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Did Jesus give us an Eleventh Commandment?

How do you see Jesus' new commandment?

  • An additional commandment brings the total commandments to eleven in the new covenant.

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • A replacement of the ten previous commandments where we no longer have to keep the Sabbath.

    Votes: 3 75.0%

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you. What is the law from Moses that is being adopted in that passage? United in discussing the scriptures in an edifying way!
Brother, the following passage mentions the tithe as the ten percent belonging to the LORD.

One-tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD and must be set apart to him as holy. If you want to buy back the LORD’s tenth of the grain or fruit, you must pay its value, plus 20 percent. Count off every tenth animal from your herds and flocks and set them apart for the LORD as holy. You may not pick and choose between good and bad animals, and you may not substitute one for another. But if you do exchange one animal for another, then both the original animal and its substitute will be considered holy and cannot be bought back.” (Leviticus 27:30-33 NLT)​

The following passage applies the ten percent mentioned above to the increase and not the whole. So you would not tithe your savings more than once.

“You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the LORD your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the LORD your God. (Deuteronomy 14:22-23 NLT)​

This passage mentions the blessing given for returning the tithe.

“Should people cheat God? Yet you have cheated me! “But you ask, ‘What do you mean? When did we ever cheat you?’ “You have cheated me of the tithes and offerings due to me. You are under a curse, for your whole nation has been cheating me. Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple. If you do,” says the LORD of Heaven’s Armies, “I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won’t have enough room to take it in! Try it! Put me to the test! Your crops will be abundant, for I will guard them from insects and disease. Your grapes will not fall from the vine before they are ripe,” says the LORD of Heaven’s Armies. “Then all nations will call you blessed, for your land will be such a delight,” says the LORD of Heaven’s Armies. (Malachi 3:8-12 NLT)​

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Brother, the following passage mentions the tithe as the ten percent belonging to the LORD.

One-tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD and must be set apart to him as holy. If you want to buy back the LORD’s tenth of the grain or fruit, you must pay its value, plus 20 percent. Count off every tenth animal from your herds and flocks and set them apart for the LORD as holy. You may not pick and choose between good and bad animals, and you may not substitute one for another. But if you do exchange one animal for another, then both the original animal and its substitute will be considered holy and cannot be bought back.” (Leviticus 27:30-33 NLT)​

The following passage applies the ten percent mentioned above to the increase and not the whole. So you would not tithe your savings more than once.

“You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the LORD your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the LORD your God. (Deuteronomy 14:22-23 NLT)​

This passage mentions the blessing given for returning the tithe.

“Should people cheat God? Yet you have cheated me! “But you ask, ‘What do you mean? When did we ever cheat you?’ “You have cheated me of the tithes and offerings due to me. You are under a curse, for your whole nation has been cheating me. Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple. If you do,” says the LORD of Heaven’s Armies, “I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won’t have enough room to take it in! Try it! Put me to the test! Your crops will be abundant, for I will guard them from insects and disease. Your grapes will not fall from the vine before they are ripe,” says the LORD of Heaven’s Armies. “Then all nations will call you blessed, for your land will be such a delight,” says the LORD of Heaven’s Armies. (Malachi 3:8-12 NLT)​

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you.

As for the tribe of Levi, your relatives, I will compensate them for their service in the Tabernacle. Instead of an allotment of land, I will give them the tithes from the entire land of Israel.

So, instead of taking a tenth of the harvest and every tenth animal and giving it to the Levites, we are to take some money every week and give it to someone at the church. If so, the adopted form can be very different from the written form, it looks like.

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So, instead of taking a tenth of the harvest and every tenth animal and giving it to the Levites, we are to take some money every week and give it to someone at the church. If so, the adopted form can be very different from the written form, it looks like. United in discussing the scriptures in an edifying way!
Brother, Paul doesn't see a difference with what God did for those who worked in the temple.

Don’t you realize that those who work in the temple get their meals from the offerings brought to the temple? And those who serve at the altar get a share of the sacrificial offerings. In the same way, the Lord ordered that those who preach the Good News should be supported by those who benefit from it. (1 Corinthians 9:13-14 NLT)​

Prior to the above passage, we learn that Paul and Barnabas were the only ones who supported themselves.

Don’t we have the right to live in your homes and share your meals? Don’t we have the right to bring a believing wife with us as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers do, and as Peter does? Or is it only Barnabas and I who have to work to support ourselves? (1 Corinthians 9:4-6 NLT)​

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Brother, Paul doesn't see a difference with what God did for those who worked in the temple.

