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Did Men Really Walk On The Moon?

  • Yes

    Votes: 87 84.5%
  • No. But all other space missions are real.

    Votes: 2 1.9%
  • No. And other space missions are fake too.

    Votes: 14 13.6%

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prodromos

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I know one thing for sure. And that is the ISS and the moon share a common trait, they both give off their own light and do not reflect the light of the sun.​
It is very sad that you believe something so easily proven false.
 
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Unless you use a telescope to look at the moon. Then you can see the surface is similar to the earth in many ways. The sun is a gas ball so it has no surface to look at. But the moon is rich in material details. The moon has no light from inside it. Without sun shining on it, it doesn't even glow. But when it is in the sky, it does light up the night.
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I thought they had discovered that the sun does actually have a surface.

The true nature of real science, is that nothing is written in stone and all theories can be challenged and what is considered to be truth is ever changing...

You may enjoy this article:

The surface of the Sun: The sun has a rigid iron surface located under the photosphere that is revealed by satellite imagery. The solar surface sits beneath the sun's visible photosphere and is electrically active.

In addition, there is now growing evidence from the field of heliosiesmology that the sun possesses a significant stratification layer at a very shallow depth from the top of the photosphere. This new data suggest that the stratified iron surface is covered by a relatively thin veneer of plasma layers.
 
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I thought they had discovered that the sun does actually have a surface.

The true nature of real science, is that nothing is written in stone and all theories can be challenged and what is considered to be truth is ever changing...

You may enjoy this article:

The surface of the Sun: The sun has a rigid iron surface located under the photosphere that is revealed by satellite imagery. The solar surface sits beneath the sun's visible photosphere and is electrically active.

In addition, there is now growing evidence from the field of heliosiesmology that the sun possesses a significant stratification layer at a very shallow depth from the top of the photosphere. This new data suggest that the stratified iron surface is covered by a relatively thin veneer of plasma layers.

That's... ridiculous. No, seriously, that's just nutso cuckoo. It's along the lines of saying the moon is made out of cheese. You're certainly not going to find that in any science textboook. Here, have a counter link:

The Photosphere - the "Surface" of the Sun | Center for Science Education (ucar.edu)
 
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I know one thing for sure. And that is the ISS and the moon share a common trait, they both give off their own light and do not reflect the light of the sun.
Have you ever noticed that offtimes the moon is not completely illuminated on all sides by the sun? Sometimes the left side, sometimes the right side.

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I know one thing for sure. And that is the ISS and the moon share a common trait, they both give off their own light and do not reflect the light of the sun.

I've never followed the ISS for more than 45 minutes but I know it would take a lot of power to keep it lit up.
 
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There really is no debate about this, there are only people who do not believe plainly stated verses about the moon. A created light created by God, to give light up on the earth.

Now if a person wants to debate, if the iss reflects the suns light and that is why it can be seen at night fine. Provide proof of this claim by nasa.
 
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That's... ridiculous. No, seriously, that's just nutso cuckoo. It's along the lines of saying the moon is made out of cheese. You're certainly not going to find that in any science textboook. Here, have a counter link:

The Photosphere - the "Surface" of the Sun | Center for Science Education (ucar.edu)
Did you even read the article?

I mean seriously.. do people just pick what science to believe now?

Secondly... My post clearly states "I thought they had discovered".
This statement clearly shows that I am inquiring about something. Not stating something as fact.
I then post an article discussing my inquiry.

Is this the way science is supposed to work.. Person A asks a question and person B just ridicules it as "ridiculous" without even looking at the data and evidence.

I guess we should just walk around shunning anything that goes against the norm and dismissing any new ideas..

At that rate.. doctors would still be punching a person in the chest to get their heart started.. Heaven forbid you actually shock them with paddles... that's ridiculous.
 
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Did you even read the article?

Sure. There's nothing wrong with bringing up new ideas. But if you had brought up an article saying the moon is made of cheese, and I looked it over and found it full of really bad attempts at science and lots of scientific words that were just slapped together to make it sound scientific, I'd call it ridiculous. Same with the surfaceofthesun article.

Now, if the article about a cheesy moon presented some sound science to back it up, I'd have to pay it some serious attention...
 
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Sure. There's nothing wrong with bringing up new ideas. But if you had brought up an article saying the moon is made of cheese, and I looked it over and found it full of really bad attempts at science and lots of scientific words that were just slapped together to make it sound scientific, I'd call it ridiculous. Same with the surfaceofthesun article.

Now, if the article about a cheesy moon presented some sound science to back it up, I'd have to pay it some serious attention...
When you find an article, writen by scientists, that states such a thing.. then your point would have a bit more validity.
 
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But if you had brought up an article saying the moon is made of cheese

Or that the craters were the results of electrical arc discharges ;)
I actually liked these guys, it was kinda beautiful when I first discovered them circa 2005 maybe.
Rubbish, but beautiful
They aren't even on wikipedia anymore. Wow. What do you have to do to get deleted from wikipedia lol.

The People Who Believe Electricity Rules the Universe

Electric Universe Model on Wikipedia (2005) | The Electric Universe Theory

oh... something like this *chuckles*

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Electric universe (concept) - Wikipedia
 
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How many lies will it take, before the men to the moon believers, will finally say enough with the lies.

