]

If you studied Calvinism didn't you look to see ware the man John Calvin came from
Or his true believes are

Jesus teachings are clear as day.

I don't need someone's theology taking away my accountability to sin and screwing me up to think I can live in unconfessed/ un repented sin and still go to heaven.

That is a lucifarian doctrine and no thank you

Find out who John Calvin's God was and you'll see yours!

John Calvin's God is John Wesley's God is Billy Graham's God is my God and is your God. God never changes. We just see him from a slightly different angle.

Calvinists believe in accountability, confession, and repentance. Its a shame that you are too close-minded to even listen and its a shame that you really don't have a good understanding of what you even believe.

After I became a Calvinist, I sat down with a very good friend who a retired Methodist pastor and we talked about the differences between Calvinism and Arminianism. We discovered that the only difference is in the timeline and that is God's work, so its not worth fighting over.

Since your posts are little more than cut and pastes from the works of others, you really should stop telling people what they believe and start figuring out what you really believe. When you can put it in your own words, then you might have some cause to start teaching.

 

[lori milne]

John Calvin's God is John Wesley's God is Billy Graham's God is my God and is your God. God never changes. We just see him from a slightly different angle. Calvinists believe in accountability, confession, and repentance. Its a shame that you are too close-minded to even listen and its a shame that you really don't have a good understanding of what you even believe. After I became a Calvinist, I sat down with a very good friend who a retired Methodist pastor and we talked about the differences between Calvinism and Arminianism. We discovered that the only difference is in the timeline and that is God's work, so its not worth fighting over. Since your posts are little more than cut and pastes from the works of others, you really should stop telling people what they believe and start figuring out what you really believe. When you can put it in your own words, then you might have some cause to start teaching.

I don't know John Wesley but the other two They were 33 degree free masons
So no not the God of Abraham
You must study facts you find not what some one wants you to believe

 

[St_Worm2]

If you studied Calvinism didn't you look to see ware the man John Calvin came from Or his true believes are

Hi Lori, Calvin doesn't have "true believers" or even "devotees". Calvinists call themselves that because we tend to agree with most of his understanding of the Bible and the faith. That's all. We don't worship him, nor are we devoted to him. We don't even "worship" his theology. It is through him however that we have the best systematic description of what it means to be "Protestant", whether or not you agree with the soteriological portion of his overall theology or not.

Have you ever read anything by Calvin? Do you know what he actually taught or personally believed? Or have you only read what his detractors have said about him on the Internet?

Do you know that Calvin doesn't teach OSAS? I know you do because I've told you that before. Calvinists believe in the Biblical teaching of "Perseverance of the Saints", not what you define as OSAS. As I've also told you before, there are FAR, FAR MORE non-Calvinists who believe they are eternally secure in their faith than there are Calvinists who do (simply because there are so many more non-Calvinists living today).

In an earlier post you wrote:

Why then do 99% of all Christians today believe salvation is a safe carpet ride through a sin full life covered by grace all the way to heaven?!!

But then you wrote:

Jesus teachings are clear as day.

So which is it?

Quite frankly, if "99% of all Christians" believe something, then either the 1% is wrong and 99% are right, or Jesus' teachings are ANYTHING BUT "clear as day" ..

Maybe you should set aside your presuppositions, at least momentarily, and revisit WHY the 99% believe what they do .. (just make sure you understand what that actually is, of course)

Lastly, you said "99% of all Christians today believe salvation is a safe carpet ride through a sin full life covered by grace all the way to heaven".

Where are you getting this stuff from .. I've been a Christian for almost 30 years and I have never met a true Christian yet, from any church or denomination, NOT ONE, who believes what you just wrote (for themselves or for anyone else). Do you know anyone "personally" who truly believes this? If so, please have them join us here at CF because I would love to talk to them ..

Thanks!

