Did Abraham observe the Sabbath day?

[SabbathBlessings]

Quote where Jesus corrected them. He doesn’t say this was not what was commanded. The case He made against them was that both David and the priests broke God’s commandments because they were hungry and the Pharisees didn’t condemn their actions. The Pharisees held both David and the Levitican priests in high regard and didn’t refer to them as unrighteous or ungodly because of this transgression. Yet they condemned the actions of Jesus’ disciples as an offense against Jesus Himself, because they were His followers and their actions reflect on Him personally. Jesus didn’t say that David and the priest’s actions were lawful, He said they were unlawful.

““You shall work six days, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during plowing time and harvest you shall rest.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭34‬:‭21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Harvesting was considered work according to God’s commandment.

Scriptures shows us plucking the tops of the grain and eating like what the disciples were doing is not harvesting.

Deut 23:25 When you come into your neighbor’s standing grain, you may pluck the heads with your hand, but you shall not use a sickle on your neighbor’s standing grain.

Where were the apostles using a sickle on the Sabbath? Helping your neighbor or someone when hungry is lawful (God’s lawful) on the Sabbath, just not the Pharisees lawful. We should serve God and His laws, not man-made laws which is what Jesus teaches obeying God’s commandments Matthew 15:3-9 and came to do His will. John 6:38

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus said He kept His Fathers commandments, which includes the Sabbath commandment John 15:10 Luke 4:16 and never sinned.....so you trust the words of the Pharisees who accused Jesus and His disciples of sinning, when they were not, eating is allowed on the Sabbath.

As I already pointed out Jesus was not picking the grain, His disciples were. So I’m not saying that Jesus broke any of the commitments. I already told you that earlier so I don’t know why you’re making this strawman argument.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Deut 23:25 When you come into your neighbor’s standing grain, you may pluck the heads with your hand, but you shall not use a sickle on your neighbor’s standing grain.

That doesn’t have anything to do with the definition of harvesting.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That doesn’t have anything to do with the definition of harvesting.

Joel 3:13 13 Swing the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, trample the grapes, for the winepress is full and the vats overflow— so great is their wickedness!”

Why sickle is used for harvesting?

Harvesting with a sickle is very slow, but because of its simplicity and low cost, it is still widely used over the world, especially to reap cereals such as wheat and rice and also as a gardening tool.

Sickle | Harvesting, Agriculture, Reaping

Sickle, one of the most ancient of harvesting tools, consisting of a metal blade, usually curved, attached to a short wooden handle. The short handle forces the user to harvest in a stooped or squatting position. The longer-handled scythe, the user of which remains upright, evolved from the

www.britannica.com

 

[SabbathBlessings]

As I already pointed out Jesus was not picking the grain, His disciples were. So I’m not saying that Jesus broke any of the commitments. I already told you that earlier so I don’t know why you’re making this strawman argument

It’s still calling Jesus a hypocrite condemning others but not His disciples its the same law of the Pharisees who falsely condemned Jesus.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It would be hypocritical for the disciples to tell us to keep the commandments of God, but not keep them themselves and for Jesus to condemn people for not keeping the commandments of God but yet bend the rules for His disciples.

Newsflash every apostle and every preacher is a hypocrite. That is unless you happen to know of any who don’t sin. And Jesus doesn’t condemn anyone for not keeping the commandments because no one keeps them. He condemns people for refusing to repent. The only thing that separates someone who is saved from someone who is not saved is repentance, not obedience. There’s not a single person who repents that is condemned for disobedience. There’s also not a single person who is saved who is not disobedient.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Newsflash every apostle and every preacher is a hypocrite. That is unless you happen to know of any who don’t sin. And Jesus doesn’t condemn anyone for not keeping the commandments because no one keeps them. He condemns people for refusing to repent. The only thing that separates someone who is saved from someone who is not saved is repentance, not obedience. There’s not a single person who repents that is condemned for disobedience. There’s also not a single person who is saved who is not disobedient.

If we have no higher standard to follow, why bother. This is not the teachings of God’s Word, Jesus is not letting His disciples sin a little or bend the commandments to suit them.

