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Did Abraham observe the Sabbath day?

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He means what he wrote, he said they were ordinances Col 2:14 KJV not commandments we just have to believe him, which is why weekly gospel preaching on the Sabbath day was kept decades after the cross by the apostles instead of the Sabbath commandment being deleted. There is the weekly Sabbath that is a commandment part of a unit of Ten separated by God from all other statues, ordinances and other laws and we have sabbath(s) ordinances which is what’s being referred here. The weekly Sabbath continues after the cross and for eternity so it doesn’t fit the context being interpreted of Col 2:13-17 KJV plus Paul does not have authority of delete one of the commandments that was personally written and blessed by God, nor would he want to cause he also taught what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 and he is not contradicting himself or the teachings of Jesus.

The Ten Commandments are not ordinances according to scripture…I do not consider scripture to be playing word games.


Neh 9:13 “You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.

God identifies the Ten Commandments as “My commandments” right in the unit of Ten and He added no more.

Exodus 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Jesus repeats this almost verbatim


John 14:15
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.


It is how we love God.

1 John 5:3 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
I just can’t imagine writing a letter to someone and telling them not to worry about observing the sabbath days and not making it crystal clear that they should still observe the Saturday Sabbath. Colossians is a letter written to the church in Colossae so one would expect that he would write it in a more clear and concise manner since they’re not talking face to face so as to avoid any confusion. Furthermore Romans 14 gives a similar message about not judging others who honor a certain day for The Lord.

As for the apostles preaching in the synagogues on the sabbath that doesn’t mean they were teaching people that they must observe the sabbath. What better time & place to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ than in a synagogue full of believers of the prophecies of the Messiah? So yeah it would make perfect sense to preach the fulfillment of the prophecies and the coming of the Messiah whom these people already believed was to come. So that is not very strong evidence that they were teaching that we must keep observing the Sabbath.
 
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I just can’t imagine writing a letter to someone and telling them not to worry about observing the sabbath days and not making it crystal clear that they should still observe the Saturday Sabbath. Colossians is a letter written to the church in Colossae so one would expect that he would write it in a more clear and concise manner since they’re not talking face to face so as to avoid any confusion. Furthermore Romans 14 gives a similar message about not judging others who honor a certain day for The Lord.
It is crystal clear. The weekly Sabbath commandment is not ordinances, the annual sabbath(s) are. The Sabbath commandment is holy and blessed, not the definition of contrary or against. The Sabbath commandment is written by the finger of God, the sabbath(s) are handwritten by Moses. It’s obvious it’s not referring to one of the Ten Commandments and the readers would know that because they know the Ten Commandments are on a different foundation than all other laws. If one of the commandments of God that the Pharisees were spying on Jesus to see if He would break was going to end in scripture, there would not be silence, there would be an uproar.
As for the apostles preaching in the synagogues on the sabbath that doesn’t mean they were teaching people that they must observe the sabbath. What better time & place to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ than in a synagogue full of believers of the prophecies of the Messiah? So yeah it would make perfect sense to preach the fulfillment of the prophecies and the coming of the Messiah whom these people already believed was to come. So that is not very strong evidence that they were teaching that we must keep observing the Sabbath.
The apostles kept every Sabbath in a holy manner and the gentiles asked for more gospel preaching the next Sabbath instead of day one. Not something shown in scripture as an example of the Sabbath ending at the cross or in ending in heaven Isaiah 66:23. We have free will to believe what we want through so I wish you the best.
 
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It is crystal clear. The weekly Sabbath commandment is not ordinances, the annual sabbath(s) are.
Again you keep ignoring the definition of the word dogma. A commandment is a decree which is the definition of the word dogma that is translated as ordinances in the KJV. Biblehub even uses the word ordinances in the definition of the Greek word that is translated to commandments. A commandment is an ordinance.
 
