Did Jesus claim Divinity?

[Zebra1552]

Now that's what I call a flexible belief system!

Funny, most anyone else would call it proper interpretation.

 

[scriptures]

I guess you believe that there is more than one God huh?

Correction, It's you who believe in three Gods camouflage as one God.....

 

[Gary51]

According to the Gospel of John, “ God … knows all things.” (1 John 3:20 KJV)

Jesus did not know which seed is the smallest. He said, “... a grain of mustard seed ... is the smallest of all seeds ...” (Matthew 13:31-32 KJV)

White or brown mustard seeds are about 2.5 mm (1/10 inch) in diameter. They are many times larger than the orchid seed, which is the smallest of all seeds.

Hence, why would He claim to be God who knows all things, when He didn't know all things?

 

[Nadiine]

According to the Gospel of John, “ God … knows all things.” (1 John 3:20 KJV)

Jesus did not know which seed is the smallest. He said, “... a grain of mustard seed ... is the smallest of all seeds ...” (Matthew 13:31-32 KJV)

White or brown mustard seeds are about 2.5 mm (1/10 inch) in diameter. They are many times larger than the orchid seed, which is the smallest of all seeds.

Hence, why would He claim to be God who knows all things, when He didn't know all things?

Again, all you're doing is using the Bible to refute itself back and forth.

As we keep saying, the Bible continues to define and elaborate on the Trinity - distinguishing them. It isn't teaching against Christ's deity, and especially while He was in human form.

Heb. 2 and John 1 tell us that He took on flesh/humanity to fully experience it in our place and in our limitations. We are limited, and Christ took that on in Himself.

This is why He FULLY relied on the Father - to tell Him what to say, give Him the power to perform His miracles and send Him where He was to go.
This is our direct example on how we are to FULLY rely on God for everything to walk with Him in newness of life.

All we do is thru HIS power above - none of our own. Jesus did the same.
He had a human nature that He took on.
The verses you're using are only emphasizing His ministry in the FLESH NATURE - they don't nullify His Deity - that was veiled and.....
"untapped" as He went thru His ministry.

All the verses you find that relay His limitations don't refute the Trinity; they affirm His HUMAN NATURE taken on by the Messiah who came in the flesh to save mankind.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Correction, It's you who believe in three Gods camouflage as one God.....

Correction, that is a gross misrepresentaion of what we do believe . . . and the sheer fact that you have decided to show this just reveals how much you do NOT know . . . try again bruh.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

According to the Gospel of John, “ God … knows all things.” (1 John 3:20 KJV)

Jesus did not know which seed is the smallest. He said, “... a grain of mustard seed ... is the smallest of all seeds ...” (Matthew 13:31-32 KJV)

White or brown mustard seeds are about 2.5 mm (1/10 inch) in diameter. They are many times larger than the orchid seed, which is the smallest of all seeds.

Hence, why would He claim to be God who knows all things, when He didn't know all things?

Easy, the word used for seed (spermaton) is used in history as refering to CROPS and food seed . . . so Orchids don't apply . . .

see how a good greek class woud come in handy!

 

[Nadiine]

Correction, that is a gross misrepresentaion of what we do believe . . . and the sheer fact that you have decided to show this just reveals how much you do NOT know . . . try again bruh.

And I believe that's twice now too.

Kinda like the people who tell people of other religions what they actually believe when they deny it and try to set them straight.

 

[Themusic]

Did Jesus say he is a God?

Yes He did. please see Rev 1: 8.

 

[Zebra1552]

According to the Gospel of John, “ God … knows all things.” (1 John 3:20 KJV)

Jesus did not know which seed is the smallest. He said, “... a grain of mustard seed ... is the smallest of all seeds ...” (Matthew 13:31-32 KJV)

White or brown mustard seeds are about 2.5 mm (1/10 inch) in diameter. They are many times larger than the orchid seed, which is the smallest of all seeds.

Hence, why would He claim to be God who knows all things, when He didn't know all things?

You have a significant problem with your lack of logic here. Jesus was not just God, he was also fully man. Thus is it fully possible for Jesus to say He did not know some things.

 

[Gary51]

Easy, the word used for seed (spermaton) is used in history as refering to CROPS and food seed . . . so Orchids don't apply . . .

see how a good greek class woud come in handy!

I like that answer... I'm beginning to see that Greek is sometimes helpful.

But, I have to say that an all knowing God needs to ask no questions.