Don’t you realize that those who work in the temple get their meals from the offerings brought to the temple? And those who serve at the altar get a share of the sacrificial offerings. In the same way, the Lord ordered that those who preach the Good News should be supported by those who benefit from it. (1 Corinthians 9:13-14 NLT)​

Prior to the above passage, we learn that Paul and Barnabas were the only ones who supported themselves.

Don’t we have the right to live in your homes and share your meals? Don’t we have the right to bring a believing wife with us as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers do, and as Peter does? Or is it only Barnabas and I who have to work to support ourselves? (1 Corinthians 9:4-6 NLT)​

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you.

Right, the adopted form looks much different than the written form.

What was the next law from Moses to be adopted by the church as a whole after tithing?

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you. Right, the adopted form looks much different than the written form. What was the next law from Moses to be adopted by the church as a whole after tithing? United in discussing the scriptures in an edifying way!
Brother, another adoption verified in the Bible by Peter after Jesus that is misunderstood is the animals that we can eat and those that we can not eat. Now that Jesus circumcises and circumcision is no longer done by humans, God told Peter that he "should not call anyone impure or unclean". God refers to people that God had made clean: "Gentiles who are turning to God" and are not circumcised like Cornelius, who had sent for Peter, and God prepared Peter to enter Cornelius' house against the traditions of Judaism, because Cornelius was not circumcised.

While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?” (Acts 10:27-29 NIV)​

What is misunderstood is how God tells Peter not to call the Gentile Cornelius, whom Jesus cleaned, impure or unclean. God prepares Peter about Cornelius in the next passage using unclean animals while he is hungry. The passage tells us that Peter, after Jesus, is faithful to Moses' instructions regarding clean and unclean animals that God used to tell Peter to enter the house of the gentile Cornelius, even though entering the house of an uncircumcised Gentile was against the traditions of the Jews.

The next day as Cornelius’s messengers were nearing the town, Peter went up on the flat roof to pray. It was about noon, and he was hungry. But while a meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw the sky open, and something like a large sheet was let down by its four corners. In the sheet were all sorts of animals, reptiles, and birds. Then a voice said to him, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat them.” “No, Lord,” Peter declared. “I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean.” But the voice spoke again: “Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean.” The same vision was repeated three times. Then the sheet was suddenly pulled up to heaven. Peter was very perplexed. What could the vision mean? Just then the men sent by Cornelius found Simon’s house. Standing outside the gate, they asked if a man named Simon Peter was staying there. Meanwhile, as Peter was puzzling over the vision, the Holy Spirit said to him, “Three men have come looking for you. Get up, go downstairs, and go with them without hesitation. Don’t worry, for I have sent them.” (Acts 10:9-20 NLT)​

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Brother, another adoption verified in the Bible by Peter after Jesus that is misunderstood is the animals that we can eat and those that we can not eat. Now that Jesus circumcises and circumcision is no longer done by humans, God told Peter that he "should not call anyone impure or unclean". God refers to people that God had made clean: "Gentiles who are turning to God" and are not circumcised like Cornelius, who had sent for Peter, and God prepared Peter to enter Cornelius' house against the traditions of Judaism, because Cornelius was not circumcised.

While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?” (Acts 10:27-29 NIV)​

What is misunderstood is how God tells Peter not to call the Gentile Cornelius, whom Jesus cleaned, impure or unclean. God prepares Peter about Cornelius in the next passage using unclean animals while he is hungry. The passage tells us that Peter, after Jesus, is faithful to Moses' instructions regarding clean and unclean animals that God used to tell Peter to enter the house of the gentile Cornelius, even though entering the house of an uncircumcised Gentile was against the traditions of the Jews.

The next day as Cornelius’s messengers were nearing the town, Peter went up on the flat roof to pray. It was about noon, and he was hungry. But while a meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw the sky open, and something like a large sheet was let down by its four corners. In the sheet were all sorts of animals, reptiles, and birds. Then a voice said to him, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat them.” “No, Lord,” Peter declared. “I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean.” But the voice spoke again: “Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean.” The same vision was repeated three times. Then the sheet was suddenly pulled up to heaven. Peter was very perplexed. What could the vision mean? Just then the men sent by Cornelius found Simon’s house. Standing outside the gate, they asked if a man named Simon Peter was staying there. Meanwhile, as Peter was puzzling over the vision, the Holy Spirit said to him, “Three men have come looking for you. Get up, go downstairs, and go with them without hesitation. Don’t worry, for I have sent them.” (Acts 10:9-20 NLT)​

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you.

I don't see an instruction to the church in that passage about what animals to eat. I see the instruction not to call someone God has cleansed unclean. Is that what you mean?

