Did Paul consider himself a "sinner", are we supposed to think of ourselves as sinners...?

JIMINZ · Oct 31, 2017

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genez said:
You are confusing the forgiveness for sins, with there being no consequences at all for sins.

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Not at all, the Forgiveness of Sins means,
there isn't any Consequence for Sins.

GenemZ · Oct 31, 2017

JIMINZ said:
Not at all, the Forgiveness of Sins means,
there isn't any Consequence for Sins.

Yes....But, only after they are forgiven.

And, they will always be forgiven when we are obedient to what 1 John 1:9 tells the believer.

"If we confess/admit to our sins, he is faithful and just and
will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

It says, He is faithful and just. That means? God will ALWAYS forgive when we name our sins to Him. That is why we now have entered into the realm of having our sins forgiven once we become born again!

JIMINZ · Oct 31, 2017

Rom. 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Rom. 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Gal. 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

When SIN is Condemned in the Flesh by God, and someone is Dead to the Flesh through Jesus, how does someone who is DEAD to the Flesh, Sin?

GenemZ · Oct 31, 2017

JIMINZ said:
Rom. 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

That was a declaration for them to test themselves with. For, Christ is not in every believer at all times!

Revelation 3:19-20

"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten (why? because they sin
and have yet to acknowledge their sins). Therefore be zealous and
repent.

Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice
and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and
he with Me. "

Jesus was standing OUTSIDE! That means, if they repent, Jesus will enter back in them and together they will dine on the Word of God once more! For we only have Jesus in us when we are having the Word made flesh in us in the power of the Spirit!

Jeremiah 15:16

"Your words were found, and I ate them,
And Your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart;
For I am called by Your name,
O Lord God of hosts."

Jesus comes inside and dines with us on the Word we eat and digest (making it become one with our being).

It all comes together if one does not shut their minds closed. Humility is the ability to be corrected.
The proud resist correction. Since His ways are not our ways? And, His thoughts are not our thoughts? We will all need to be corrected from time to time... God gives grace to only the humble believer. The proud He resists... Just like the proud resists the truth that opposes their hearts desire.

Neogaia777 · Oct 31, 2017

Could someone please tell me if we were able to answer the title question or not...?

Thanks.

God Bless!

GenemZ · Oct 31, 2017

Neogaia777 said:
Did Paul consider himself a "sinner"?, How many of which disciples/apostles think of themselves as sinners...? Are we supposed to think of ourselves or consider ourselves as sinners...? Even after we say we are saved...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Paul was to be a role model for all believers. Paul told us to be imitators of his example on how to think with God's Word. He said he was the chief of sinners. We at least should be able to accept that we are all sinners. Otherwise? We can become fat headed and delusional, totally out of touch with the world we are to be witnesses for Christ to..

"Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers,
for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. Therefore I urge you
to imitate me." (1 Corinthians 4:15-16)

Grace and peace.....

JIMINZ · Nov 1, 2017

1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul was clearly referring to the period of time when he persecuted the Church, not that he considered himself to be a sinner after becoming Saved himself.

Rom. 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

So "NO" Paul did not consider himself to be a sinner and neither should we.

GenemZ · Nov 1, 2017

JIMINZ said:
1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul was clearly referring to the period of time when he persecuted the Church, not that he considered himself to be a sinner after becoming Saved himself.

Rom. 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

So "NO" Paul did not consider himself to be a sinner and neither should we.

First of all... Paul did not say he "was" chief. He said he is!

You keep on creating a straw man.

We do not consider ourselves "sinners." We consider ourselves blood bought saints who know better than to think we can not sin. Period.

We need to be alert to always be growing in grace and truth. Careful not to get bogged down with some pet doctrine like the "I can't sin" crowd does. Never growing.

If a believer slips and sins? If he knows the Bible well enough, he knows to simply quickly implement 1 John 1:9, and keep moving! And, not to be standing still and bragging about how he does not sin anymore. That is a form of spiritual insanity.

If we could stop being capable of sinning? We would not have needed the Cross! Such a notion contradicts why the need for the Cross and the need for the blood to keep purifying us from all sin! If you could stop being able to sin, you would not need to be purified. THINK! (1 John 1:7)

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

If we no longer could sin? There would be no need for the blood of Jesus to cleanse us from all sin!!!!!!!!

If you think you can not sin? He have to be at a zenith of self righteousness.

When you get your resurrection body? Then you can make your present claim and be correct.

In the mean time. you are falling for a trap for certain passages by not knowing what the original languages tell us, and then cling to mere, insufficient English translations, on passages that will end up contradicting other passages..

If you want to learn the Bible accurately pray to find some (rare) church where the pastor studies and can teach you from the languages the Bible was written in.

Paul wrote to the Romans in chapter 7...

14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me."