Jesus asked many questions... So, He cannot be all knowing... If He is not all knowing, then He is not God.

BTW, I'm going to research food and crop seeds to see if the mustard seed really is the smallest.

 

[PETE_]

I like that answer... I'm beginning to see that Greek is sometimes helpful.

But, I have to say that an all knowing God needs to ask no questions.

Jesus asked many questions... So, He cannot be all knowing... If He is not all knowing, then He is not God.

BTW, I'm going to research food and crop seeds to see if the mustard seed really is the smallest.

Asking a question is not neccessarily an indication that you do not know the answer already.

 

[Nadiine]

You have a significant problem with your lack of logic here. Jesus was not just God, he was also fully man. Thus is it fully possible for Jesus to say He did not know some things.

exactly.

And this is why people who refute the Trinity end up causing the Bible to self refute.
It defines both of His natures at different times in History.

Trinitarians use ALL the verses in the Bible and they coincide with all scripture, making it consistent in teaching one truth.

Non trinitarians make the bible useless to teach truth becuz it teaches heresy in some spots while they only embrace a few verses they can understand.

 

[Gary51]

Asking a question is not neccessarily an indication that you do not know the answer already.

That is true when one wants another to admit he knows something....

But, the real reason for asking a question is to learn something that one does not know!

Before Jesus raised Lazarus, He wanted to know where his body was laid... He said, "Where have you laid him?"

If Jesus already knew why ask the question?... Do you think He wanted to make Lazarus' family admit they knew where they laid his body?

 

[scriptures]

Correction, that is a gross misrepresentaion of what we do believe . . . and the sheer fact that you have decided to show this just reveals how much you do NOT know . . . try again bruh.

Of course you will never admit it... It's your dogma.... You will die for it....

Try to read the Bible without your dogma in mind and then puffsss your eyes will be open......

 

[scriptures]

That is true when one wants another to admit he knows something....

But, the real reason for asking a question is to learn something that one does not know!

Before Jesus raised Lazarus, He wanted to know where his body was laid... He said, "Where have you laid him?"

If Jesus already knew why ask the question?... Do you think He wanted to make Lazarus' family admit they knew where they laid his body?

Jesus asked questions because he is not God almighty.... He is not all knowing....

 

[Gary51]

Jesus asked questions because he is not God almighty.... He is not all knowing....

Spot on...

 

[Nadiine]

Jesus asked questions because he is not God almighty.... He is not all knowing....

Then your bible lies elsewhere I guess. Once again, you cannot promote your beliefs without making the bible false elsewhere. Rending your bible a heretical mess.

John 21:17
He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep.

Acts 1:24
(context is of Christ)And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen

John 16;30
30"Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God."

Mt 11:27
27"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

He isn't almighty God?

Hebrews claims He is:
Hebrews 1:8
But to the Son He [Father] says:“ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

(In greek it reads, HO THEOS/THE GOD - that is the strongest affirmation of Almighty God that exists in Greek. Jesus IS called GOD Almighty in this verse).

Isaiah claims He's YHWY OF Armies (Lord of hosts):
Isaiah 44:6
[ There Is No Other God ] “ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.

Both LORD of Israel and LORD of hosts are called YHWY.
BOTH claim they are first and last, and there is no other God besides Him.

The Lord of Hosts is distinguished from Lord of Israel. Jesus is "KING OF THE JEWS".. (king)...
get it?

This is heresy if Jesus is not God and I'd consider throwing out my bible if I believed as you when my belief is so contradicted by the bible.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Of course you will never admit it... It's your dogma.... You will die for it....

Try to read the Bible without your dogma in mind and then puffsss your eyes will be open......

U miss the point entirely . . . I did not ask you what you felt about what we believe or whether or not you feel it is biblical . . . I TOLD you that what you DID represent as our beliefs is GROSS MISREPRESENTATION.

And if you cannot take the time to articulate it right . . . or at least try to understand it, even if you do not agree, then you know nothing of grace dude . . . and your posits are vain.

 

[Gary51]

Anyone got an answer to post #433?

 

[stone]

That is true when one wants another to admit he knows something....

But, the real reason for asking a question is to learn something that one does not know!

Before Jesus raised Lazarus, He wanted to know where his body was laid... He said, "Where have you laid him?"

If Jesus already knew why ask the question?... Do you think He wanted to make Lazarus' family admit they knew where they laid his body?

I'll take a look at this. As far as the question, have your teachers ever asked you a question that they already knew the answer to?