You seem to be contradicting the teachings of Jesus. Jesus condemns false worship and defines that as keeping man-made rules above the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments Exodus 20 which is what defines sin. Romans 7:7 Jesus never teaches us it is okay to sin a little bit.

Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

 

[BNR32FAN]

It’s still calling Jesus a hypocrite condemning others but not His disciples the same law of the Pharisees who falsely condemned Jesus.

I also already pointed out that the entire reason He said “the Son of Man is Lord over the Sabbath” is because He can change the Sabbath laws anytime He wants. He was in the process of ushering in the New Covenant. The New Covenant where we’re specifically told that no one can judge us for not keeping the Sabbath days.

“Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I also already pointed out that the entire reason He said “the Son of Man is Lord over the Sabbath” is because He can change the Sabbath laws anytime He wants. He was in the process of ushering in the New Covenant. The New Covenant where we’re specifically told that no one can judge us for not keeping the Sabbath days.

“Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Sad. Jesus said plainly He did not come to destroy the law and not to break the least of the commandments quoting from the Ten Matthew 5:17-30 and Col 2:14-17 KJV is not about the Sabbath commandment, but suit yourself.

In order for the Sabbath commandment to end you would need a thus saith the Lord. Once God blesses something like He did the Sabbath day, man cannot reverse. Num 23:20 There is no thus saith the Lord to not keep the Sabbath commandment in all of scripture. Every Word that proceeded out of the mouth of God said not to profane His holy Sabbath day which will be kept for eternity. Isaiah 66:22-23 which is why Jesus said the Sabbath would be kept decades after the cross for His followers Matthew 24:20 and the Sabbath being kept decades after the cross by His disciples, its not something that ended according to scripture.. The Ten Commandments are in God’s heavenly Temple Rev 11:19 unedited Deut 4:2 because these are the works of God Exodus 32:16 and man is not above God.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If we have no higher standard to follow, why bother. This is not the teachings of God’s Word, Jesus is not letting His disciples sin a little or bend the commandments to suit them.

Why did Jesus say that He is Lord over the Sabbath? What was the reason for saying that if they were keeping the Old Covenant Sabbath laws?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Why did Jesus say that He is Lord over the Sabbath? What was the reason for saying that if they were keeping the Old Covenant Sabbath laws?

Because He created the Sabbath and would know how to properly keep it. He made it for mankind to bless and sanctify us Isaiah 58:13 Eze 20:12 because we cannot sanctify ourselves, but yet people try to anyway.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If we have no higher standard to follow, why bother. This is not the teachings of God’s Word, Jesus is not letting His disciples sin a little or bend the commandments to suit them.

You seem to be contradicting the teachings of Jesus. Jesus condemns false worship and defines that as keeping man-made rules above the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments Exodus 20 which is what defines sin. Romans 7:7 Jesus never teaches us it is okay to sin a little bit.

Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

NAME ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO DOESN’T SIN.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

NAME ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO DOESN’T SIN.

We all have sinned, but does that mean Jesus wants us to be a slave to sin or through Him overcome sin? He doesn’t make obeying His commandments by ourselves, but we have to take the first steps.

Jesus said: John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Paul puts it this way…

Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Is our God bigger than our devil? Is our God stronger to help us overcome sin or is our devil stronger to keep us in sin? If we stumble and fall we have an Advocate with Jesus who is faithful and just to forgive us when we fall, but Jesus would not ask us to do something that is impossible to do. Through Christ all things are possible including gaining victory over sin, which is breaking the law of God. 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7

 

[BNR32FAN]

Sad. Jesus said plainly He did not come to destroy the law and not to break the least of the commandments quoting from the Ten and Col 2:14-17 KJV is not about the Sabbath commandment, but suit yourself.

In order for the Sabbath commandment to end you would need a thus saith the Lord. Once God blesses something like He did the Sabbath day, man cannot reverse. Num 23:20 There is no thus saith the Lord to not keep the Sabbath commandment in all of scripture. Every Word that proceeded out of the mouth of God said not to profane His holy Sabbath day which will be kept for eternity. Isaiah 66:22-23 which is why Jesus said the Sabbath would be kept decades after the cross for His followers Matthew 24:20 and the Sabbath being kept decades after the cross by His disciples, its not something that ended according to scripture.. The Ten Commandments are in God’s heavenly Temple Rev 11:19 unedited Deut 4:2 because these are the works of God Exodus 32:16 and man is not above God.

