Did God create evil?

[allhart]

What is evil....? What is sin other than lawlessness? Whose laws are we taking about n evil is always brought up in the likeness of humans.

 

[Wgw]

What is evil....? What is sin other than lawlessness? Whose laws are we taking about n evil is always brought up in the likeness of humans.

The word for sin in the original Koine Greek text of the NT is hamartia, which means "to miss the mark," which implies a broader definition of sin than strictly a matter of religious legislation.

 

[allhart]

The word for sin in the original Koine Greek text of the NT is hamartia, which means "to miss the mark," which implies a broader definition of sin than strictly a matter of religious legislation.

Do you u want to know how to act around a King or your King!? Knowing the precepts, concepts n statues are very important... Most do not even know what kingdom or kingship means... The bible is a constitution n a bridal agreement.... If we take on the Holy Spirit the laws are a promise not a bunch of taxing does n don't's

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Do you u want to know how to act around a King or your King!? Knowing the precepts, concepts n statues are very important... Most do not even know what kingdom or kingship means... The bible is a constitution n a bridal agreement.... If we take on the Holy Spirit the laws are a promise not a bunch of taxing does n don't's

And the groom said we could follow just two simple rules and deal is struck - with the intent of all the prior laws also being met without needing to concern ourselves.

 

[allhart]

And the groom said we could follow just two simple rules and deal is struck - with the intent of all the prior laws also being met without needing to concern ourselves.

Be holy for I am holy!?

 

[Yeholiver]

Hillsage, 2knowhim and others in defense of Universal Reconciliation (UR), have argued that God created evil.

I have defended the traditional orthodox view that God is All Good and maintain that one cannot say that God is All Good and believe He creates the opposite. Certainly evil is a part of our reality, but it directly caused by the acts of God's creatures rather than God Himself. The only thing one can say God did in that regard is to give those creatures (angels and us) the freedom to love Him or not. It would be the not loving All Good which brings evil from purely a potential to reality.

God did not intend to create evil. I will say when God made the light, it was mixed with the Darkness, then god seperates them. The same happens with Wisdom, folly comes as a by product, the opposite of Wisdom, and with the truth also, as God creates the Word, truth and untruth are made with it(true word and untrue words)- and they are then seperated. The liar is born by god making Truth- but you cant get rid of the liar, you would have to get rid of truth also, to do so. To say to get rid of the devil you have to get rid of the word completely.

You notice a change tho- after the Lair tempts Eve, the liars is cursed by God and so changes from his orginal form. into the dragon we know of today.

So yeah God did not intend for evil, but things created have their opposites, with darkness there is light, with truth there is lies, and with wisdom there is folly. The opposite sides of a Spirit of a thing, seperated by god after there creation.

 

[Yeholiver]

Be holy for I am holy!?

to be holy is to be set apart

 

[allhart]

to be holy is to be set apart

I can say that those that follow Yahweh's Torah are definitely set apart lol. Also his yoke is light n not burdensome!

 

[allhart]

Example...Papa say rest n we say we can't afford to rest. Papa says these are my feasts now let's celebrate but we are to good to trust in His word but we will celebrate the ways of the world (Baal n moloch) not set apart but joined at the hip!

 

[Gnostic Guy]

God did not intend to create evil. I will say when God made the light, it was mixed with the Darkness, then god seperates them. The same happens with Wisdom, folly comes as a by product, the opposite of Wisdom, and with the truth also, as God creates the Word, truth and untruth are made with it(true word and untrue words)- and they are then seperated. The liar is born by god making Truth- but you cant get rid of the liar, you would have to get rid of truth also, to do so. To say to get rid of the devil you have to get rid of the word completely.

You notice a change tho- after the Lair tempts Eve, the liars is cursed by God and so changes from his orginal form. into the dragon we know of today.

So yeah God did not intend for evil, but things created have their opposites, with darkness there is light, with truth there is lies, and with wisdom there is folly. The opposite sides of a Spirit of a thing, seperated by god after there creation.

You are limiting your God's power. An omnipotent being can do anything it so desires. It doesn't have to create good and evil. It could just create good (or evil).

 

[Gnostic Guy]

As Plato, a pagan, postulated the concept of a benevolent deity being also evil are not compatible. One or the other not both. So we can have good deities and we can have evil deities. We cannot have a deity that is or does both.

I like craps. Am certain He knows the outcome of every roll, yet He did not/does not fix the game. Could He intervene in a craps game - sure and absolutely. Bear with me as this is new analogy/thought for me and analogies can ONLY go so far - not saying it is perfect but it makes the point.

In craps after a point (good) is established a seven on the next roll represents a bad thing (evil) to most players. Lets say a point has been made and we have only one more role in the history of mankind. It comes up seven (evil). Does the fact we could say He "made" dice, which created a potential for that seven, mean that God created the evil that just occurred?

My point is yes God made everything. He also knows everything that will be. And some things, like that dice roll, He made as outcomes of contingency. Meaning that next role did not HAVE to be a seven. It could have been the result of 30 other possible outcomes producing 11 other totals besides 7 instead. So when God "made" dice that "seven" was only a potential outcome. Meaning it was NOT necessary that the 7 had to be that next roll.
So before that last roll, we can say only that God made "seven" a potential outcome. And after that role, unless we believe God Himself intervened in that contingent outcome for some reason (which He could), we can only say that when He "created" dice He ALLOWED that the "seven" was possible and in this particular case allowed it to occure - rather than MAKING/CREATING/DOING a seven (evil).

