Did Jesus claim Divinity?

[Gary51]

Godchild87, I searched every corner of this topic.....but I did not find your unanswered question.... I have this feeling your just tricking me....

What... and that surprises you?

 

[Gary51]

1/3 is not 100 percent.....[/quote]

Of course, as I have already stated, mainstream Christianity has the ability to violate the natural laws of mathematics.

1+1+1 = 1 Only mainsteam Christianity can do that.

 

[brinny]

Did Jesus say he is a God?

Did you read the Bible? What's your conclusion?

 

[Zebra1552]

Of course, as I have already stated, mainstream Christianity has the ability to violate the natural laws of mathematics.

1+1+1 = 1 Only mainsteam Christianity can do that.

Yeah, put a three for a denominator with the first three ones of the equation and you have it right. I really hate repeating myself.

 

[Zebra1552]

1/3 is not 100 percent.....

What verses?

The verses named and quoted in the first three pages of this thread. Again, forty posts per page. Run a search. Try hitting control + f to search for specific words on the page. It's not that difficult.

 

[Zebra1552]

If you said it I would agree... but Christ said it... So I'm not sure if He meant it as an insult or some kind of analogy.

Oh, so because he's Jesus he can't have been insulting them? Faulty logic, there, you're proving my case about you being illogical. And again, with all this typing you're doing you could just read the blasted post.

 

[Zebra1552]

Godchild87, I searched every corner of this topic.....but I did not find your unanswered question.... I have this feeling your just tricking me....

Okay, I am going to post a link. It's something you click that takes you to another part of this thread. In that link you will find more links to those questions. Click on them. Read.

 

[scriptures]

Okay, I am going to post a link. It's something you click that takes you to another part of this thread. In that link you will find more links to those questions. Click on them. Read.

I looked at your link.....Those are intended for Gary and not me..... what is you verse to support your belief?

Gary although a non christian, was so splendid in correcting many of your errors.....

 

[Gary51]

I really hate repeating myself.

So do I, but sometimes it's needed.

1+1+1= 3 No matter which way I appoach it, it always comes out the same!

 

[Gary51]

Oh, so because he's Jesus he can't have been insulting them? Faulty logic, there, you're proving my case about you being illogical. And again, with all this typing you're doing you could just read the blasted post.[/quote]

Ummm... faulty logic...

1+1+1 = 1 Seems faulty to me!

100% man 100% God... Ummm sounds faulty again!

Looks like someone can't accept the natural laws of mathematics that God gave us.

 

[Zebra1552]

Ummm... faulty logic...

1+1+1 = 1 Seems faulty to me!

100% man 100% God... Ummm sounds faulty again!

Looks like someone can't accept the natural laws of mathematics that God gave us.

Ummm maybe that would be valid if we were talking about just math here. 100% water is also 100% ice, and can also be 100% gas, and 100% liquid- all the while being 100% water. Just like steam is 100% gas and 100% water, the Spirit is 100% Spirit and 100% God, just like Jesus is 100% man and 100% God, just like the Father is 100% Father and 100% God.

So do I, but sometimes it's needed.

1+1+1= 3 No matter which way I appoach it, it always comes out the same!

Sorry, but that is not what we are claiming. So go check your math again.

 

[Zebra1552]

I looked at your link.....Those are intended for Gary and not me..... what is you verse to support your belief?

The entire post is meant for both of you. Here's the part for you:

No, it is my way of making a boundary for both you and Gary here. If you cannot have the respect to answer my questions in a way that does not ridicule me or my beliefs, then I will not answer your questions.

Post 542-


Also see post 372 and 362 along the lines of actually providing arguments.

There is also post 337 where you ignored my question and asked questions of your own. Again, belittling my beliefs.

Gary although a non christian, was so splendid in correcting many of your errors.....

Sorry, in order to correct any theological errors I am making he would have to correct the theology, and so far he's not mentioned a single verse that supports his opinion.

 

[aDarwinist]

Sorry, in order to correct any theological errors I am making he would have to correct the theology, and so far he's not mentioned a single verse that supports his opinion.

Not if you consider that theology itself IS an error. One might just as well argue that one's knowledge of fairyological history is more thorough than anothers.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Ummm maybe that would be valid if we were talking about just math here. 100% water is also 100% ice, and can also be 100% gas, and 100% liquid- all the while being 100% water. Just like steam is 100% gas and 100% water, the Spirit is 100% Spirit and 100% God, just like Jesus is 100% man and 100% God, just like the Father is 100% Father and 100% God.

Ah, but that's where the analogy fails. Water vapour is 100% gas and 100% water, but only because they're different ways of looking at the same thing. To compare this to the Trinity is to imply Modalism or Sabellianism, which I don't think you subscribe to.

Sorry, but that is not what we are claiming. So go check your math again.

I think it's more accurate to say you are proposing that:

1. A = B
2. A = C
3. B ≠ C

Is that right?

 

[Zebra1552]

Ah, but that's where the analogy fails. Water vapour is 100% gas and 100% water, but only because they're different ways of looking at the same thing. To compare this to the Trinity is to imply Modalism or Sabellianism, which I don't think you subscribe to.

No analogy is perfect, and the bit about water is intended to show, more simplistically, what you state below.

I think it's more accurate to say you are proposing that:

1. A = B
2. A = C
3. B ≠ C

Is that right?

Yeah, but I like to use simple language when I discuss things with people who probably won't get what I'm saying. Thus the water bit.

 

[Zebra1552]

Not if you consider that theology itself IS an error. One might just as well argue that one's knowledge of fairyological history is more thorough than anothers.

HI! Welcome to CHRISTIAN apologetics. We discuss things from a Christian POV here. So no, I am not going to consider that the Christian bit is not part of apologetics. Perhaps you missed the change in the enforcement?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

No analogy is perfect, and the bit about water is intended to show, more simplistically, what you state below.

No, but an analogy should have obvious parallels with the thing your analogising. That's the point of an analogy.

Yeah, but I like to use simple language when I discuss things with people who probably won't get what I'm saying. Thus the water bit.

Nevertheless, you accept that what you are proposing is a logical paradox? Why, then, attempt to explain it?

 

[Zebra1552]

No, but an analogy should have obvious parallels with the thing your analogising. That's the point of an analogy.

And it does. Water can still be water and be steam in the same way that God can be God and be Spirit.

Nevertheless, you accept that what you are proposing is a logical paradox? Why, then, attempt to explain it?

Because some geniuses here think a paradox is the same as a contradiction.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

And it does. Water can still be water and be steam in the same way that God can be God and be Spirit.

Again, this would imply Modalism, which I do not think is the concept you are trying to get across.

Because some geniuses here think a paradox is the same as a contradiction.

I'm not sure about all paradoxes being contradictions, but all contradictions are paradoxes. If a belief system can be shown to lead to a logical paradox (for example, by highlighting internal inconsistency, the belief system has been disproven: it cannot be true.

 

[Chesterton]

I'm not sure about all paradoxes being contradictions, but all contradictions are paradoxes. If a belief system can be shown to lead to a logical paradox (for example, by highlighting internal inconsistency, the belief system has been disproven: it cannot be true.

“Weep not: behold, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, [which] hath prevailed…And I beheld…a Lamb as it had been slain…” Revelation 5:5​

One thing is simultaneously a conquering lion, and a mortally wounded lamb. Christianity has contradictions and paradoxes throughout it. Many are very beautiful, and Christians believe on a higher level of reality, they’re also true.