Yours and His,
David

“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and
of all that He has given Me I lose nothing,
but raise it up on the last day."
John 6:37 & 39​

 

[lori milne]

Hi Lori, Calvin doesn't have "true believers" or even "devotees". Calvinists call themselves that because we tend to agree with most of his understanding of the Bible and the faith. That's all. We don't worship him, nor are we devoted to him. We don't even "worship" his theology. It is through him however that we have the best systematic description of what it means to be "Protestant", whether or not you agree with the soteriological portion of his overall theology or not. Have you ever read anything by Calvin? Do you know what he actually taught or personally believed? Or have you only read what his detractors have said about him on the Internet? Do you know that Calvin doesn't teach OSAS? I know you do because I've told you that before. Calvinists believe in the Biblical teaching of "Perseverance of the Saints", not what you define as OSAS. As I've also told you before, there are FAR, FAR MORE non-Calvinists who believe they are eternally secure in their faith than there are Calvinists who do (simply because there are so many more non-Calvinists living today). In an earlier post you wrote: But then you wrote: So which is it? Quite frankly, if "99% of all Christians" believe something, then either the 1% is wrong and 99% are right, or Jesus' teachings are ANYTHING BUT "clear as day" .. Maybe you should set aside your presuppositions, at least momentarily, and revisit WHY the 99% believe what they do .. (just make sure you understand what that actually is, of course) Lastly, you said "99% of all Christians today believe salvation is a safe carpet ride through a sin full life covered by grace all the way to heaven". Where are you getting this stuff from .. I've been a Christian for almost 30 years and I have never met a true Christian yet, from any church or denomination, NOT ONE, who believes what you just wrote (for themselves or for anyone else). Do you know anyone "personally" who truly believes this? If so, please have them join us here at CF because I would love to talk to them .. Thanks! Yours and His, David “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day." John 6:37 & 39

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves
Matthew‬ [bless and do not curse]7‬:[bless and do not curse]13-15‬ KJV

 

[lori milne]

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves Matthew‬ [bless and do not curse]7‬:[bless and do not curse]13-15‬ KJV

That was referencing the 99%

 

[Alithis]

to get to the crux of it ... Christian life is not a carpet ride on a sin fulled life with grace . or however you put it .

if we continue in sin.. then we are not allowing the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit..we are resisting it we are rebelling against it and behaving as the children of "disobedience" .

 

[joshuanazar]

This thread is getting a little heated and is starting to look very unlike Christ. I have a few things to say.
1. I do not know what Calvinists believe. All I know is what I believe. I am a "bible reader" as you call it. I know that I do not fully understand the Bible, I believe that is an impossibility. But what I have understood with the Spirit over abundant help I believe 100%
2. I think that 99% that believe in a carpet ride is an over exaggeration. I believe OSAS is wrong.
3. I believe that our righteousness is filthy rags and always will be. By faith in Jesus' amazing grace we put on his perfect righteousness. When God sees me he does not see any sin, he see only the right standing of Christ.
4. I believe salvation and a relationship in God is not a series of actions, but an attitude towards God that reveals itself in my actions. As long as my heart is focused on God and I hate the sin that tries to separate us, then we have a relationship and his grace covers every sin.
5.(THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I CAN SIN) Remember I hate sin with my whole being, so why would I consciously do it? I believe that when people that were once saved start loving themselves more than God, they start loving their sin and start hating God. Or start loving a self-righteous law (filthy rag law) and begin to hate his grace and in effect God himself. Then the person has fallen from grace and grace cannot cover their sin because they will not allow it to.
6. We need to stop seeing the differences in what we are and start seeing the similarities. We are all loved by God beyond anything that we can comprehend.

I believe all of this with everything that I am. (Oh, and by the way, Pilgrim's Progress written by John Bunyan in the late 1600s has a very interest part about righteousness).

 

[lori milne]

This thread is getting a little heated and is starting to look very unlike Christ. I have a few things to say. 1. I do not know what Calvinists believe. All I know is what I believe. I am a "bible reader" as you call it. I know that I do not fully understand the Bible, I believe that is an impossibility. But what I have understood with the Spirit over abundant help I believe 100% 2. I think that 99% that believe in a carpet ride is an over exaggeration. I believe OSAS is wrong. 3. I believe that our righteousness is filthy rags and always will be. By faith in Jesus' amazing grace we put on his perfect righteousness. When God sees me he does not see any sin, he see only the right standing of Christ. 4. I believe salvation and a relationship in God is not a series of actions, but an attitude towards God that reveals itself in my actions. As long as my heart is focused on God and I hate the sin that tries to separate us, then we have a relationship and his grace covers every sin. 5.(THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I CAN SIN) Remember I hate sin with my whole being, so why would I consciously do it? I believe that when people that were once saved start loving themselves more than God, they start loving their sin and start hating God. Or start loving a self-righteous law (filthy rag law) and begin to hate his grace and in effect God himself. Then the person has fallen from grace and grace cannot cover their sin because they will not allow it to. 6. We need to stop seeing the differences in what we are and start seeing the similarities. We are all loved by God beyond anything that we can comprehend. I believe all of this with everything that I am. (Oh, and by the way, Pilgrim's Progress written by John Bunyan in the late 1600s has a very interest part about righteousness).

