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You either didn't take the pill, or it didn't work...If I was not taking you seriously I would not have the decency to point out the flaws in your arguments and claims. If I was not taking you seriously, I would do you disrespect and simply laugh at them, mock them, ignore them, or start attacking your character- all of which are immature choices. What is your choice?
Gary.... just keep on posting.... I am learning a lot from you....
Gary, take a look at this site.....
[URL="http://www.scripturaltruths.com/jesus/j2028/"]http://www.scripturaltruths.com/jesus/j2028/[/URL]
Those that believe Jesus is God cling to the "I am" quote with such desperation.You know, I did not say that Jesus said I am God word for word. I said that he said 'I am' which is what I was asking you to explain.
I don't think so... so show me where.Then you just admitted that Jesus thought He was God.
No, it means you don't understand!Thus, Jesus' 'I am' statements mean the same thing as 'I am God'
Those that believe Jesus is God cling to the "I am" quote with such desperation.
Jesus did not claim to be God... He did not say "I am God", as you admit. So in a desperate search thought scripture you find the "I am" line and interpret incorectly to fit your false belief.
"Before Abraham I am"... Jesus was God's first thought... Jesus was God's first creation. Jesus was before Abraham!
Jesus is God's only begotten Son... BEGOTTEN.
I don't think so... so show me where.
No, it means you don't understand!
My brother Kevin, is five years younger than me...
Before Kevin, I am...
Oh yes, there is a statement that points to divinity through God.How could someone deny that Jesus is divine after reading the following verse.
Joh 17:3And this is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent-Jesus Christ.
Joh 17:4I glorified you on earth by completing the task you gave me to do.
Joh 17:5So now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world existed.
Where did you get that idea? That is really quite ridiculous.... Was it so common to go around claiming to be God, that it was given the name blasphemy?Blasphemy to the Pharisees was to claim to be God
Where did you get that idea? That is really quite ridiculous.... Was it so common to go around claiming to be God, that it was given the name blasphemy?
Pleaseeee..... Blasphemy takes many forms...
The Pharisees thought Jesus was claiming to be equal to God... not God...
If they thought He was claiming to be God, they would have thought Him insane!
Why?... We are miles apart... that should be obvious.LOL!!! Is that the only part of my post that you question? How about responding to the rest of my post.
Why?... We are miles apart... that should be obvious.
I picked on that part of you post as a starting point.
Slowly, slowly, catch a monkey!
Perhaps we can have a civil conversation without getting off topic?You either didn't take the pill, or it didn't work...
Maybe you should double the dose!
Then perhaps you would like to show me how it is false rather than simply making the claim?Those that believe Jesus is God cling to the "I am" quote with such desperation.
Jesus did not claim to be God... He did not say "I am God", as you admit. So in a desperate search thought scripture you find the "I am" line and interpret incorectly to fit your false belief.
How do you explain the fact that Paul considered Jesus equal to God (Phillipians 2:5-7, see bottom of post)?"Before Abraham I am"... Jesus was God's first thought... Jesus was God's first creation. Jesus was before Abraham!
Jesus is God's only begotten Son... BEGOTTEN.
Right here:I don't think so... so show me where.
The Jews' wanted to stone Jesus for making himself equal to God!
Do not accuse me of not understanding things unless you have proof that you understand things more logically than I do.No, it means you don't understand!
My brother Kevin, is five years younger than me...
Before Kevin, I am...
Lets see...Perhaps we can have a civil conversation without getting off topic?
That fact the Jesus never said the words "I am God" anywhere in the Bible, is it's own proof, therefore my claim is proven!Then perhaps you would like to show me how it is false rather than simply making the claim?
What's to explain?... Jesus is equal to God. But He is not God.... Two beings being equal does not make one being!How do you explain the fact that Paul considered Jesus equal to God (Phillipians 2:5-7, see bottom of post)?
Boy you're hard work. My saying that the Jews wanted to stone Jesus because they thought He was making Himself equal to God... does not mean I think He is God.... See above quote.Right here:
Lol.... Sorry for laughing but that's really quite amusing. Have you never heard of equal rights? May I suggest you look up the word in a dictionary. Two things can be equal... they can also be identical, but they are still two things.You said Jesus was making himself equal to God. If two things are equal they cannot be different.