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Again you keep ignoring the definition of the word dogma. A commandment is a decree which is the definition of the word dogma that is translated as ordinances in the KJV. Biblehub even uses the word ordinances in the definition of the Greek word that is translated to commandments. A commandment is an ordinance.
This is taken from an older thread that has detailed information breaking this down...https://www.christianforums.com/threads/colossians-2-14-17-are-you-being-told-the-truth-updated.8158141/

It's a detailed study because there is a lot here. The readers of Hebrews would understand what it means because this grouping of ceremonial offerings related to the sanctuary is not new, its repeated from the OT. In the NKJV the annual sabbath(s) are always lower-case s, the weekly Sabbath commandment is always capital S. Not everyone is interested in the Truth behind the Sabbath commandment, but those who are interested in the Truth to God's Word I would recommend prayerfully reading and studying because we are talking about one of God's Ten Commandments, Jesus said to not break the least of the commandments Matthew 5:19 I think the commandment God said to Remember that He blessed and made holy should not be considered a least commandment, but Jesus wants us not to break the least of the commandments or teach others to break. Sin is defined as breaking the commandments Romans 7:7 so its impossible that the seventh day Sabbath which is part of this unit of Ten God placed together to be shadow of anything.

14, Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

GREEK WORD MEANINGS AND WORD USE

14
, “BLOTTING OUT” < G1813 ἐξαλείφω exaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v. means to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase> the “HANDWRITING” < G5498 χειρόγραφον cheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon) n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”), a manuscript specially, a legal document > of “ORDINANCES” < G1378 δόγμα dogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means ordinance; CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLESIASTICAL LAWS> that was against us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The GREEK WORD meanings here in this scripture show that it follows the same CONTEXT of v11-13 in relation to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7.

V14 Blotting out or erasing the legal MANUSCRIPT or document of ORDINANCES referred to here are those of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

The GREEK word for ORDIANACE is DOGMA meaning THE CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES once again only found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant *EXODUS 24:7

This scripture cannot be referring to the abolishing of the 10 commandments of God’s LAW as God’s 10 Commandments are not ORDINANCES and they are not written in a MANUSCRIPT they are written on two tables of stone (Exodus 31:18). Also the chapter CONTEXT is in reference to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION once again from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT. These were all SHADOWS ALONG WITH THE ORDINANCES OF v17 pointing to Christ and the plan of SALVATION.

ORDINANCES that were against us is referring to the also referring to the PENALTY of SIN (breaking God’s Commandments which is death) and the ORDINANCES of curses written once again in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant.

ECCLESIASTES 18:20 20, The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.

ROMANS 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] Take this Book of the Law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

DEUTERONOMY 30:19 [19] For GOD has said, I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, BLESSINGS AND CURSES: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: [20] That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest OBEY his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD swore unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

The death penalty is against us. So were all the ceremonial laws from the OLD COVENANT that were required to seek God's forgiveness *LEVITICUS 16. In the NEW COVENANT we are forgiven by FAITH through confession and repentance for our sins *1 JOHN 1:9; MATTHEW 3:2 . No more animal sacrifices required.

(See the list of ORDINACES for curses of breaking Gods’ Law in DEUTERONOMY 28:15-68)
 
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LINKING THE NEW TO THE OLD – COLOSSIANS 2:14 “ORDINANCES” CONTINUED

COLOSSIANS 2:14 [14], Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross

HEBREWS 9:1;9-10; 12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings

HEBREWS 10:4-10 [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

EPHESIANS 2:15-16 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

HEBREWS 13:9-12 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

HEBREWS 10:1-4 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings).

