Derail split from Aristotle thread in E&M- Wicca

[Meshavrischika]

Well, for one, I thought this was a pretty heavy reliance on opinion:



IOW, if you have the wrong opinion about Christ, one has rejected Christ?

Or did I misunderstand?

I've heard people say rejecting the N. Creed is rejection of Christ too... It's all doctrine.

 

[TexasSky]

Are you aware that Liz is Christian and you believe in the same god? You just said that Jehovah (or Yahweh, depending on your translation of choice) doesn't exist.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. The Christian god doesn't exist, and neither does heaven or hell. Seeing as Aristotle requested to be buried next to his wife, I'd say whatever is left of him is in Greece.

I am aware that Liz has been defending a thread a thread that supports the false teaching that Wiccans can be Christian and Christians can be Wiccans.

And no, we do not agree. The Christian God very much exists.

 

[Meshavrischika]

I am aware that Liz has been defending a thread a thread that supports the false teaching that Wiccans can be Christian and Christians can be Wiccans.

And no, we do not agree. The Christian God very much exists.

I don't think she was defending a thread or that Wiccans and Christians are the same. I think she was pushing those who blindly believe to examine their beliefs. That's all.

 

[TexasSky]

I do?

Liz, the post you point to as a quote from me, is not the post in which I stated that, but for the record, yes, I ~did~ tell a person who claims to be Wiccan, that they have a false faith.

I stand by that.

I did not post it to you.

 

[TexasSky]

Let's lay it on the line then.

Crazy Liz - Moriah - MrsSidhe,

Do you three, or do you not, endorse the view that Christians can be wiccans or not?

 

[Crazy Liz]

Let's lay it on the line then.

Crazy Liz - Moriah - MrsSidhe,

Do you three, or do you not, endorse the view that Christians can be wiccans or not?

For myself, I do not know enough about Wicca to answer the question. I have friends who seem to have that view, and I would like to understand them better.

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

TexasSky,

Do you like to just send things off topic? This is not even being discussed here. Discuss it in the right topic...

You can read my answer in the Christian Wicca thread.

Don't try to change this to your own angry agenda.

Just in case my post got messed up in time warp TexasSky here it is again...

 

[Meshavrischika]

Just in case my post got messed up in time warp TexasSky here it is again...

there's a Christian Wicca thread?

 

[Crazy Liz]

there's a Christian Wicca thread?

http://christianforums.com/t7062766-christian-wicca-or-wiccan-christianity.html

 

[Vene]

I've heard people say rejecting the N. Creed is rejection of Christ too... It's all doctrine.

We have a winner!

I am aware that Liz has been defending a thread a thread that supports the false teaching that Wiccans can be Christian and Christians can be Wiccans.

And no, we do not agree. The Christian God very much exists.

But you just said that her god doesn't exist. You two share the same god. Could it be possible that you responded too quickly without thinking it through?

 

[Meshavrischika]

We have a winner!


But you just said that her god doesn't exist. You two share the same god. Could it be possible that you responded too quickly without thinking it through?

She responded doctrinally. That is what she believes (that you must think A, B and C to equal D). I see where she is coming from on this. Her response makes sense in the context of her belief.

 

[Vene]

She responded doctrinally. That is what she believes (that you must think A, B and C to equal D). I see where she is coming from on this. Her response makes sense in the context of her belief.

I see where she's coming from. I care more about her saying that only her version of Christianity is possibly right. I care more about her misrepresenting Wicca (not in this thread) than I do about whether the two can merge. I also care about having people think things through rather than just following doctrine blindly.

And look at my icon, as far as I'm concerned both religions are false.

 

[Meshavrischika]

I see where she's coming from. I care more about her saying that only her version of Christianity is possibly right. I care more about her misrepresenting Wicca (not in this thread) than I do about whether the two can merge. I also care about having people think things through rather than just following doctrine blindly.

And look at my icon, as far as I'm concerned both religions are false.

as long as believing something is false doesn't cross the line into hurtful banter regarding those that do... I'm all for whatever you feel you need in life.

anyone who has not experienced or researched something in depth will not understand it. I dont' claim to understand Wicca, but then I'm not one who says "you're 100% wrong and all that judgemenetal jazz" either.

 

[TexasSky]

as long as believing something is false doesn't cross the line into hurtful banter regarding those that do... I'm all for whatever you feel you need in life.

anyone who has not experienced or researched something in depth will not understand it. I dont' claim to understand Wicca, but then I'm not one who says "you're 100% wrong and all that judgemenetal jazz" either.

Elsa,

The fact is, I've probably done more research into Wicca than most self-proclaiming Wiccans. I started out with the research as part of a college journalism class. The more I dug, the more amazed I was at how little many people who claim to be Wiccans actually know about what Gardner taught, or about what the so-called leaders of Wicca teach.

I know God's word clearly too.

"Thou shalt have no other God's before me," is the first commandment listed in the bible. Christ, when asked, what is the greatest commandment said, "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, all thy soul, and all they mind." He also stated, "No man comes unto the Father except by me." And He repeated, in His own ministry, "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me."

Any way you cut it, idol worship is condemned by God.
God freely admits, "I am a jealous God."