Correct.... He is not God. He is the Son of God.Jesus cannot be God and not God.
Jesus cannot be equal to God and not equal to God.Actually He can be... But He never said that, what He did say was, "The Father is greater than I am"
Would that be your logic?This is the law of identity in logic.
Is that more of your logic?Do not accuse me of not understanding things unless you have proof that you understand things more logically than I do.
I dare not imagine how you interpret that verse!"Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men."
Remember this, I was talking about what the Jews thought. It was you that got all bent out of shape, and took the wrong turn.
Lets see...
The fact that other people claim that Jesus claimed to be God, shown to you at least twice, casts doubt on your 'proven' claim.That fact the Jesus never said the words "I am God" anywhere in the Bible, is it's own proof, therefore my claim is proven!
You just contradicted yourself. You cannot be equal yet not equal. It is illogical and impossible.What's to explain?... Jesus is equal to God. But He is not God.... Two beings being equal does not make one being!
Equal to God and being God are the same thing.Boy you're hard work. My saying that the Jews wanted to stone Jesus because they thought He was making Himself equal to God... does not mean I think He is God.... See above quote.
They are still the same two things, not two separate and different things. They are the same. If A is equal to A, it cannot be B, so to speak.Lol.... Sorry for laughing but that's really quite amusing. Have you never heard of equal rights? May I suggest you look up the word in a dictionary. Two things can be equal... they can also be identical, but they are still two things.
If I had not read your postBut, you have not read my post right have you?
So now you are implying that a crowd of Jews was crazy and were hearing things when they heard what Jesus said? Very unlikely, given that they are backed by the writings of Paul, seen in my last post.I said, the Jews wanted to stone Jesus, because they thought He was making Himself equal to God... So I never said, Jesus was making Himself equal to God, Did I?
You keep claiming he is not God, yet you keep capitalizing 'He'. Usually people do that when they are referring to God. And anyhow, you still have not proven your claim of him not being God.Correct.... He is not God. He is the Son of God.
That is a different member of the Trinity. All parts of the Trinity are God, but not all parts are Jesus. Or the Father.Actually He can be... But He never said that, what He did say was, "The Father is greater than I am"
Please refer to this page:Would that be your logic?
Is that more of your logic?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_identity
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In logic, the law of identity states that an object is the same as itself: A ≡ A
I dare not imagine how you interpret that verse!I do not get bent out of shape when people argue illogically. I do debate them and argue logically in return. Before you respond to this, you might want to add up just the Scripture that has been presented.Remember this, I was talking about what the Jews thought. It was you that got all bent out of shape, and took the wrong turn.
You are missing nothing... Spot on!I've always been curious how Trinitarians explain Jesus' temptation in the wilderness. Satan tries to tempt Jesus by offering him the world. This makes absolutely no sense if Jesus is the Creator of the universe. A created being offering God the world is a ridiculous concept...unless I'm missing something.
Satan is the god of this age- he owns the earth because of the fall. That's how. It's in Paul's writings:I've always been curious how Trinitarians explain Jesus' temptation in the wilderness. Satan tries to tempt Jesus by offering him the world. This makes absolutely no sense if Jesus is the Creator of the universe. A created being offering God the world is a ridiculous concept...unless I'm missing something.
"My God!" the anointed one of God can't be God himself.... did you get the point, brother???
The only way Satan can "own" the earth is if God gives it to him - unless you believe in a God who is not omnipotent. Otherwise, it is God who allows Satan to operate on the earth. So, again, Satan offering the Creator of the universe possession of his own world is ridiculous. Not only this, Satan thinks it a possiblity that Jesus (God) will worship him. LOL. This makes no sense.Satan is the god of this age- he owns the earth because of the fall. That's how.
You speak as if Jesus and God are two seperate beings.The thing Jesus was being tempted with was not getting the entire world- it was getting the entire world sooner than God the Father wanted him to.
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