Did Abraham know the name YHWH?

[tonychanyt]

See Did Abraham know the name YHWH?

 

[jonojim1337]

The Name was being called by Lamech if I recall correctly. However, I would argue, that for Abraham to take Isaac up the mountain to offer him as a sacrifice, requires him to not be fully aware of the Name. Did God keep him in the dark, to create a shadow?

 

[jonojim1337]

However, the three people who came to visit him, were literally God, and not angels, as some say. They ate the food.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Did Abraham know the name YHWH?

What benefit or detriment is there to the life of Abraham in knowing or not knowing?

 

[jonojim1337]

What benefit or detriment is there to the life of Abraham in knowing or not knowing?

According to Jesus, Abraham saw his day and was glad. Thus the Legacy was eventually revealed to him, if not the Name.

But I would argue, for Abraham to offer Isaac, requires a level of darkness. Like the old adage tells us, God uses wicked people for good ends.

 

[Always in His Presence]

According to Jesus, Abraham saw his day and was glad. Thus the Legacy was eventually revealed to him, if not the Name.

But I would argue, for Abraham to offer Isaac, requires a level of darkness. Like the old adage tells us, God uses wicked people for good ends.

The question was:

What benefit or detriment is there to the life of Abraham in knowing or not knowing?

 

[jonojim1337]

The question was:

What benefit or detriment is there to the life of Abraham in knowing or not knowing?

I just told you. In not knowing, God used his then view of God to create a shadow of Christ, of the Father sacrificing the Son. I think it's a safe bet that this darkness was lifted from him, as God does not require human sacrifice, and actually completely abhors it, with a complete eradication of the people who do so.

 

[tonychanyt]

What benefit or detriment is there to the life of Abraham in knowing or not knowing?

Nothing. So, did Abraham know the name YHWH?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Nothing. So, did Abraham know the name YHWH?

Not a clue and for me personally it would be a waste of my time trying to figure out something that has no benefit.

 

[tonychanyt]

Not a clue and for me personally it would be a waste of my time trying to figure out something that has no benefit.

I.e., no benefit to you. Are you saying that if something is of no benefit to you, you will not spend time on it?

 

[Always in His Presence]

I asked

What benefit or detriment is there to the life of Abraham in knowing or not knowing?

You replied

Nothing. So, did Abraham know the name YHWH?

I then stated.

Not a clue and for me personally it would be a waste of my time trying to figure out something that has no benefit.

Then you queried

I.e., no benefit to you. Are you saying that if something is of no benefit to you, you will not spend time on it?

If the exercise is of no benefit nor detriment. It is useless knowledge. Similar to wondering what size shoe Abraham wore.

 

[St_Worm2]

Hi Tony, Abram seemed to know the Lord's Name (after all, he built an altar and called upon His Name .. see v8 below), so I assume that he remembered it after his name was changed to Abraham. Here's a passage from the newest version of the NASB (the LSB) that translates the Lord's Name as per the Hebrew (instead of using "God" or "Lord") in the OT.

I'm also guess'n that Abram knew who he was talking to (by Name) prior to uprooting himself and his immediate family from their home to follow YHWH and settle in a new/unknown land.

Genesis 12 ​

1 Yahweh said to Abram, ​

“Go forth from your land, ​

And from your kin ​

And from your father’s house, ​

To the land which I will show you; ​

2 And I will make you a great nation, ​

And I will bless you, ​

And make your name great; ​

And so you shall be a blessing; ​

3 And I will bless those who bless you, ​

And the one who curses you I will curse. ​

And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.” ​

4 So Abram went forth as Yahweh had spoken to him; and Lot went with him. Now Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. ​

5 So Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his brother’s son, and all their possessions which they had accumulated, and the persons which they had acquired in Haran, and they departed to go forth to the land of Canaan; thus they came to the land of Canaan. ​

6 And Abram passed through the land as far as the site of Shechem, to the oak of Moreh. Now the Canaanite was then in the land. ​

7 Then Yahweh appeared to Abram and said, “To your seed I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to Yahweh who had appeared to him. ​

8 Then he proceeded from there to the mountain on the east of Bethel, and he pitched his tent with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east; and there he built an altar to Yahweh and ~called upon the name of Yahweh.~ ​

​

~Legacy Standard Bible (Ge 12:1–8). (2022). ​

God bless you!!

--David

Genesis 15 ​

6 Then he [Abram] believed in Yahweh; and He counted it to him as righteousness. ​

7 And He said to him, “~I am Yahweh~ who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to possess it.” ​

8 And he said, “~O Lord Yahweh~, how may I know that I will possess it?” ​

​

~Legacy Standard Bible (Ge 12:1–8). (2022).​

 

[tonychanyt]

Then you queried

If the exercise is of no benefit nor detriment. It is useless knowledge. Similar to wondering what size shoe Abraham wore.