NUMBERS 19:2 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

JOHN 6:55 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

NUMBERS 18:8 [8] And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, BY AN ORDINANCE for ever.[9] This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire: EVERY OBLATION of theirs, EVERY MEAT OFFERING of theirs, and EVERY SIN OFFERING of theirs, and every trespass offering of theirs, which they shall render unto me, shall be most holy for thee and for thy sons.The new covenant is all about the blood of Christ and God's LAW written on the heart in those who BELIEVE the WORD of GOD. Not changing the law....but fulfilling the law

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YEA, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

ZECHARIAH 9:9-11 [9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE: HE IS JUST, AND HAVING SALVATION; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***.[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.[11] As for thee also, BY THE BLOOD OF THY COVENANT I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water

Verse 9 definitely prophecies of the coming Jesus. Verse 11, Jesus is called the blood of thy covenant

HEBREWS 12:23-24 [23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, [24] And to Jesus THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, AND TO THE BLOOD of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

New covenant... blood

LUKE 22 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

Where is all this leading? The NEW COVENANT of course...

JEREMIAH 31:31-34, [31] Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:[32], NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ; MY COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:[33], But THIS SHALL BE MY COVENANT THAT I SHALL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISREAL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND I WILL WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE; [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

2 CORINTHIANS 3:2-3 [2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. (see all of 2 COR 3)

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CONCLUSION; Jesus did not come to change or destroy GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments). It is through GOD's LAW that we have a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN is. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the BOOK OF THE LAW OF ORDINANCES and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE. COLOSSIANS 2 is not talking about God’s 10 COMMANDMENTS. NO MORE ORDINANCES WRITTEN IN THE MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT Ceremonial/Levitical/Sacrificial laws and animal sacrifices and FORGIVENESS OF SIN and DELIVERANCE from the PENALTY of SIN through FAITH in CHRIST and the BLOOD of the NEW COVENANT.
 
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THE GREEK WORD MEANINGS OF THE WITHIN SCRIPTURE CONTEXT LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT BACK TO THE OLD TESTAMENT?

We have seen from the previous sections; looking at the “CHAPTER CONTEXT” in COLOSSIANS 2:11-14 that the “SUBJECT MATTER” and the “TOPIC OF CONVERSATION” prior to COLOSSIANS 2:16 are the “SHADOW LAWS” from the “MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT IN “ORDINANCES” (e.g. CIRCUMCISION) that point to JESUS and God’s plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

What is being discussed here is NOT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS for which God’s 4th Commandment SABBATH is a part of. So the next question is;

“WHAT IS THE GREEK WORD MEANING AND APPLICATION USED HERE FOR SABBATH and the WITHIN SCRIPTURE CONTEXT AND APPLICAION?”

So in this section I would like to discuss the meaning of the GREEK word for “SABBATH” (SABBATON) which is different to the HEBREW Word meaning which provides a different meaning depending on it’s application and can mean;

1. “the SABBATH (God’s 4th commandment)” or
2. “ANY DAY OF REST OR REPOSE FROM SECULAR WORK” or
3. “A SEVEN DAY WEEK”
4. Singular or plural application (depending on context)

Depending on the words applcaion within the scriptures, all the word definitions listed above can be applied in singular form or in plural application.

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G4521
σάββατον sabbaton Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

This means ALL the ANNUAL FEAST days that were not the SEVENTH DAY but where no work was to be done are also translated as SABBATON in the Greek.

Let’s apply this now to COLOSSIANS 2:16 asking the question which definition should be applied here; what is the meaning that COLOSSIANS 2:16 is applying?

OK lets now look at the "within scripture context" of COLOSSIANS 2:16 linking the ORIGIN of the OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT scriptures that PAUL is referring to.

COLOSSIANS 2:16 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY [FEASTIVALS], or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAY <plural>:

PAUL'S within scriptures CONTEXT and use of COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 is in reference to the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures also liked here…..

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

NUMBERS 28 [9] And on the Sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a MEAT OFFERING, mingled with oil, and the DRINK OFFERING thereof: [10] This is the burnt offering of EVERY SABBATH, beside the continual BURN'T OFFERING, and his DRINK OFFERING.