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you. I don't see an instruction to the church in that passage about what animals to eat. I see the instruction not to call someone God has cleansed unclean. Is that what you mean? United in discussing the scriptures in an edifying way!
Brother, it is evidence after the new covenant, that Peter, after Jesus, remained faithful to Moses in regard to the animals we can not eat. His resolve is shown by rejecting the offering in contradiction to God's will given by Moses, during his trance, being hungry. He did not eat those unclean animals and afterwards wondered what it meant and gave us the meaning of his experience. Others use this trance to say that we can now eat everything, when Peter did not see that as the message God had given him when God prepared him to enter the house of Cornelius, who was an uncircumcised Gentile Jesus had made clean.

While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?” (Acts 10:27-29 NIV)​

Notice that God prepared Peter about Cornelius in the next passage by verifying unclean animals while he is hungry. The passage tells us that Peter, after Jesus, is faithful to Moses' instructions regarding clean and unclean animals that God used to tell Peter to enter the house of the gentile Cornelius, even though entering the house of an uncircumcised Gentile was against the traditions of the Jews regarding circumcision.

The next day as Cornelius’s messengers were nearing the town, Peter went up on the flat roof to pray. It was about noon, and he was hungry. But while a meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw the sky open, and something like a large sheet was let down by its four corners. In the sheet were all sorts of animals, reptiles, and birds. Then a voice said to him, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat them.” “No, Lord,” Peter declared. “I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean.” But the voice spoke again: “Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean.” The same vision was repeated three times. Then the sheet was suddenly pulled up to heaven. Peter was very perplexed. What could the vision mean? Just then the men sent by Cornelius found Simon’s house. Standing outside the gate, they asked if a man named Simon Peter was staying there. Meanwhile, as Peter was puzzling over the vision, the Holy Spirit said to him, “Three men have come looking for you. Get up, go downstairs, and go with them without hesitation. Don’t worry, for I have sent them.” (Acts 10:9-20 NLT)​

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Brother, it is evidence after the new covenant, that Peter, after Jesus, remained faithful to Moses in regard to the animals we can not eat. His resolve is shown by rejecting the offering in contradiction to God's will given by Moses, during his trance, being hungry. He did not eat those unclean animals and afterwards wondered what it meant and gave us the meaning of his experience. Others use this trance to say that we can now eat everything, when Peter did not see that as the message God had given him when God prepared him to enter the house of Cornelius, who was an uncircumcised Gentile Jesus had made clean.

While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?” (Acts 10:27-29 NIV)​

Notice that God prepared Peter about Cornelius in the next passage by verifying unclean animals while he is hungry. The passage tells us that Peter, after Jesus, is faithful to Moses' instructions regarding clean and unclean animals that God used to tell Peter to enter the house of the gentile Cornelius, even though entering the house of an uncircumcised Gentile was against the traditions of the Jews regarding circumcision.

The next day as Cornelius’s messengers were nearing the town, Peter went up on the flat roof to pray. It was about noon, and he was hungry. But while a meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw the sky open, and something like a large sheet was let down by its four corners. In the sheet were all sorts of animals, reptiles, and birds. Then a voice said to him, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat them.” “No, Lord,” Peter declared. “I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean.” But the voice spoke again: “Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean.” The same vision was repeated three times. Then the sheet was suddenly pulled up to heaven. Peter was very perplexed. What could the vision mean? Just then the men sent by Cornelius found Simon’s house. Standing outside the gate, they asked if a man named Simon Peter was staying there. Meanwhile, as Peter was puzzling over the vision, the Holy Spirit said to him, “Three men have come looking for you. Get up, go downstairs, and go with them without hesitation. Don’t worry, for I have sent them.” (Acts 10:9-20 NLT)​

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you.

Are you saying that Peter doing something is the same as an instruction to the entire church to do that same thing?

When I was with the Jews, I lived like a Jew to bring the Jews to Christ. When I was with those who follow the Jewish law, I too lived under that law. Even though I am not subject to the law, I did this so I could bring to Christ those who are under the law. 21When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ.

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you. Are you saying that Peter doing something is the same as an instruction to the entire church to do that same thing? When I was with the Jews, I lived like a Jew to bring the Jews to Christ. When I was with those who follow the Jewish law, I too lived under that law. Even though I am not subject to the law, I did this so I could bring to Christ those who are under the law. 21When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ. United in discussing the scriptures in an edifying way!
Brother, Jesus, who now does the circumcision of the Gentiles who are turning to God, circumcision no longer done by humans, had made Cornelius clean and not the animals Peter would not eat. God verified through Peter under the new covenant that unclean animals are still off the menu when Peter's vision, while Peter is hungry, is properly understood. God is building on the prior truth of unclean animals to help Peter with the new truth about Jesus doing circumcision no longer done by humans. Jesus makes humans clean through His circumcision and not animals.