So we’re to keep the entire law then? The law commanded circumcision, the law commanded animal sacrifices, the law commanded the death penalty for not obeying the priests, the law commanded that the Passover be observed for all generations. Jesus changed none of these?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So we’re to keep the entire law then? The law commanded circumcision, the law commanded animal sacrifices, the law commanded the death penalty for not obeying the priests, the law commanded that the Passover be observed for all generations. Jesus changed none of these?

I am sure we have talked about this numerous times. There are changes in the New Covenant, but sin is still defined as breaking the law of God and Paul points to the Ten Commandments to define sin Romans 7:7 Jesus came to save us from sin, not in them Matthew 1:21. Jesus took the penalty of sin so we no longer need to sacrifice animals Hebrews 10:1-10 because Jesus is now our High Priest in the New Covenant and we can go directly to Him when He sin because He became our Passover Lamb. Paul makes it clear physical circumcision doesn’t matter, but what matters is keeping the commandments of God. 1 Cor 7:19

Need to run for now.

Take care and God bless

 

[BNR32FAN]

We all have sinned, but does that mean Jesus wants us to be a slave to sin or through Him overcome sin? He doesn’t make obeying His commandments by ourselves, but we have to take the first steps.

Ok so my point was that every single person who preaches the word of God is a hypocrite. I’m not advocating sin I’m stating a fact. The apostles taught everyone to believe during Christ’s ministry, then they scattered to the wind after His crucifixion and fell to disbelief And of course we all know that Peter even denied Christ 3 times. Thomas didn’t get the name “doubting Thomas” for nothing. If we preach the word of God we have to preach perfection, unfortunately none of us are capable of following in perfection. That’s not to say that we shouldn’t strive to do so but it’s inevitable that we will fail at times and thus become hypocrites, saying one thing and doing another.

 

[ralliann]

Pentecost wasn't each week, it is one of the annual festivals.

Thats not what the scripture says the disciples were doing, they were eating the grain because they were hungry Matt 12:1 not gathering, harvesting or making sin offerings. You’re reading into the scripture.

On the second sabbath after the first. Where in scripture is the regular Sabbath spoken of like this. Obviously it was harvest season.

 

[ralliann]

Why would I when you try and take the mile? You are wrong...enough said.

Yeah enough said. It always is.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ok so my point was that every single person who preaches the word of God is a hypocrite. I’m not advocating sin I’m stating a fact. The apostles taught everyone to believe during Christ’s ministry, then they scattered to the wind after His crucifixion and fell to disbelief And of course we all know that Peter even denied Christ 3 times. Thomas didn’t get the name “doubting Thomas” for nothing. If we preach the word of God we have to preach perfection, unfortunately none of us are capable of following in perfection. That’s not to say that we shouldn’t strive to do so but it’s inevitable that we will fail at times and thus become hypocrites, saying one thing and doing another.

I see what you’re saying, but I see it differently. Slipping and falling is different than knowingly saying one thing and doing something different, this is a hypocrite. Jesus did not lower the standards for His disciples, He said they were blameless Matthew 12:7 not so He could lower the standards and then condemn others for breaking the commandments, because it is not a sin to eat on the Sabbath, it was a law of the Pharisees, the same law that crucified Jesus for no reason.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

They were not harvesting wheat, please show where the disciples were harvesting wheat. They were picking the heads of grain and eating them while walking with Jesus because they were hungry Matthew 12:1 and please show where that is breaking the commandment of God to eat on the Sabbath? It would be hypocritical for the disciples to tell us to keep the commandments of God, but not keep them themselves and for Jesus to condemn people for not keeping the commandments of God but yet bend the rules for His disciples. Sorry this is what you are getting from these scriptures, it’s wrong it is recording the side of the Pharisees, not what was happening as Jesus explains. Jesus would know how to properly keep the Sabbath which is why He was contrasting priest who are doing God’s work with David eating on the Sabbath, neither are sins. The Sabbath is made to be a blessing for mankind Isaiah 58:13 Mark 2:27 and eating on the Sabbath when hungry is not breaking any of the commandments of God.

Pe'ah