That was not my query. My question is this: Are you saying that if something is of no benefit to you, you will not spend time on it?

This is the second time I have asked. Can you answer a query precisely? I prefer to interact with people who can think and write precisely.

 

[Always in His Presence]

That was not my query. My question is this: Are you saying that if something is of no benefit to you, you will not spend time on it?

This is the second time I have asked. Can you answer a query precisely? I prefer to interact with people who can think and write precisely.

Here is the answer to your query precisely as requested.

If something has no benefit, whether in the affirmative or pejorative then it is a complete waste of time.

I do hope that answers your query.

As an aside to your query.

Personally I focus on what deepens my relationship with Christ. Will what I am studying deepen my relationship or correct me.

As a Pastor, I focus on what help my congregation in their walk with Christ and what equips them to reach the lost.

As an adjunct Instructor in International BIble Schools, my focus is line upon line verse by verse Theology mixed with practical applications in daily life.

I was hoping to learn something from the OP, thinking perhaps there is some type of importance in the original question.

There is none and for me it then becomes a complete waste of time

 

[tonychanyt]

As an adjunct Instructor in International BIble Schools, my focus is line upon line verse by verse Theology mixed with practical applications in daily life.

Are you familiar with First-Order Logic and its formal precision?

Let proposition P1 = If something is of no benefit to you, you will not spend time on it.

Is P1 true? This is the 3rd and the last time I have asked.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Are you familiar with First-Order Logic and its formal precision?

Let proposition P1 = If something is of no benefit to you, you will not spend time on it.

Is P1 true? This is the 3rd and the last time I have asked.

I have answered your query precisely as requested. - have a great day.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Here is the answer to your query precisely as requested.

If something has no benefit, whether in the affirmative or pejorative then it is a complete waste of time.

I do hope that answers your query.

That literally means - If it has no benefit - I will not waste (spend) my time on it.

Not sure why you are having difficulty understanding that - pretty plainly stated.

I then went further to explain in precise plain language the reason why, if it is of no benefit I will not waste my time on it.

As an aside to your query.

Personally I focus on what deepens my relationship with Christ. Will what I am studying deepen my relationship or correct me.

That is the reason if it is of no benefit I will not waste my time on it. Personally

As a Pastor, I focus on what help my congregation in their walk with Christ and what equips them to reach the lost.

That is the reason why if it is of no benefit I will not waste my time on it. Pastorally

As an adjunct Instructor in International Bible Schools, my focus is line upon line verse by verse Theology mixed with practical applications in daily life.

That is the reason why if it is of no benefit I will not waste my time on it. Professionally

I then continued to explain why I bothered to engage:

I was hoping to learn something from the OP, thinking perhaps there is some type of importance in the original question.

And my final stand point on the issue because

There is none and for me it then becomes a complete waste of time

Perhaps bolding can help illustrate for you - if it is of no benefit I will not waste my time on it.

I do hope that clarified it for you - Good day. Because repeating the same answers is also a waste of time to me personally.

 

[jonojim1337]

As you may come across - the correct pronunciation of YHWH is Yahuah. This is supported by the fact that Yah-u-ah is the sound one makes when taking particlarly large breath to make an effort, or as in YHWH breathed his Spirit into man.

However, this does not mean that the individuals who heard his name knew the letters of his name, and even if they knew the letters it does not mean they knew the meaning of it.

The Bible is suggesting that Abraham only knew him as El Shaddai. He understood Yahuah as the Almighty. He might not have known the full revelation of his name.

Also worth noting is the character difference of Abraham and Moses. When God said to Moses, go and tell Pharoah, Moses replied, are you sure about that? I'm slow in speach, you should send someone better.

In the case of Abraham however, there appeared no second thought to offer up Isaac. Sure it was a sacrifice to God, but a little further study would tell you that such a sacrifice could never appease God. However, Abraham, unkowingly, did a mighty deed, in that he foreshadowed Christ.

Another worthy point of interest, just before God appeared to Moses in the bush, he slew a man, and he already had a conscience following him. In encountering God, and being chosen as a prophet, and knowing his character, he must have asked the question at some point, how he could have been chosen. A fuller revelation of God's Grace was needed.

We know that Moses received a fuller revelation of God. He saw the Hand, received the commandments, was glowing in his glory.

 

[jonojim1337]

Now I just remembered Lamech, who also slew a man, in the same manner as Moses. It does not say he was marked like Cain, but he received a manifold Grace. Lamech was also the one, but from a different seedline, who started calling on the Name after Adam.

Perhaps it is suggesting, that both of these individuals understood that they needed the Grace of Christ, the innocent who would die for the guilty, which is why he is present in the bush together with YHWH.

 

[tonychanyt]

As you may come across - the correct pronunciation of YHWH is Yahuah.

See How to pronounce YHWH and follow up there