Some of the key CALV and OSAS words
Are saved by grace. And salvation .

Salvation is a sorta protection or guarantee to heaven regardless if they sin and regardless if they repent .
Grace covers sins instead of CHRIST blood
And acts as a remission for any sin unrepented,

The fear of God is an insult almost they look at that as something of what the phrases did.

All sins are covered current future past according to the CALV & OSAS theology and

The word of God is contrary to that in
Romans 3:25 kjv
This verse speaks of the blood not grace covered sins that are repented of And the the remission of sin is implemented on PAST sins.

The bible speaks also about righteousness is obtain through faith and is the only way to obtain grace or Being in Gods favor
Reason is true righteousness puts you in the spirit and being in the spirit is what produces the fruit of the spirit and with that you can not produce bad fruit.
Bad tree bad fruit good tree good fruit.



This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit
Galatians‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]16-22, 24-25‬ KJV

This is only one of the many teachings on true faith.

I like to word search by what the BIBLES meaning is in a balanced out manner.
And read all the versus and chapters on
Certain power words that typically misused
Like grace and righteousness

 

[lori milne]

This thread is getting a little heated and is starting to look very unlike Christ. I have a few things to say. 1. I do not know what Calvinists believe. All I know is what I believe. I am a "bible reader" as you call it. I know that I do not fully understand the Bible, I believe that is an impossibility. But what I have understood with the Spirit over abundant help I believe 100% 2. I think that 99% that believe in a carpet ride is an over exaggeration. I believe OSAS is wrong. 3. I believe that our righteousness is filthy rags and always will be. By faith in Jesus' amazing grace we put on his perfect righteousness. When God sees me he does not see any sin, he see only the right standing of Christ. 4. I believe salvation and a relationship in God is not a series of actions, but an attitude towards God that reveals itself in my actions. As long as my heart is focused on God and I hate the sin that tries to separate us, then we have a relationship and his grace covers every sin. 5.(THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I CAN SIN) Remember I hate sin with my whole being, so why would I consciously do it? I believe that when people that were once saved start loving themselves more than God, they start loving their sin and start hating God. Or start loving a self-righteous law (filthy rag law) and begin to hate his grace and in effect God himself. Then the person has fallen from grace and grace cannot cover their sin because they will not allow it to. 6. We need to stop seeing the differences in what we are and start seeing the similarities. We are all loved by God beyond anything that we can comprehend. I believe all of this with everything that I am. (Oh, and by the way, Pilgrim's Progress written by John Bunyan in the late 1600s has a very interest part about righteousness).

I so agree on how heated these get I start the threads and not a lot of CALV or OSAS talk to me in a open minded way they come at me like I'm stupid and need to read the bible? I get a lot of you have a false idea of salvation or Grace Well base my Faith on the Word of God off of not theology but of my own search and personal relationship with God

 

[joshuanazar]

Some of the key CALV and OSAS words
Are saved by grace. And salvation .

Salvation is a sorta protection or guarantee to heaven regardless if they sin and regardless if they repent .
Grace covers sins instead of CHRIST blood
And acts as a remission for any sin unrepented,

The fear of God is an insult almost they look at that as something of what the phrases did.

All sins are covered current future past according to the CALV & OSAS theology and

The word of God is contrary to that in
Romans 3:25 kjv
This verse speaks of the blood not grace covered sins that are repented of And the the remission of sin is implemented on PAST sins.

The bible speaks also about righteousness is obtain through faith and is the only way to obtain grace or Being in Gods favor
Reason is true righteousness puts you in the spirit and being in the spirit is what produces the fruit of the spirit and with that you can not produce bad fruit.
Bad tree bad fruit good tree good fruit.



This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit
Galatians‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]16-22, 24-25‬ KJV

This is only one of the many teachings on true faith.