ISAIAH 1:10-14 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, THE CALLING OF ASSEMBLIES (annual festivals), I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your NEW MOONS and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

LEVITICUS 23:4 [4] These are THE FEASTS OF THE LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread…… [13] And the MEAT OFFERING thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the DRINK OFFERING thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, HER [ISRAEL'S] FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS, and all HER [ISRAELS] SOLEMN FEASTS.

wait for it back to the NEW...

HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO, ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

HEBREWS 10:1-9
[1], FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, AND NOT THE VERY IMAGE OF THE THINGS, CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3], But in those SACRIFICES there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
[4], For it is not possible that THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS should take away sins.
[5], Why when he comes into the world, he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU WOULD NOT BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
[6], IN BURN'T OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAVE HAD NO PLEASURE.
[7], Then said I, See, I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.
[8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU WOULD NOT, neither had pleasure therein; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;
[9], Then said he, See, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

NOTE; the LAW in reference here is NOT God's 10 Commandments but the law of sin offereings from the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 from the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 (Please look at the attached scriptures)

CONCLUSION: COL 2:16 is not in reference to God's 10 Commandments. They are in reference to the ceremonial laws in ORDINANCES connected to feast days and the annual sabbaths that are directly connected to feasts that can fall on any day of the week and not God's "SEVENTH DAY" weekly Sabbath that is outside of the JEWISH annual festivals that is a part of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20

The GREEK word meaing and application of SABBATHS; SABBATH DAYS from COLOSSIANS 2:16 as shown in the CHAPTER CONTEXT and WITHIN SCRIPTURE CONTEXT is to the application of the GREEK word meaning to “ANY DAY OF REST OR REPOSE FROM SECULAR WORK” which is a reference to the HOLY CONVOCATIONS (calling out to
 
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5. SABBATON (SABBATH DAYS) IN COLOSSIANS 2:16 WHAT IS IT POINTING TO?

WHAT IS PAUL TALKING ABOUT IN COL 2:16-17? (linking the OLD to the NEW)

COLOSSIANS 2:16-17, Let no man therefore judge you in (1) MEAT, OR IN DRINK, or in respect of an (2) FEASTIVAL, or of the (3) NEW MOON, or of the (4) SABBATH DAY{S} PLURAL: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What is Paul referring to from the OLD TESTAMENT?

EZEKIEL 45:17-21, It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the burnt offerings, (1) MEAT OFFERING AND DRINK OFFERINGS, at the (2) FEASTS, the (3) NEW MOONS, and the (4) SABBATH{S}, AT ALL THE APPOINTED (2) FEASTS OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL

PAUL is referring to the Old Testament annual sabbaths in the feast days. This is the context and subject matter of Colossians 2:16 showing direct reference to EZEKIEL 45:17!

The CONTEXT of LEVITICUS 23 here are the appointed times of the ANNUAL FESTIVALS. These ANNUAL FESTIVALS are once a year events and includes days of HOLY CONVOCATION. A HOLY CONVOCATION in Hebrew means;

HOLY קדשׁ ; qôdesh From H6942; a sacred place or thing; rarely abstractly sanctity: - consecrated (thing), dedicated (thing), hallowed (thing), holiness, (X most) holy (X day, portion, thing), saint, sanctuary.

CONVOCATION מקרא; miqrâ'; From H7121; something called out, that is, a public meeting (the act, the persons, or the palce); also a rehearsal: - assembly, calling, convocation, reading.

So CONTEXT of LEVITICUS 23 is lising all the days of HOLY CONVOCATION for the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS. That are SACRED PUBLIC MEETINGS for the YEARLY FEAST DAYS.

God's 4th Commandments is a part of the ANNUAL FEAST days because many FEASTS were longer then 7 days or the FEASTS could start on any day depending on the YEARLY CYCLE.

This is different to the "special annual sabbath" that are connected directly to the feast days that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle. So we are not discussing the same thing here.