When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcisionthe cutting away of your sinful nature. For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. (Colossians 2:11-12 NLT)​

God has made clean Gentiles who are turning to God that He circumcises and has not made unclean animals clean because Peter is hungry. Peter's vision is evidence after the new covenant, that Peter, after Jesus, remained faithful to Moses in regard to the animals we can not eat. His resolve is shown by rejecting the offering in contradiction to God's will given by Moses, during his vision, being hungry. He did not eat those unclean animals and afterwards wondered what it meant and gave us the meaning of his experience. Others use this vision to say that we can now eat everything, when Peter did not see that as the message God had given him when God prepared him to enter the house of Cornelius, who was under Judaism, an uncircumcised Gentile Jesus had circumcised and not humans.

While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?” (Acts 10:27-29 NIV)​

Notice that God prepared Peter about Cornelius in the next passage by verifying unclean animals while he is hungry. The passage tells us that Peter, after Jesus, is faithful to Moses' instructions regarding clean and unclean animals that God used to tell Peter to enter the house of the gentile Cornelius, even though entering the house of an uncircumcised Gentile was against the traditions of the Jews regarding circumcision.

The next day as Cornelius’s messengers were nearing the town, Peter went up on the flat roof to pray. It was about noon, and he was hungry. But while a meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw the sky open, and something like a large sheet was let down by its four corners. In the sheet were all sorts of animals, reptiles, and birds. Then a voice said to him, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat them.” “No, Lord,” Peter declared. “I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean.” But the voice spoke again: “Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean.” The same vision was repeated three times. Then the sheet was suddenly pulled up to heaven. Peter was very perplexed. What could the vision mean? Just then the men sent by Cornelius found Simon’s house. Standing outside the gate, they asked if a man named Simon Peter was staying there. Meanwhile, as Peter was puzzling over the vision, the Holy Spirit said to him, “Three men have come looking for you. Get up, go downstairs, and go with them without hesitation. Don’t worry, for I have sent them.” (Acts 10:9-20 NLT)​

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Brother, Jesus, who now does the circumcision of the Gentiles who are turning to God, circumcision no longer done by humans, had made Cornelius clean and not the animals Peter would not eat. God verified through Peter under the new covenant that unclean animals are still off the menu when Peter's vision, while Peter is hungry, is properly understood. God is building on the prior truth of unclean animals to help Peter with the new truth about Jesus doing circumcision no longer done by humans. Jesus makes humans clean through His circumcision and not animals.

When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcisionthe cutting away of your sinful nature. For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. (Colossians 2:11-12 NLT)​

God has made clean Gentiles who are turning to God that He circumcises and has not made unclean animals clean because Peter is hungry. Peter's vision is evidence after the new covenant, that Peter, after Jesus, remained faithful to Moses in regard to the animals we can not eat. His resolve is shown by rejecting the offering in contradiction to God's will given by Moses, during his vision, being hungry. He did not eat those unclean animals and afterwards wondered what it meant and gave us the meaning of his experience. Others use this vision to say that we can now eat everything, when Peter did not see that as the message God had given him when God prepared him to enter the house of Cornelius, who was under Judaism, an uncircumcised Gentile Jesus had circumcised and not humans.

While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?” (Acts 10:27-29 NIV)​

Notice that God prepared Peter about Cornelius in the next passage by verifying unclean animals while he is hungry. The passage tells us that Peter, after Jesus, is faithful to Moses' instructions regarding clean and unclean animals that God used to tell Peter to enter the house of the gentile Cornelius, even though entering the house of an uncircumcised Gentile was against the traditions of the Jews regarding circumcision.

The next day as Cornelius’s messengers were nearing the town, Peter went up on the flat roof to pray. It was about noon, and he was hungry. But while a meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw the sky open, and something like a large sheet was let down by its four corners. In the sheet were all sorts of animals, reptiles, and birds. Then a voice said to him, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat them.” “No, Lord,” Peter declared. “I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean.” But the voice spoke again: “Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean.” The same vision was repeated three times. Then the sheet was suddenly pulled up to heaven. Peter was very perplexed. What could the vision mean? Just then the men sent by Cornelius found Simon’s house. Standing outside the gate, they asked if a man named Simon Peter was staying there. Meanwhile, as Peter was puzzling over the vision, the Holy Spirit said to him, “Three men have come looking for you. Get up, go downstairs, and go with them without hesitation. Don’t worry, for I have sent them.” (Acts 10:9-20 NLT)​

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you.

That seems like quite a stretch to me. In the vision, Peter is told to Kill and eat. If James in Acts 15 doesn't trust himself to be free from the tradition of Judaism, isn't it possible that Peter too is still influenced by the tradition of Judaism?

