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When the Lord "FORGAVE" you "SAVED" you and "QUICKENED" you and "DWELLS" within you...
ask yourself WHY.
If so... why would Paul use present tense "I am" when referring to himself as a sinner? He wasn't rebellious, we know that, but he also knew he could fall short because he... and us... still exist in a fallen state. We are not like Adam walking in the cool of the day with the Lord, but we 'will' be.
And don't misunderstand... I am not talking about the guy who witnessed to me in a bar 24 years ago while he downed 10 beers claiming, "I am forgiven for this." I am simply saying that while we aim at the proper target (the righteousness of God) we will simply, because we still exist in a fallen state, miss from time to time. That miss may come in the form of an overly emotional reaction to something or someone, judgement that enters the realm of condemning, and so forth. Things that are unintentional but still are not perfectly line with His will.
What you have in the Spirit today is a downpayment toward more to come. Just go look at 2 Cor. 1:22 and 5:5... the Spirit is very plainly called an earnest, down payment or deposit depending on your translation. There is more to come!I am (present tense), probably because of his previous persecution of the Christians. He was presently the same man that did that and always would be, but he wasn't doing that anymore was he? Paul is the same person that also wrote we are dead to sin, and no longer in the flesh if we walk in the Spirit, which he now did. The Spirit makes all the difference, and without the Spirit we will always be in the flesh/carnality.
But what does ‘dead to sin’ really mean?I am (present tense), probably because of his previous persecution of the Christians. He was presently the same man that did that and always would be, but he wasn't doing that anymore was he? Paul is the same person that also wrote we are dead to sin, and no longer in the flesh if we walk in the Spirit, which he now did. The Spirit makes all the difference, and without the Spirit we will always be in the flesh/carnality.
so your argument is that Paul uses the present tense to describe a previous tense?I am (present tense), probably because of his previous persecution of the Christians. He was presently the same man that did that and always would be, but he wasn't doing that anymore was he? Paul is the same person that also wrote we are dead to sin, and no longer in the flesh if we walk in the Spirit, which he now did. The Spirit makes all the difference, and without the Spirit we will always be in the flesh/carnality.
What you have in the Spirit today is a downpayment toward more to come. Just go look at 2 Cor. 1:22 and 5:5... the Spirit is very plainly called an earnest, down payment or deposit depending on your translation. There is more to come!
But what does ‘dead to sin’ really mean?
Paul is not saying we don’t sin. Paul could have come straight out and said that.
What does it mean to be spiritually dead? Spiritual death is not having God. God doesn’t remove our relationship with Him when we sin.
You just don’t understand what Paul was saying.
Paul is saying we are dead to the consequences of spiritual death. Removal from God
So you are saying that we commit sins that we never know we do?John said a Christian doesn't commit (willful) sin. But we all sin unknown sins even when we are walking in the Spirit, and the blood of Jesus cleanses them.
so your argument is that Paul uses the present tense to describe a previous tense?
Paul was educated. He knew language and writing well.
So you are saying that we commit sins that we never know we do?
I don’t think God doll divides sin into this willful sin vs non willful sin.
Man conveniently does that. In the OT they were held accountable for sin. Period.
Now are you saying God changed? Please share all the verses that delineate sin by willful vs non Willful.
I know very few verses that even talk about that subject
God’s Word has been written on our hearts and He leads us in Truth and spiritual understanding. The Holy Spirit places on our hearts a desire to do God’s will in our conscience and spirit, but doesn’t prevent us from having our own free will tochoose. We still choose and do not always make the choice that is Holy. Jesus’ choices, all were Holy.So, Paul was saying the Holy Spirit he was given had no power over sin?
WHY?........ because HE loved me and died for me before I even knew Him. Died for me, not because He knew I would accept His substitutional death, but so that I could accept it IF I choose to accept it.
not because He knew I would accept His substitutional death
God’s Word has been written on our hearts and He leads us in Truth and spiritual understanding. The Holy Spirit places on our hearts a desire to do God’s will in our conscience and spirit, but doesn’t prevent us from having our own free will tochoose. We still choose and do not always make the choice that is Holy. Jesus’ choices, all were Holy.
Old Covenant.Yes, God does, and in the OT as well. Presumptuous sin is willful sin.
Numbers 15
Laws Concerning Unintentional Sin
22 ‘If you sin unintentionally, and do not observe all these commandments which the Lord has spoken to Moses— 23 all that the Lord has commanded you by the hand of Moses, from the day the Lord gave commandment and onward throughout your generations— 24 then it will be, if it is unintentionally committed, without the knowledge of the congregation, that the whole congregation shall offer one young bull as a burnt offering, as a sweet aroma to the Lord, with its grain offering and its drink offering, according to the ordinance, and one kid of the goats as a sin offering. 25 So the priest shall make atonement for the whole congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them, for it was unintentional; they shall bring their offering, an offering made by fire to the Lord, and their sin offering before the Lord, for their unintended sin. 26 It shall be forgiven the whole congregation of the children of Israel and the stranger who dwells among them, because all the people did it unintentionally.
27 ‘And if a person sins unintentionally, then he shall bring a female goat in its first year as a sin offering. 28 So the priest shall make atonement for the person who sins unintentionally, when he sins unintentionally before the Lord, to make atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him. 29 You shall have one law for him who sins unintentionally, for him who is native-born among the children of Israel and for the stranger who dwells among them.
Law Concerning Presumptuous Sin
30 ‘But the person who does anything presumptuously, whether he is native-born or a stranger, that one brings reproach on the Lord, and he shall be cut off from among his people. 31 Because he has despised the word of the Lord, and has broken His commandment, that person shall be completely cut off; his guilt shall be upon him.’”
Penalty for Violating the Sabbath
32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
You are agreeing then? I said that Jesus died for me "not because He knew I would accept it"
Disagree. Trust the Truth.
1 John 3 [20] ...God ...knoweth all things.
John 16: [30] ... thou (Jesus) knowest all things.
It is you who didn't know!
God Bless,
SBC
I wish that were so.I certainly agree we have free will, but the desire to sin has been broken.
.But what does ‘dead to sin’ really mean?
Paul is not saying we don’t sin. Paul could have come straight out and said that.
What does it mean to be spiritually dead? Spiritual death is not having God. God doesn’t remove our relationship with Him when we sin.
You just don’t understand what Paul was saying.
Paul is saying we are dead to the consequences of spiritual death. Removal from God
.John said a Christian doesn't commit (willful) sin. But we all sin unknown sins even when we are walking in the Spirit, and the blood of Jesus cleanses them.
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