God's 4th Commandment which is one of God's 10 commandment that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. God's 4th commandment is not one of the "special" annual sabbaths strictly linked to the feastivals like those listed in LEVITICUS 23

These "special" sabbaths linked directly to certain festivals can fall on any day of the week and are only used in the annual Jewish festivals of

1. Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or
2. Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or
3. Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39)

Unlike God's 4th commandment SABBATH which is striclty every SEVENTH DAY of the week required outside of the feasts days and are a part of God's 10 Commandments.

SO dig deeper my brothers and sisters.

Receive God's WORD and be blessed.
 
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I watched the video.

All I'm seeing in practice is posters saying they don't bet.

I still like your question about God commanding Abraham. My answer: nowhere that I have found.

Have you started a thread on AI?
  • What are your ultimate thoughts about it in whatever respect you care to share?
  • Given the fact that there are arguments against Bayesian and having observed human theories being debated for some time, isn't AI ultimately only as good as its makers - does it not have [a] foundational pre-supposition(s)?
  • Given your work in the Bible and your knowledge of AI, assuming its true, what is your response to the remarks about the WEF or some calling for an AI generated new Bible?
So many questions. So little time...
 
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5. SABBATON (SABBATH DAYS) IN COLOSSIANS 2:16 WHAT IS IT POINTING TO?

WHAT IS PAUL TALKING ABOUT IN COL 2:16-17? (linking the OLD to the NEW)

COLOSSIANS 2:16-17, Let no man therefore judge you in (1) MEAT, OR IN DRINK, or in respect of an (2) FEASTIVAL, or of the (3) NEW MOON, or of the (4) SABBATH DAY{S} PLURAL: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What is Paul referring to from the OLD TESTAMENT?
Paul was referring to ritual Sabbaths of any kind.
And the list in which he enumnerates things is only representative and not exhaustive.
This is the general principle of the whole letter of Colossians.
Attempts to parse out and argue "context" to exempt someone's favorite ordinance are not persuasive to me.

No Christian should accept judgment that he is somehow "second class" or not up to par because of someone
demanding that "real" Christians keep ordinances of the law of Moses or even other philosphical or religious ordinances.

Ie. "Now genuine Christians keep the Saturday Sabbath like the 4th commandment commands. "

Christ as a living Person indwelling them is a great prize. And the apostles wants no one to purposely defaud believers [as]
being unworthy of the enjoyment of this prize by legalistic judgments upon them.

"Let no one therefore judge you . . . " (v. 16a) followed by some representative examples.

"Let no one defraud you by judging you unworthy of your prize, . . . "(v.18a) followed by some representative examples.

What do all the limited list of examples have in common?
They distract Christians from holding firmly to Christ the Head, the living Person out from whom is all the rich supply growth of spiritual life
through His flowing through other members of His mystical Body. That is why none must be destracted holding rather to ordinances of the law.

And not holding the Head, out from whom all the Body, being richly supplied and knit together by means of the joints and sinews, grows with the growth of God. (v.19)

 
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Hi Oikonomia

Nice to meet you.

Paul was referring to ritual Sabbaths of any kind.
I will have to disagree with you for a few reasons. Paul is not contradicting himself or God. Nor does Paul have the authority to countermand one of God’s commandments spoken and written personally by God. No man is above God’s works Exo 32:16 Once God blesses something like God did with the weekly Sabbath Genesis 2:3 no man has authority to reverse Num 23:20 , so you would need a thus saith the Lord to do away with one of God’s commandments that He blessed, and there is no such verse. Paul says what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 and kept every Sabbath long after the cross Acts 18:3, Acts 13:42-44 and Jesus tells us the Sabbath will be kept for eternity Isaiah 66:22-23 so it does not fit with this interpretation of Col 2:16
And the list in which he enumnerates things is only representative and not exhaustive.
This is the general principle of the whole letter of Colossians.
Attempts to parse out and argue "context" to exempt someone's favorite ordinance are not persuasive to me.
The context doesn’t fit and context dictates scripture, not our own interpretations.