Like Paul says,
I was a member of the Pharisees, who demand the strictest obedience to the Jewish law.
I once thought these things were valuable, but now I consider them worthless because of what Christ has done.

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In the vision, Peter is told to Kill and eat.
Brother, we know that Jesus came to remove sin from humans and not animals that never sinned in the first place. The vision said "do not call something unclean if God has made it clean". Jesus came to clean humans and not unclean animals when eating animals was not in God's original plan and allowed after the flood because food became scarce before vegetation could recover from the flood. While Peter was hungry, God used his hunger and the fact of the unclean animals to teach Peter not to consider unclean what Jesus had cleaned. Jesus had cleaned Cornelius without the need for human circumcision, because now Jesus does the circumcision that cleaned Cornelius.

When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcisionthe cutting away of your sinful nature. For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. (Colossians 2:11-12 NLT)​

Peter did not eat unclean animals in the vision and later understood that God was talking about humans that Jesus had cleaned and not animals, as he explains in the following passage.

While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?” (Acts 10:27-29 NIV)​

God had told Peter not to consider Cornelius unclean because he was not humanly circumcised, because Jesus had circumcised him, making Cornelius clean for Peter to associate with and visit.

The next day as Cornelius’s messengers were nearing the town, Peter went up on the flat roof to pray. It was about noon, and he was hungry. But while a meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw the sky open, and something like a large sheet was let down by its four corners. In the sheet were all sorts of animals, reptiles, and birds. Then a voice said to him, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat them.” “No, Lord,” Peter declared. “I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean.” But the voice spoke again: “Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean.” The same vision was repeated three times. Then the sheet was suddenly pulled up to heaven. Peter was very perplexed. What could the vision mean? Just then the men sent by Cornelius found Simon’s house. Standing outside the gate, they asked if a man named Simon Peter was staying there. Meanwhile, as Peter was puzzling over the vision, the Holy Spirit said to him, “Three men have come looking for you. Get up, go downstairs, and go with them without hesitation. Don’t worry, for I have sent them.” (Acts 10:9-20 NLT)​

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Brother, we know that Jesus came to remove sin from humans and not animals that never sinned in the first place. The vision said "do not call something unclean if God has made it clean". Jesus came to clean humans and not unclean animals when eating animals was not in God's original plan and allowed after the flood because food became scarce before vegetation could recover from the flood. While Peter was hungry, God used his hunger and the fact of the unclean animals to teach Peter not to consider unclean what Jesus had cleaned. Jesus had cleaned Cornelius without the need for human circumcision, because now Jesus does the circumcision that cleaned Cornelius.

When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcisionthe cutting away of your sinful nature. For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. (Colossians 2:11-12 NLT)​

Peter did not eat unclean animals in the vision and later understood that God was talking about humans that Jesus had cleaned and not animals, as he explains in the following passage.

While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?” (Acts 10:27-29 NIV)​

God had told Peter not to consider Cornelius unclean because he was not humanly circumcised, because Jesus had circumcised him, making Cornelius clean for Peter to associate with and visit.

The next day as Cornelius’s messengers were nearing the town, Peter went up on the flat roof to pray. It was about noon, and he was hungry. But while a meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw the sky open, and something like a large sheet was let down by its four corners. In the sheet were all sorts of animals, reptiles, and birds. Then a voice said to him, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat them.” “No, Lord,” Peter declared. “I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean.” But the voice spoke again: “Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean.” The same vision was repeated three times. Then the sheet was suddenly pulled up to heaven. Peter was very perplexed. What could the vision mean? Just then the men sent by Cornelius found Simon’s house. Standing outside the gate, they asked if a man named Simon Peter was staying there. Meanwhile, as Peter was puzzling over the vision, the Holy Spirit said to him, “Three men have come looking for you. Get up, go downstairs, and go with them without hesitation. Don’t worry, for I have sent them.” (Acts 10:9-20 NLT)​

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you.

As I said, it seems like quite a stretch to me. But let's follow out your ideas.

The events in Acts 10 occur before the council in Jerusalem in Acts 15. Why are rules about clean and unclean animals not listed in the laws that the church can bear?

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I was a member of the Pharisees, who demand the strictest obedience to the Jewish law. I once thought these things were valuable, but now I consider them worthless because of what Christ has done.
Brother, Paul is talking about Judaism's "human effort" to obey the law by adding their own rules. Paul has grown beyond the law to speak instead of the purpose of the law to take away sin. Paul realized that you can obey the law while sabotaging its purpose to eliminate sin. For example, in order not to use God's name in vain, Judaism added the human rule not to pronounce God's name to help obey God's law by preventing them from having to learn not to misuse His name. Judaism didn't realize that putting their faith in obeying the law with their "human effort" of their own rule leads to death because it doesn't take away sin. Doing what God originally asked takes away sin, which they sabotaged to not take away sin with their replacement of not pronouncing God's name at all.