The condemnation of witchcraft is not only found in the old testament. It is found in the book of Galations in the new testament. The book of Acts shows that when witchcraft appeared, Paul responded to it by commanding a demon to leave a woman.

To say that one can be both Christian and Wiccan is blaspheme against Christ.

Christ cannot be "your all," if your "all" is the worship of a goddess over god the Father. Note, Wicca does not teach that there is "one God, and it is a female." It teaches both male and female, with male as the lesser.

It denies the authority of God the Father as King of Kings.
It denies the authority of Christ as Prince of Peace.

Matthew 6:24 says it clearly, ""No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other."

1 Kings 18:21 Elijah came near to all the people and said, "How long will you hesitate between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him." But the people did not answer him a word.

James 4:4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

 

[TexasSky]

as long as believing something is false doesn't cross the line into hurtful banter regarding those that do... I'm all for whatever you feel you need in life.

anyone who has not experienced or researched something in depth will not understand it. I dont' claim to understand Wicca, but then I'm not one who says "you're 100% wrong and all that judgemenetal jazz" either.

Elsa,

The fact is, I've probably done more research into Wicca than most self-proclaiming Wiccans. I started out with the research as part of a college journalism class. The more I dug, the more amazed I was at how little many people who claim to be Wiccans actually know about what Gardner taught, or about what the so-called leaders of Wicca teach.

I know God's word clearly too.

"Thou shalt have no other God's before me," is the first commandment listed in the bible. Christ, when asked, what is the greatest commandment said, "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, all thy soul, and all they mind." He also stated, "No man comes unto the Father except by me." And He repeated, in His own ministry, "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me."

Any way you cut it, idol worship is condemned by God.
God freely admits, "I am a jealous God."

The condemnation of witchcraft is not only found in the old testament. It is found in the book of Galations in the new testament. The book of Acts shows that when witchcraft appeared, Paul responded to it by commanding a demon to leave a woman.

To say that one can be both Christian and Wiccan is blaspheme against Christ.

Christ cannot be "your all," if your "all" is the worship of a goddess over god the Father. Note, Wicca does not teach that there is "one God, and it is a female." It teaches both male and female, with male as the lesser.

It denies the authority of God the Father as King of Kings.
It denies the authority of Christ as Prince of Peace.

Matthew 6:24 says it clearly, ""No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other."

1 Kings 18:21 Elijah came near to all the people and said, "How long will you hesitate between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him." But the people did not answer him a word.

James 4:4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

 

[sidhe]

Not directed towards anyone, of course, but generally people who know a lot about a subject, demonstrate an understanding of it, rather than half-truths and distortions.

Ick, I'm defending Gardner again...that makes me feel dirty. Thieving oddity.

*disappears like a ninja*

 

[sidhe]

Not directed towards anyone, of course, but generally people who know a lot about a subject, demonstrate an understanding of it, rather than half-truths and distortions.

Ick, I'm defending Gardner again...that makes me feel dirty. Thieving oddity.

*disappears like a ninja*

 

[TexasSky]

</DIV>http://texassky.christianforums.com/Matthew 4:10
Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' "


Matthew 6:24
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.

Luke 4:8
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.' "

John 12:26
Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 14:21
Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."

1 John 5:21
Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

Revelation 2:14
Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: You have people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality.

Revelation 2:20
Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols.


Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood&#8212;idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars&#8212;their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

Revelation 22:15
Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.





Exodus 23:13
"Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips."


1 Kings 18:21 Elijah came near to all the people and said, "How long will you hesitate between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him." But the people did not answer him a word.

Galatians 1:10 For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.

James 4:4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Matthew 22:34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment.

Exodus 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before me."

Deuteronomy 6:14 Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you;

Deuteronomy 8:19 If you ever forget the LORD your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed.

Joshua 23:16
If you violate the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and go and serve other gods and bow down to them, the LORD's anger will burn against you, and you will quickly perish from the good land he has given you."

2 Kings 22:17
Because they have forsaken me and burned incense to other gods and provoked me to anger by all the idols their hands have made, my anger will burn against this place and will not be quenched.'

 

[TexasSky]

Matthew 4:10
Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' "


Matthew 6:24
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.

Luke 4:8
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.' "

John 12:26
Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 14:21
Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."

1 John 5:21
Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

Revelation 2:14
Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: You have people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality.

Revelation 2:20
Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols.


Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood&#8212;idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars&#8212;their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

Revelation 22:15
Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.





Exodus 23:13
"Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips."


1 Kings 18:21 Elijah came near to all the people and said, "How long will you hesitate between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him." But the people did not answer him a word.

Galatians 1:10 For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.

James 4:4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Matthew 22:34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment.

Exodus 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before me."

Deuteronomy 6:14 Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you;

Deuteronomy 8:19 If you ever forget the LORD your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed.

Joshua 23:16
If you violate the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and go and serve other gods and bow down to them, the LORD's anger will burn against you, and you will quickly perish from the good land he has given you."

2 Kings 22:17
Because they have forsaken me and burned incense to other gods and provoked me to anger by all the idols their hands have made, my anger will burn against this place and will not be quenched.'

 

[Aoann]

Oh Praise God you are here to save us from the truth.