If you never experienced that after you were saved? You might have nerve damage. No feeling. Dead inside...

20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me."

You can still choose to follow after your flesh. But, we can also choose not to. We no longer have to like we did before we were saved.

Curious. Did you ever sin before you were saved? I bet you think you are just not a sinner by nature. Right?

8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Ironically... You were sent here to temp believers to sin.

DennisTate · Nov 1, 2017

Neogaia777 said:
Did Paul consider himself a "sinner"?, How many of which disciples/apostles think of themselves as sinners...? Are we supposed to think of ourselves or consider ourselves as sinners...? Even after we say we are saved...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Did Cephas /Peter still fall into sins after his conversion?

Yes....... we are human..... and we learn from our mistakes.

Galatians 2:9 (KJV)

Gal 2:11

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But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

ToBeLoved · Nov 1, 2017

JIMINZ said:
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Not at all, the Forgiveness of Sins means,
there isn't any Consequence for Sins.

Let’s not confuse God bringing upon consequences with the natural consequences of sin in a fallen world.

I agree God does not punish us.

SBC · Nov 1, 2017

ToBeLoved said:
Let’s not confuse God bringing upon consequences with the natural consequences of sin in a fallen world.

I agree God does not punish us.

Let's not confuse - God forgives a mans sin for NOT believing in Him.

Does a man thereafter, in a natural world; revert to sin, and stop believing in Him?

God Bless,
SBC

SeventyOne · Nov 1, 2017

SBC said:
I disagree. Peter did not deny God. Peter denied men. Peter was blamed for denying men.

Gal 3
[12] For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

Peter ate with the Gentiles, then withdrew himself from the Gentiles, when the other disciples saw Peter. Peter feared what the other disciples would think of him, eating with the Gentiles.

It is not about Peter denying God. It was about Peter denying the Gentiles, for fear of what others might think.

The lesson is; Peter should have had no fear of eating with the Gentiles, or what others thought. Peter should have known; since Jesus did the same thing, and scolded the disciples for their disapproval.

The lesson is; A man in Christ, should not fear speaking to or dining with a man NOT in Christ. It is a golden opportunity for the man in Christ, to speak to a man NOT in Christ, about Christ.

And yes the other disciples scolded Peter, just as Jesus had scolded them for the same thing.

God Bless,
SBC

It also says Peter was guilty of hypocrisy, which is a sin.

GenemZ · Nov 1, 2017

Hello! You sinless ones! Those of you who never sin anymore? Ever read... 1 Timothy 5:19-20?

"Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning."

SBC · Nov 1, 2017

SeventyOne said:
It also says Peter was guilty of hypocrisy, which is a sin.

Does being a hypocrite mean you don't believe in God or stopped believing in God?

God Bless,
SBC

SBC · Nov 1, 2017

genez said:
Hello! You sinless ones! Those of you who never sin anymore? Ever read... 1 Timothy 5:19-20?

"Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning."

You should heed your own advise. You call others "sinless". False testifier.
Only Christ is sinless. False testifier!

God Bless,
SBC

SeventyOne · Nov 1, 2017

SBC said:
Does being a hypocrite mean you don't believe in God or stopped believing in God?

God Bless,
SBC

No, but it does mean one is a sinner.

SBC · Nov 1, 2017

SeventyOne said:
No, but it does mean one is a sinner.

So if a man is a hypocrite to another man; to whom is the man supposed to ask forgiveness?

God Bless,
SBC

SeventyOne · Nov 1, 2017

SBC said:
So if a man is a hypocrite to another man; to whom is the man supposed to ask forgiveness?

God Bless,
SBC

To the same one a man should ask forgiveness from if he murders another man. David did just this after taking Bathsheba and killing her husband, Uriah. He wronged those two people, but we discover the sin was actually against only God Himself, and not Uriah or Bathsheba.

Psalms 51:4 Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight, so that you may be justified in your words and blameless in your judgment.

Here we learn all sin is against God, so that He is justified in His judgement against such sin.

JIMINZ · Nov 1, 2017

SeventyOne said:
It also says Peter was guilty of hypocrisy, which is a sin.

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That's very Legalistic isn't it?
How many laws defining separate sins do you adhere to?...Over 600?

Rom. 7:2
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

Rom. 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Rom. 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

Scripture tell us.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;......WHY?
for (BECAUSE) his (GODS") seed remaineth in him:
and he cannot sin,.....WHY?
(BECAUSE) he is born of God.

JIMINZ · Nov 1, 2017

SeventyOne said:
It also says Peter was guilty of hypocrisy, which is a sin.

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Doesn't that mean, anyone claiming themselves to be Born of God and Freed from Sin by Jesus Christ and continue to sin are also Hypocrites?

Did Paul consider himself a "sinner", are we supposed to think of ourselves as sinners...?

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