Tell me, you who want to live under the law, do you know what the law actually says (what is sin)? The Scriptures say that Abraham had two sons, one from his slave wife and one from his freeborn wife. The son of the slave wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise. But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of his promise. These two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the law that enslaved them. And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia, because she and her children live in slavery to the law (added by the translators when it refers to slavery to sin). But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman, and she is our mother. As Isaiah said, “Rejoice, O childless woman, you who have never given birth! Break into a joyful shout, you who have never been in labor! For the desolate woman now has more children than the woman who lives with her husband!” And you, dear brothers and sisters, are children of the promise, just like Isaac. But you are now being persecuted by those who want you to keep the law, just as Ishmael, the child born by human effort, persecuted Isaac, the child born by the power of the Spirit. But what do the Scriptures say about that? “Get rid of the slave and her son, for the son of the slave woman will not share the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” So, dear brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman; we are children of the free woman. (Galatians 4:21-31 NLT)​

Judaism, replacing God's laws with their own rules, closed heaven to everyone following their rules instead of God's law. We should not follow their "human efforts" in their own rules, but what God taught us, which does remove sin, because God is not a "blind guide" like humans are to use laws to remove sin.

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either. “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. (Matthew 23:13-22 NLT)​

Instead of Paul talking about laws that led to slavery to sin in Judaism, he skips to the purpose of the law to take away sin by speaking of sin instead of law. Jesus has freed us from Judaism's slavery to sin through His cycle of forgiveness faster than animal sacrifices. Now we can handle the misuse of God's name, which was difficult before due to the slow animal sacrifices compared to the faster praying to our High Priest Jesus for the forgiveness of past sins, allowing us to deal with more sin than was possible before with the slow animal sacrifices. Paul talks about the removal of sin, which God accomplishes by giving us laws to obey through practice. Practice Jesus makes possible through His forgiveness cycle, which Paul calls slavery, which deals with sin now faster than was possible with animal sacrifices.

Well then, since God’s grace has set us free from the law, does that mean we can go on sinning? Of course not! Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. Thank God! Once you were slaves of sin, but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you. Now you are free from your slavery to sin, and you have become slaves to righteous living. (Romans 6:15-18 NLT)​

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you. As I said, it seems like quite a stretch to me. But let's follow out your ideas. The events in Acts 10 occur before the council in Jerusalem in Acts 15. Why are rules about clean and unclean animals not listed in the laws that the church can bear? United in discussing the scriptures in an edifying way!
Brother, after Jesus, we can bear more sin with Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness than the slow animal sacrifices before Jesus. James was not limiting what we need to obey, he was giving us permission to adopt Moses without forcing the human traditions of Judaism on us Gentiles, as we turn to God by giving us a seed, a beginning to add to. James saw us as the fulfillment of the prophecy where God would "restore the fallen house of David" as we listened to Moses every Sabbath. What that means is the equivalent of continuing Judaism without human traditions. The human traditions in Judaism led to death by sabotaging God's Ten Commandments so as not to take away sin that would otherwise have been taken away if they had done what God asked, instead of replacing what God asked with their own rules, in their "human effort" to help them obey the law by sabotaging the law so as not to take away sin, which made the law easier to bear. For example, in order not to use God's name in vain, Judaism added the human rule not to pronounce God's name to help obey God's law by preventing them from having to learn not to misuse His name. Judaism managed to bypass the active part of taking away their sin by replacing God's law with their own rule not to utter God's name at all.

When they had finished, James stood and said, “Brothers, listen to me. Peter has told you about the time God first visited the Gentiles to take from them a people for himself. And this conversion of Gentiles is exactly what the prophets predicted. As it is written: ‘Afterward I will return and restore the fallen house of David. I will rebuild its ruins and restore it, so that the rest of humanity might seek the LORD, including the Gentiles—all those I have called to be mine. The LORD has spoken—he who made these things known so long ago.’ “And so my judgment is that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from eating food offered to idols, from sexual immorality, from eating the meat of strangled animals, and from consuming blood. For these laws of Moses has been preached in Jewish synagogues in every city on every Sabbath for many generations.” (Acts 15:13-21 NLT fixed)​

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Brother, Paul is talking about Judaism's "human effort" to obey the law by adding their own rules. Paul has grown beyond the law to speak instead of the purpose of the law to take away sin. Paul realized that you can obey the law while sabotaging its purpose to eliminate sin. For example, in order not to use God's name in vain, Judaism added the human rule not to pronounce God's name to help obey God's law by preventing them from having to learn not to misuse His name. Judaism didn't realize that putting their faith in obeying the law with their "human effort" of their own rule leads to death because it doesn't take away sin. Doing what God originally asked takes away sin, which they sabotaged to not take away sin with their replacement of not pronouncing God's name at all.