NASA wants to put a nuclear power plant on the moon by 2030 — and you can help

Sending a six ton plug and play nuclear reactor to the moon within 8 years should be easy given our American Exceptionalism. If we could recover just 1/10th of the technology we had back in the 60's and apply it to modern supercomputers and AI, we could easily send men to Uranus and have colonies on Neptune. (And for the conspiracy theorists out there, we can assure you that the funding for these programs is on the up and up and there are no black ops space weapons, surveillance, or occult/luciferian/masonic shenanigans going on).
 
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Or that the craters were the results of electrical arc discharges ;)
I actually liked these guys, it was kinda beautiful when I first discovered them circa 2005 maybe.
Rubbish, but beautiful
They aren't even on wikipedia anymore. Wow. What do you have to do to get deleted from wikipedia lol.

The People Who Believe Electricity Rules the Universe

Electric Universe Model on Wikipedia (2005) | The Electric Universe Theory

oh... something like this *chuckles*

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Electric universe (concept) - Wikipedia
The moon was boiling. The craters are like you see in cooked oatmeal. Common sense.
 
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The moon was boiling. The craters are like you see in cooked oatmeal. Common sense.
But the moon is made of cheese, not oatmeal!
Haven't you seen Wallace and Gromit's Big Day Out?
 
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But the moon is made of cheese, not oatmeal!
Haven't you seen Wallace and Gromit's Big Day Out?
Have you ever seen a great ball of boiling cheese?
We can be certain it's a grim and unnatural spectacle of nature.
 
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None of the animals Russia sent into space ever left low earth orbit. They killed the animals so they would not suffer during re-entry, since none of their craft were designed to safely re-enter the earth's atmosphere.

I had thought limitations on oxygen supplies and retro rockets were the reason for the death of Laika, the female space dog*, which was not, however, unexpected.

*A pity due to people perverting words into swearing I have to use such awkward language.
 
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Have you ever seen a great ball of boiling cheese?
We can be certain it's a grim and unnatural spectacle of nature.

Well I would guess one half of the moon would be frozen, and the other half boiling, but gasses from decomposition due to oxygen trapped in the cheese would be released, producing an atmosphere that would be quite nasty. I haven’t seen the video my friend @Petros2015 just linked, however, and I am sure it would be more detailed in its coverage of a satelite du fromage.

By the way, fun fact: we knew the Moon wasn’t green cheese in the 1940s, thanks to spectography. Robert Heinlein mentioned this in his incredibly fun 1947 juvenile SF novel, the first one, in fact, Rocket Ship Galileo, in which three boys and a professor build a nuclear powered rocket and are the first to land on the moon. Scientifically it was remarkably accurate. It was also a success, launching a series of wonderful juvenile SF novels including classics including stories of interplanetary war that frankly I find more engrossing than The Expanse, like Between Planets and Space Cadet, a science-fantasy depiction of life on a Mars with frozen canals and bouncing spherical Martians and mysterious human Martians, Red Planet; Time for the Stars, which was the first work of juvenile science fiction to address time dilation, using the plot devices of near light speed travel and telepathy to fully convey the concept that time slows down as one approaches the speed of light (alas it did not convey the concept that gravity also influences it, which the film Interstellar did address, but at the expense of not clearly showing time dilation from relativistic velocities, and you really need both to illustrate the counter-intuitive nature of general relativity), and finally, three really good galactic or intergalactic space operas: Starman Jones, the final Have Spacesuit: Will Travel, and my personal favorite, Citizen of the Galaxy, which is pure fun and was amazing when I read it at age 13.

By the age of 14 I was reading much more sophisticated adult SF, by 15 I had become such an elitist connoisseur that even the original Star Wars films became difficult to enjoy, and I had to read the positive parts of the criticism of it in the Encyclopedia of Science Fiction (which is now freely available; back then my first edition was a giant book I lugged around until the binding failed and the pages fell out) whose editors, John Clute, who I believe is still with us, and Peter Norman, who reposed many years ago, memory eternal, pulled no punches and insisted on quality) order to persuade myself that it was not beneath me.

The end of the line for Heinlein’s juveniles, which were edited by a lady at Charles Scribner’s Sons, the only works Heinlein sold to that publisher, was Starship Troopers, a thrilling but brutal space opera which also satirizes fascism (Heinlein, by the time he wrote it, was a committed Libertarian, and the Federation he depicted in it, where military service was a prerequisite to political enfranchisement, and corporal punishment and execution for criminal offenses as well as breaches of military discipline is graphically depicted, was obviously a dystopian satire, but it was too much for a juvenile; the editor, to her credit, tried to preserve the relationship and work out a compromise with Heinlein, but he had a strict policy of never submitting a story to a publisher after they had rejected one of his works, meaning if you bought a Heinlein story, and it sold well, which they tended to do, you had to keep buying everything he sent you or he would cut you off permanently, which is harsh but one can see the business sense in the era in which he worked).

A number of people, including most importantly, teenage readers, including friends of mine who lacked a biography of Heinlein and access to the volumes of science fiction criticism and literary theory that my parents endulged me with (yes, I did have a girlfriend during this time; she later married another man, and I am not jealous, unfortunately he left her, but she has two beautiful boys in their early teens and is also battling cancer, so please pray for her; her name is Rachel, and she is a devout Christian who I met via Methodist Youth Fellowship, who like me is still a Christian but not Methodist; I request Orthodox, Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran and other liturgical Christians to include her name in the list of names to be prayed for in the liturgy).
 
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