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What we think does not matter- God commanded us to keep His Sabbath holy on the seventh day Exodus 20:8-11 in the exact same way He commanded us to not murder, or steal. Jesus said to keep the least of these commandments quoting directly from the Ten. Matthew 5:19-30. God told Adam and Eve they could eat from any tree except one- its just a tree right, so what difference does a day make? You can wait and find out if God really cares about the day, or trust we should do what He commands us to do.So celebrating the Sabbath on Sunday rather than Saturday is as grave a sin as murder? Is that what you believe?
That's right, we don't want to fulfill the desires of the flesh!In context James is not making the point of the form "go ahead and take God's name in vain -- since I am sure you will do at least something wrong at some point... no worries ... pay no attention, why live as if you will be judged by such a law?"
If there is a way to bend-wrench the following into the statement I just wrote above -- please let me know.
James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.So celebrating the Sabbath on Sunday rather than Saturday is as grave a sin as murder? Is that what you believe?
Hi Danthemailman! It strikes me as kind of strange how obedience to the ten commandments is kind of presented as more important than obedience to other laws. Yet the James passage I was just talking about earlier says that if you break one you are guilty of breaking them all.Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.
Mark of the Beast
Strict Literalist interpretation run off the rails. Sad distraction.What we think does not matter- God commanded us to keep His Sabbath holy on the seventh day Exodus 20:8-11 in the exact same way He commanded us to not murder, or steal. Jesus said to keep the least of these commandments quoting directly from the Ten. Matthew 5:19-30. God told Adam and Eve they could eat from any tree except one- its just a tree right, so what difference does a day make? You can wait and find out if God really cares about the day, or trust we should do what He commands us to do.
Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.
Mark of the Beast
James was quoting from the Ten Commandments verbatim, so you might need another argument.Hi Danthemailman! It strikes me as kind of strange how obedience to the ten commandments is kind of presented as more important than obedience to other laws. Yet the James passage I was just talking about earlier says that if you break one you are guilty of breaking them all.
James quotes some of the 10, but he also quotes "Love your neighbor as yourself", which isn't one of the 10.James was quoting from the Ten Commandments verbatim, so you might need another argument.
God gives His Spirit to those who obey Him Acts 5:32 a good place to start is the commandments of God written by God's own finger. We cannot understand the scriptures without the Holy Spirit who promises to teach us all things, so when we come to God with an open heart willing to place aside our own wishes and wants and be willing to do what God has commanded us (obey) His Spirit will teach us the scriptures. Many people want the fruits but are not willing to replace their will with God's will.
Psalm 40:9 I delight to do Your will, O my God,
And Your law is within my heart.”
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all. Ecclesiastes 12:13
Here's the scripture:James quotes some of the 10, but he also quotes "Love your neighbor as yourself", which isn't one of the 10.
While it is true that if you love your neighbor as yourself you will keep those commandments that hang on loving your neighbor, it is also true that you can keep the ten commandments exactly as written and not love your neighbor. That's one of the lessons of the parable of the Good Samaritan imo.
So James is talking about keeping the entire law.
An interesting law I was just reading yesterday from Deuteronomy 14: At the end of every three years you shall bring all the tithe of your increase in the same year, and shall store it within your gates.
If a person believes that all tithing laws must be followed in order to be obedient, I'd be interested in hearing how they keep that law.
Absolutely. The commandments are fulfilled when we love God and love man by keeping the commandments of God.In the parable of the good samaritan, the priest and the levite are very likely keeping the ten commandments exactly as written. They probably weren't committing adultery or murdering anyone, and they certainly weren't coveting anything the beat-up man had. Yet they didn't love their neighbor as themselves.
So the commandment to love your neighbor is not the same as the ten commandments.
Yes!Here's the scripture:
James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
Is there any evidence in the parable of the Good Samaritan that the priest and the levite were violating any of the ten commandments? I don't think so. But we do see that they were violating the love your neighbor commandment.Absolutely. The commandments are fulfilled when we love God and love man by keeping the commandments of God.
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. 1 John 5:3
We should probably not read our own interpretations into scriptures "probably were keeping the commandments" or "probably not keeping the commandments" only God can judge what is in our hearts and the motivation to obey Him. We should always obey Him because of love.
You can't obey the commandments of God if you do not have love for your neighbor or love for God. 1 John 5:3 I think someone might not understand the Spirit of the commandments of God, which is greater than just the letter.Is there any evidence in the parable of the Good Samaritan that the priest and the levite were violating any of the ten commandments? I don't think so. But we do see that they were violating the love your neighbor commandment.
You can't love your neighbor if one is violating the commandments of God. Breaking one of the commandments is like breaking them all as James goes on to quote directly from the Ten.Yes!
And starting at verse 8
However, if you fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well. 9 But if you show partiality, you commit sin, being convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law, and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
Right! Could the priest and the levite have been obeying the letter of the commandment not to commit adultery while at the same time still not loving their neighbor?You can't obey the commandments of God if you do not have love for your neighbor or love for God. 1 John 5:3 I think someone might not understand the Spirit of the commandments of God, which is greater than just the letter.
No not the same but are fulfilled by love when keeping the commandments of God. Romans 13:9-10. For this is the love of God that we keep His commandments 1 John 5:3. Breaking the commandments does not show love to God or our neighbor.Right! Could the priest and the levite have been obeying the letter of the commandment not to commit adultery while at the same time still not loving their neighbor?
I say Yes, so I don't think the love of your neighbor commandments is the same as the 10.
I see James quoting verbatim three commandments in chapter 2. Two of them are from the ten commandments, one is not.
Exactly! Not the same as one of the 10.No not the same but are fulfilled by love when keeping the commandments of God. Romans 13:9-10. For this is the love of God that we keep His commandments 1 John 5:3. Breaking the commandments does not show love to God or our neighbor.
We have to follow the scriptures and God's law includes the Ten Commandments in both letter and Spirit. Jesus magnified the commandments of God which means to make greater not lesser and showed us an example of this directly from the Ten Commandments. Matthew 5:19-30 the Ten Commandments are much greater than the letter that's why they are God's perfect law Psalms 19:7. Almost every law has an umbrella under the Ten. If one is keeping the Spirit of God's law, the letter will automatically be kept. If you find yourself breaking the letter, its a good test you are not following by the Spirit. The Spirit will never lead you to break any of God's commandments. Acts 5:32, John 14:15-18 Isaiah 8:20Exactly! Not the same as one of the 10.
So when we are talking about James quoting verbatim in chapter 2, he quotes the letters of two commandments from the ten commandments, and one commandment from the rest of the law.
This supports the idea that James is referring to the entire law.
So if the idea is that a person who keeps the ten commandments is considered obedient enough by God to receive the Holy Spirit, then I disagree. If you're not keeping the entire law, you're not keeping the 10 as well.
I can consider the idea that we only have to keep the parts of the law still in effect today, but I have to see a reasonable way to divide up the law that way.
Which brings us back to the thread topic.
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