Tell me, you who want to live under the law, do you know what the law actually says (what is sin)? The Scriptures say that Abraham had two sons, one from his slave wife and one from his freeborn wife. The son of the slave wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise. But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of his promise. These two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the law that enslaved them. And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia, because she and her children live in slavery to the law (added by the translators when it refers to slavery to sin). But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman, and she is our mother. As Isaiah said, “Rejoice, O childless woman, you who have never given birth! Break into a joyful shout, you who have never been in labor! For the desolate woman now has more children than the woman who lives with her husband!” And you, dear brothers and sisters, are children of the promise, just like Isaac. But you are now being persecuted by those who want you to keep the law, just as Ishmael, the child born by human effort, persecuted Isaac, the child born by the power of the Spirit. But what do the Scriptures say about that? “Get rid of the slave and her son, for the son of the slave woman will not share the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” So, dear brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman; we are children of the free woman. (Galatians 4:21-31 NLT)​

Judaism, replacing God's laws with their own rules, closed heaven to everyone following their rules instead of God's law. We should not follow their "human efforts" in their own rules, but what God taught us, which does remove sin, because God is not a "blind guide" like humans are to use laws to remove sin.

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either. “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. (Matthew 23:13-22 NLT)​

Instead of Paul talking about laws that led to slavery to sin in Judaism, he skips to the purpose of the law to take away sin by speaking of sin instead of law. Jesus has freed us from Judaism's slavery to sin through His cycle of forgiveness faster than animal sacrifices. Now we can handle the misuse of God's name, which was difficult before due to the slow animal sacrifices compared to the faster praying to our High Priest Jesus for the forgiveness of past sins, allowing us to deal with more sin than was possible before with the slow animal sacrifices. Paul talks about the removal of sin, which God accomplishes by giving us laws to obey through practice. Practice Jesus makes possible through His forgiveness cycle, which Paul calls slavery, which deals with sin now faster than was possible with animal sacrifices.

Well then, since God’s grace has set us free from the law, does that mean we can go on sinning? Of course not! Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. Thank God! Once you were slaves of sin, but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you. Now you are free from your slavery to sin, and you have become slaves to righteous living. (Romans 6:15-18 NLT)​

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you.

The passage in Philippians just says The law. You can interpret that to mean the tradition of Judaism, if you wish.

κατὰ νόμον Φαρισαῖος

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κατὰ δικαιοσύνην τὴν ἐν νόμῳ γενόμενος ἄμεμπτος

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Brother, after Jesus, we can bear more sin with Jesus' faster cycle of forgiveness than the slow animal sacrifices before Jesus. James was not limiting what we need to obey, he was giving us permission to adopt Moses without forcing the human traditions of Judaism on us Gentiles, as we turn to God by giving us a seed, a beginning to add to. James saw us as the fulfillment of the prophecy where God would "restore the fallen house of David" as we listened to Moses every Sabbath. What that means is the equivalent of continuing Judaism without human traditions. The human traditions in Judaism led to death by sabotaging God's Ten Commandments so as not to take away sin that would otherwise have been taken away if they had done what God asked, instead of replacing what God asked with their own rules, in their "human effort" to help them obey the law by sabotaging the law so as not to take away sin, which made the law easier to bear. For example, in order not to use God's name in vain, Judaism added the human rule not to pronounce God's name to help obey God's law by preventing them from having to learn not to misuse His name. Judaism managed to bypass the active part of taking away their sin by replacing God's law with their own rule not to utter God's name at all.

When they had finished, James stood and said, “Brothers, listen to me. Peter has told you about the time God first visited the Gentiles to take from them a people for himself. And this conversion of Gentiles is exactly what the prophets predicted. As it is written: ‘Afterward I will return and restore the fallen house of David. I will rebuild its ruins and restore it, so that the rest of humanity might seek the LORD, including the Gentiles—all those I have called to be mine. The LORD has spoken—he who made these things known so long ago.’ “And so my judgment is that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from eating food offered to idols, from sexual immorality, from eating the meat of strangled animals, and from consuming blood. For these laws of Moses has been preached in Jewish synagogues in every city on every Sabbath for many generations.” (Acts 15:13-21 NLT fixed)​

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you.

I thought you had said earlier that James was only sure about the four laws. He didn't trust himself giving more. But if we follow your timeline, Jesus has already determined that the church can bear the laws about clean and unclean animals.

