Did evolution create consciousness?

[wblastyn]

I think I said this before somewhere, but I read an article once that said that the neurones in our brain cannot produce "thought"; rather they act like radio receivers, "picking up" thoughts from "somewhere" and translating them into a form we can understand.

 

[auswiq]

I will think this through some more, but I consider that the human mind serves as an 'interface' between the world of phenomena (all the empirical informational data, gained from the physical realm) and the Noumenal (the realm of God, the Source of intelligence; consciousness; Wisdom).

Our brains are 'wired' for this interface to be productively functional. As I said, Ill give more thought so as to clarify this proposition.

 

 

[sulphur]

That is why we have agnostics. The pure idea of death is a challenge of excitement of what we or may not find

 

[notto]

Originally posted by auswiq
Consciousness - L. cum sciere - to know together with. (Dict. of etymology)

Do the currently known fundamental constituents of matter, of which our body/brain are essentially constituted, possess this attribute? Assuming that the former are 'blind' sub-atomic wave-functions, particles or whatever, then I'd be curious to know from whence consciousness has its genesis. With what do we ' know together '?

 

Why are blankets soft?

 

[Stormy]

Does consciousness also have to do with intelligence? I have always wondered where abstract thoughts come from? Where do ideas originate that have no history? Why are some people gifted? What makes the IQ of humans differ to such an extent? How long before we can understand and can boost our IQs?

This is weird. The atheist will roll their eyes. But I read an article that at least some Scientist think that we may be like radio receptors... picking up random thoughts that are by some unknown means.... out there.

 

[Hector Medina]

With evolution you cannot determine right or wrong.

You don't know where you go when you die.

Death brought man into the world.

We are uncertain of the future


And more.....

God Bless,

Hector

 

[lithium.]

With evolution you cannot determine right or wrong.

I believe in evolution and guess what I know what is right, and wrong. I know it's wrong to kill, steal, hurt, and etc.

You don't know where you go when you die.

Why? You can still believe in a religion. Evolution doesn't talk about origin of life or the afterlife.

Death brought man into the world.

Huh? Well that would be your opinion that isn't fact.

We are uncertain of the future

Yeah your right there, but we are not uncertain of the past.

And more.....

More what? More YECIST lies

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by Tripping Further
The unknown, which is the same thing that nearly everyone in the world is afraid of. Every religion in the history of man has been created out of a fear of the unknown to explain the unexplainable and know the unknown, so weather you hide behind the mask of religion or openly admit to fear, conscienceness creates the fear of death, and a greater appreciation and love of life.

Your so wrong! I am not scared of the unknown I love the unknown. That is the reason I love science. I'm not scared when I die I have no reason to be because my life is over I would be dead.

 

[lithium.]

.

 

[auswiq]

Originally posted by Stormy
Does consciousness also have to do with intelligence? I have always wondered where abstract thoughts come from? Where do ideas originate that have no history? Why are some people gifted? What makes the IQ of humans differ to such an extent? How long before we can understand and can boost our IQs?

Intelligence : L. inter - legere - to choose between -

We, through our sense receptors gather information from our environment where it is stored in neural format inour cortex as 'percepts' the raw material from which fundamental ideas, in turn, being the building blocks of concepts, are formed. e.g, we see a round object (percept 1) that by touch, that it is hard and smooth(percept2) and form concept 'ball'- an abstraction of both percepts, then we step a little higher on level of abstraction and connect this concept with previous concepts of billiard games- hence, billiard ball. Locke, the 17th Cent British empirical philosopher in ' Essay on human understanding'; an early work in field of cognitive psychology; elaborated on this same principle in greater depth.  Will be back later to expand further on this theme of intelligence; iq; cognition etc. This is one area of real interest to me and which I spend quite a bit of time thinking and investigating.

 

 

[auswiq]

Originally posted by Stormy
Does consciousness also have to do with intelligence? I have always wondered where abstract thoughts come from? Where do ideas originate that have no history? Why are some people gifted? What makes the IQ of humans differ to such an extent? How long before we can understand and can boost our IQs?

ok,  continuing from my post -  I believe that intelligence, per se (not 'iq' as such) is concomitant with consciousness; two of the aspects of our being made in the Image of God, whether we decide to accept that or not. The ability to separate between data through perception of their differentiae (discernment) e.g, from a collection of spherical objects of differing materials, textures, such as marbles, billiard balls beach balls, moth balls etc; selecting those fitting the category of, say, tennis balls, according to previously acquired concept of such. (a simple illustration).  The Creator in thebeginning(of the cosmos) separated, differentiated and categorized the differing types of energy-light; darkness; quanta etc, and built up the various forms of matter, again with same principle (I'll think more on this though).

About IQ - Quite honestly, I am certain that IQ tests are really only measuring the level of one's acquired adaptive behaviour and learning skills. The level of development of these skills in the testee, reflected in the test score, is determined according to an established norm for the general population, so that the population average has been arbitrarily set at 100; the middle of a 0 to 200 range. 

Why are some people 'gifted' (IQ130+)?  Possibly due to a more genetically finely-tuned cortical structure (not brain size) and so giving rise to the potential ability to process informational data to a more efficient degree. Cognitive neuroscientists may give some insight into this - worth checking out.   No psychologist, from the top experts in the field, down to your average local practitioner in the field can yet define intelligence per se, anymore than any physicist can do the same with energy, and this despite psychology as a science has been around for well over a century now.     What separates a gifted person from an average, is, as I would consider, the extent one is able to discern and conceptually process information according to acquired insight into the underlying 'patterns' that give sense and meaning to the mass of data and information, presented to the conscious mind and brain.

 

[sulphur]

people can learn how to do IQ tests.it's quite easy , the better you are. by the way what is your MENSA number ?

 

[auswiq]

oh, well actually havn't yet joined mensa, although I certainly do qualify, as I've been assessed recently to be in top 1%. One psychologist who specifies in giftedness, told me that its likely that I'm above that, so curiosity might get me retested. Hopefully on a test with different 'ceiling' say, the stanford-binet this time.

 

[auswiq]

Originally posted by sulphur
people can learn how to do IQ tests.it's quite easy ....

Ah, but getting the knack of doing such tests, leading to false rise in *iq* but not real intelligence would repel me. I prefer the 'genuine article' as to where I fit according to test results.

By the way are you in mensa?

 

 

[sulphur]

That is why I asked for your MENSA number

 

[auswiq]

haha yes, yes of course - I must be getting tired

 

[auswiq]

been thrashing out some issues on other threads here for past few hours

 

[auswiq]

so what is mensa like as a society, as in the people, but more so, in opportunities for research etc?

 

[sulphur]

If you are tired turn the computer off. Have a good nights sleep and come out fighting

 

[auswiq]

Good advice - its time anyway - Even ravenously hungry brains need their R&R - back in the am. Blessings for now