I like to word search by what the BIBLES meaning is in a balanced out manner.
And read all the versus and chapters on
Certain power words that typically misused
Like grace and righteousness

Hello, I have highlighted a few things that you said in red, and I would like to discuss these things. First, saved by grace and salvation are bible words. Grace is the favor of God bestowed upon us when we can never deserve it, only because he loves us. That said it is only because of his grace that Jesus came and bled on the cross for us. We did not earn his sacrifice. So in that way, grace does cover our sins. The bible says that love covers a multitude of sin. Again, his love is his grace because we do not deserve it.

Second, while on the cross Jesus did pay for our sins past, present, and future. Not only did he forgive them but he then forgot them. Yes, I am saying that Jesus Christ the Son of God has already forgiven and forgotten any future sin. (Again, I do not believe in OSAS). But when Jesus said "it is finished," he meant it is finished; everything, finished. Hebrews says that unlike the other priests, Jesus only had to offer himself once. SIN NO LONGER SEPARATES US FROM GOD, UNBELIEF DOES.

It somewhat sounds like you're saying that being righteous is the only way to obtain God's favor. If you are not saying that then I apologize. But both righteousness and grace come to us through our faith or through our believing that God has given them to us. See how whether or not we have a relationship with God really comes down to believing or not believing? Everything has been paid for. But, do you believe that it is paid for?

I'm going to be honest because I want you to seriously consider this. But it appears from all of your posts that you have developed your own religion. From your posts it seems as if you are saying that from You studying the bible and nothing else, that you believe that by working to show these fruits of the Spirit that you will obtain righteousness. And with righteousness you will earn God's favor and go to heaven. The bible says that if we walk in the Spirit we will develop these fruits. But it also says that unless the branch abides in the vine it can produce no fruit. It really sounds as if you are relying on your own knowledge of the bible and your own ability to please God. I do not subscribe to any theology or denomination. I only follow what the bible says. But I cannot rely on my own knowledge of it. I can only rely on what the Spirit shows me. I am not saying this to argue but so that you can reflect. If I am wrong then forgive me, but I do not believe that to be the case.

 

[lori milne]

Hello, I have highlighted a few things that you said in red, and I would like to discuss these things. First, saved by grace and salvation are bible words. Grace is the favor of God bestowed upon us when we can never deserve it, only because he loves us. That said it is only because of his grace that Jesus came and bled on the cross for us. We did not earn his sacrifice. So in that way, grace does cover our sins. The bible says that love covers a multitude of sin. Again, his love is his grace because we do not deserve it. Second, while on the cross Jesus did pay for our sins past, present, and future. Not only did he forgive them but he then forgot them. Yes, I am saying that Jesus Christ the Son of God has already forgiven and forgotten any future sin. (Again, I do not believe in OSAS). But when Jesus said "it is finished," he meant it is finished; everything, finished. Hebrews says that unlike the other priests, Jesus only had to offer himself once. SIN NO LONGER SEPARATES US FROM GOD, UNBELIEF DOES. It somewhat sounds like you're saying that being righteous is the only way to obtain God's favor. If you are not saying that then I apologize. But both righteousness and grace come to us through our faith or through our believing that God has given them to us. See how whether or not we have a relationship with God really comes down to believing or not believing? Everything has been paid for. But, do you believe that it is paid for? I'm going to be honest because I want you to seriously consider this. But it appears from all of your posts that you have developed your own religion. From your posts it seems as if you are saying that from You studying the bible and nothing else, that you believe that by working to show these fruits of the Spirit that you will obtain righteousness. And with righteousness you will earn God's favor and go to heaven. The bible says that if we walk in the Spirit we will develop these fruits. But it also says that unless the branch abides in the vine it can produce no fruit. It really sounds as if you are relying on your own knowledge of the bible and your own ability to please God. I do not subscribe to any theology or denomination. I only follow what the bible says. But I cannot rely on my own knowledge of it. I can only rely on what the Spirit shows me. I am not saying this to argue but so that you can reflect. If I am wrong then forgive me, but I do not believe that to be the case.

I appreciate your post and do agree with a lot of what you've said except 1 thing was told to you in error about Romans 3:25 It's only past sins Are only differences are accountability I believe we are accountable for all of are unrepented sins.bit once we repent we are forgive. & your red underlines passage to me about righteousness through faith that gives you Grace " favor in Gods eyes" Amen !! Your very smart in the word and truly the first to really get Gods grace I am not op to learning new scripture and encourage you to please continue sending stuff to me as I am on a Major search for the truth on True FAITH Thanks Stay in Gods favor