Related to that, since Jesus had already told the church that they could bear the clean and unclean animal laws, James wouldn't be forcing the human traditions of Judaism on them. Those laws in their form not colored by human tradition had already been given to Peter.

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you. I thought you had said earlier that James was only sure about the four laws. He didn't trust himself giving more. But if we follow your timeline, Jesus has already determined that the church can bear the laws about clean and unclean animals. Related to that, since Jesus had already told the church that they could bear the clean and unclean animal laws, James wouldn't be forcing the human traditions of Judaism on them. Those laws in their form not colored by human tradition had already been given to Peter. United in discussing the scriptures in an edifying way!
Brother, unless Peter shares his experience with others, as we have the story in our Bibles to learn from, not everyone would be aware of Peter's vision of Jesus now circumcising the Gentiles turning to God, a circumcision that is no longer done by humans.

When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcisionthe cutting away of your sinful nature. For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. (Colossians 2:11-12 NLT)​

Peter may not have felt safe sharing his experience of his vision with everyone, as demonstrated in the following passage when Paul called him out for not standing up for the truth of circumcision among other Jews who did not receive God's help like himself through a vision.

But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions? (Galatians 2:11-14 NLT)​

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Brother, unless Peter shares his experience with others, as we have the story in our Bibles to learn from, not everyone would be aware of Peter's vision of Jesus now circumcising the Gentiles turning to God, a circumcision that is no longer done by humans.

When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcisionthe cutting away of your sinful nature. For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. (Colossians 2:11-12 NLT)​

Peter may not have felt safe sharing his experience of his vision with everyone, as demonstrated in the following passage when Paul called him out for not standing up for the truth of circumcision among other Jews who did not receive God's help like himself through a vision.

But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions? (Galatians 2:11-14 NLT)​

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you.

So... Jesus determined that the entire church could bear the laws about clean and unclean animals, and then didn't communicate that to the entire church?

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you. So... Jesus determined that the entire church could bear the laws about clean and unclean animals, and then didn't communicate that to the entire church? United in discussing the scriptures in an edifying way!
Brother, the clean and unclean animals were known to Peter through Moses. James expected us to adopt these truths by listening to Moses "every Sabbath" as God uses the Gentiles, turning to God, to "restore the fallen house of David". The church was still being convinced of the new truths and Peter's vision of Jesus doing the circumcision, now no longer done by humans, helps us now to adopt what they already knew about the unclean animals. Our challenges today are not the same challenges they had then: we challenged the unclean animals after 2000 years of failing to adopt Moses while they were challenging Jesus doing the circumcision no longer done by humans.

When they had finished, James stood and said, “Brothers, listen to me. Peter has told you about the time God first visited the Gentiles to take from them a people for himself. And this conversion of Gentiles is exactly what the prophets predicted. As it is written: ‘Afterward I will return and restore the fallen house of David. I will rebuild its ruins and restore it, so that the rest of humanity might seek the LORD, including the Gentiles—all those I have called to be mine. The LORD has spoken—he who made these things known so long ago.’ “And so my judgment is that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from eating food offered to idols, from sexual immorality, from eating the meat of strangled animals, and from consuming blood. For these laws of Moses has been preached in Jewish synagogues in every city on every Sabbath for many generations.” (Acts 15:13-21 NLT fixed)​

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Brother, the clean and unclean animals were known to Peter through Moses. James expected us to adopt these truths by listening to Moses "every Sabbath" as God uses the Gentiles, turning to God, to "restore the fallen house of David". The church was still being convinced of the new truths and Peter's vision of Jesus doing the circumcision, now no longer done by humans, helps us now to adopt what they already knew about the unclean animals. Our challenges today are not the same challenges they had then: we challenged the unclean animals after 2000 years of failing to adopt Moses while they were challenging Jesus doing the circumcision no longer done by humans.

When they had finished, James stood and said, “Brothers, listen to me. Peter has told you about the time God first visited the Gentiles to take from them a people for himself. And this conversion of Gentiles is exactly what the prophets predicted. As it is written: ‘Afterward I will return and restore the fallen house of David. I will rebuild its ruins and restore it, so that the rest of humanity might seek the LORD, including the Gentiles—all those I have called to be mine. The LORD has spoken—he who made these things known so long ago.’ “And so my judgment is that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from eating food offered to idols, from sexual immorality, from eating the meat of strangled animals, and from consuming blood. For these laws of Moses has been preached in Jewish synagogues in every city on every Sabbath for many generations.” (Acts 15:13-21 NLT fixed)​

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Brother, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you.

So... Jesus determined that the church could bear the laws about clean and unclean animals, but didn't tell anyone except Peter. How was the church know which of the laws of Moses Jesus had determined they could bear?

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