Consider for the large part of the angels that the seven (evil) was not a certainty when He made any of them. Evil was not a certainty when He made Satan, the one angel who helped make that seven (evil) a part of our reality. It was a contingency because God made them all free to choose. So it was Satan's actions, not God's that made the seven (evil) real. The fact most angels did not sin proves that act was a choice for all angels. That choice is a two sided dice for every creature that God gave such a choice. In our experience that Gift includes only the angels first and then mankind second. So the outcome of that choice would be already be known to God, but He freely gave it creatures He made to Love Him.

Could He have given us no choice but to Love Him? Sure He could have. But what kind of Love for us would/do we call it where we are forced to return it. What would be the value of forcing someone to love us?

So what you are saying is that God created the possibility for evil? That's like putting gasoline and matches in front of an arsonist. They'll always start burning crap just how we will always commit sin.

 

[patrick jane]

God did not create evil. God looked at all that He created and saw that it was GOOD. God created all things GOOD, He didn't mess up and create a couple of bad things. Jesus Christ created all things:

Colossians 1:16 KJV

So I do not entertain the idea that God created evil, free will did, from the fall of satan to the fall of man.

 

[2KnowHim]

God did not create evil. God looked at all that He created and saw that it was GOOD. God created all things GOOD, He didn't mess up and create a couple of bad things. Jesus Christ created all things:

God calls those things "That be NOT as though they were". When quoting what God said here (He created and saw that it was Good). .....He was seeing the end Not the beginning. He was foretelling so to speak.

Isa_46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

The same as when He says, "He created mankind in His image," ......this image is His Son, The Christ, and through Him we are created in His image. Again declaring the end of all things, from the beginning, that is what God saw as Good.

Jer 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Jer 29:12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.


Darkness in and of itself is not good, ...just look at the definition of the word in the Heb. Gen.1:2
kho-shek'
From H2821; the dark; hence (literally) darkness; figuratively misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness: - dark (-ness), night, obscurity

But it was necessary for us To Know Him, To Love Him, To Know Him in all His Attributes, as Father, Saviour, Friend, Redeemer, Provider, Protector, Righteousness, as comforter, Brother, Son, The Law, The Prophets, Mercy, Love, compassion etc. etc.....
In order to truly Love someone, you must first come to Know them.
Luk 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

 

[Yeholiver]

You are limiting your God's power. An omnipotent being can do anything it so desires. It doesn't have to create good and evil. It could just create good (or evil).

To a degree the issue is freedom, god gave men freedom and some use that freedom to do evil, as a consiquence of giving something Good freedom- men have the ability to be Evil.

I certainly do not seek to limit God and I know God is good. As such God created good things, but as a side effect bad things came to.

And that reality Proves God Good, he did not seek any evil, to exist.

 

[allhart]

To a degree the issue is freedom, god gave men freedom and some use that freedom to do evil, as a consiquence of giving something Good freedom- men have the ability to be Evil.

I certainly do not seek to limit God and I know God is good. As such God created good things, but as a side effect bad things came to.

And that reality Proves God Good, he did not seek any evil, to exist.

What is evil n who defined evil? Has evil been persuaded by ones own mined n definitions or the Holy Word of Yahweh!?
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Isthe law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

I use to think we could know good without evil however one can if innocence resides... In simple terms.... Intent... Example: would say a child of 1-2 that spilt milk or dropped food had malice in the heart!?

 

[Yeholiver]

What is evil n who defined evil? Has evil been persuaded by ones own mined n definitions or the Holy Word of Yahweh!?

You´ll have to make up your own mind on these questions, god gave you your freedom for that very point!

 

[allhart]

You´ll have to make up your own mind on these questions, god gave you your freedom for that very point!

Yahweh defines what is evil in my self reflection.....

 

[DrBubbaLove]

So what you are saying is that God created the possibility for evil? That's like putting gasoline and matches in front of an arsonist. They'll always start burning crap just how we will always commit sin.

Jesus did not sin. Mary did not sin. Several folks from the OT are said to in some way have reached a state with God such they by-passed death - which to me suggests at the very least they stopped sinning. The large majority of the angels did not sin and they were made the same way/time Satan was.

So am unclear why we should believe that giving us a choice to light the match or not means everyone will lite the match, when obviously everyone will not. I could see some confusion in that our human nature itself is corrupted simply by being born human - because of Adam's sin. In that respect it was Adam's free choice that creates that reality - the corrupted part.

So it is true we tend to want to light the match, but we still have a choice and we do not have to do it. So even there when talking about a corrupted nature due to Adam's sin, it is not at all clear that being born that way requires us to light the match - especially when God told us we could live now as He lived without doing so. So yes, there is a huge distinction between saying God makes the existence of something contingent (potential) and saying God made it necessary.

 

[jugghead]

This isn't about whether or not we will light a match ...... we have all eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil .... just like Adam ..... if we haven't we could not know the difference between the two .....

Do you not yet understand that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is your own family tree .... your genealogy .... it is your families (ancestors) laws that have been handed down from one generation to the next as to what they think is good and what is evil ..... do you believe everyone had it right? I don't when it comes to my own family tree.

Why do you think it was so important to show the genealogy of Christ ..... He knew all that was good and evil because He knew each and everyone from Himself all the way back to Adam.

 

[ewq1938]

Do you not yet understand that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is your own family tree .... your genealogy .... it is your families (ancestors) laws that have been handed down from one generation to the next as to what they think is good and what is evil ..... do you believe everyone had it right? I don't when it comes to my own family tree.

I don't agree with that. The tree was a metaphor for the results of a certain kind of sin which after committing left two formerly innocent people who didn't even know they were naked to suddenly feel shame and know they were naked. Only some sort of sexual abuse or sexual experience does that. Whatever it represented, it certainly wasn't a real tree and fruit that was literally eaten.