The context is given in the earlier verse, that most people don’t quote….

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

There are more than one Sabbath in the scripture and if you look at the context in v14 it tells us which sabbath(s) it is referring to. Ordinances- which are the annual feast days and sabbath(s) that have to do with food and drink offerings and all point to Jesus who because our Sacrificial Lamb (ordinance Passover). Exo 12:43 1 Cor 5:7 so instead of sacrificing animals for the forgiveness of sin, Jesus took the penalty for our sins and we can go directly to Him when we fall and repent, which means to change our path. What did not end is what defines sin, which is breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4 and Paul points to the unit of Ten to define sin Romans 7:7. The weekly Sabbath is holy and blessed by God, not the definition of contrary or against and handwritten is not finger written by God. The context does not fit, yet sadly, people do not care. Plus do we see the weekly Sabbath ending in scripture at the Cross? No, we do not. If Jesus was going to do away with one of the commandments that He gave and kept and said was made for us Mark 2:27, He would have told someone, not silence. God’s people kept the Sabbath after the cross according to the commandment Luke 23:56, the apostles kept every Sabbath just as Jesus told them to observe everything He commanded, Jesus expected His people to be keeping the Sabbath decades after the Cross Matthew 24:20 and we see the Sabbath being kept for all eternity Isa 66:22-23. If one of the commandments of God was going to end in scripture, it would be just as clear as God wrote and Spoke. We are to live by every Word of God Mat 4:4

No Christian should accept judgment that he is somehow "second class" or not up to par because of someone
demanding that "real" Christians keep ordinances of the law of Moses or even other philosphical or religious ordinances.

Ie. "Now genuine Christians keep the Saturday Sabbath like the 4th commandment commands. "
No one should be judging each other, we only have one righteous Judge and that is Jesus who we all have to stand before at Judgement Day. That said, Jesus commissions us to teach each other the commandments Mat 5:19 and sadly the majority has been deceived into thinking that we do not need to keep one of God’s commandments, when there is no scripture in all of God’s Word that says this. We are warned the Sabbath would be changed, not by God Dan 7:25 and we see clear history of this prophecy playing out. Jesus warns us about following man’s traditions over the commandments of God quoting right from the unit of Ten Mat 15:3-9. We all have a choice to make, we can follow man or we can follow God. God said Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy Exodus 20:8-11- it is My holy day Isa 58:13 Jesus said was made for man Mark 2:27 which man is made in the image of God to follow. Him. Man tells us to forget the Sabbath. My faith is in God and in His every Word, but we are all given free will.
 
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18 pages of thread. Was this ever answered apart from speculation?
Gen 26:5 5 because Abraham obeyed Me and fulfilled his duty to Me, and kept My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
Where Gen 2:2-3 is an event at creation week that predates Gen 26:5.

So just as in Gen 4 Cain is told to resist sin - but Genesis does not have the commandment "do not murder" in it before Gen 4
And just as Gen 6 and 7 mention clean-vs-unclean animals - but the book of Genesis does not tell you what that is (Lev 11 does)

The reader simply affirms that the text includes those details which tells Moses' readers what to expect.
 
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Right. That's because they are not using my approach :)
Agreed they don't use your gambling method.

Gen 7 - -another group "of 8" that did not use your gambling method. World lost, 8 saved. The "odds" were against the 8... yet they were saved anyway.
 
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Gen 26:5 5 because Abraham obeyed Me and fulfilled his duty to Me, and kept My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
Where Gen 2:2-3 is an event at creation week that predates Gen 26:5.

So just as in Gen 4 Cain is told to resist sin - but Genesis does not have the commandment "do not murder" in it before Gen 4
And just as Gen 6 and 7 mention clean-vs-unclean animals - but the book of Genesis does not tell you what that is (Lev 11 does)

The reader simply affirms that the text includes those details which tells Moses' readers what to expect.
Theory. No clear command.
 
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