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By definition, grace does not abandon us to our own strength. God is always gracious, and just. They are among His defining characteristics. It would not be just or gracious to condemn someone for not accepting grace that was never offered. The god, (yes small "g") of calvinism is neither just or gracious. That god is unloving and cruel, punishing all manking, for the shortcomings and cruelties of the god doing the punishing. That does sound like a spirit, but not God's Spirit.
Who said grace was never offered ?

Who said God abandoned us to our strength ?


Your vitriol and disdain towards some type of Calvinism has made your posts incoherent.
 
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So you go to a church that either doesn't subscribe to your philosophy or is too ashamed of its own philosophy to acknowledge it. Okay. I used to attend one of those churches. I left when I realized I was starving spiritually. A little leaven works through the whole batch. A little argeement with calvin above the Bible will work its way through one's entire philosophy, and sooner or later one will have a hard time believing God in anything. But that is the choice you are free to make according to the Bible, or you can blame God for your own philosophy if you so choose. It is much easier to blame God of course, than to take responsibility for our own failures. The interesting thing about the way the Bible describes grace, though, is that Biblical grace is God giving us the ability to grow in Him if we are only willing to do acknowledge our need and let Him work. But then, calvinism has had to redifine "grace" to mean something opposed to the Bible's grace. There's a lot of that in reformed philosophy. I no longer call reformed belief a theology, because I am increasingly convinced that its end leads further and further away from God, as evidenced by it's leading contemporary voice denouncing the Holy Spirit's deity and his live audience recording studio not emptying out at that pronouncement.


That is interesting, because those who don't subscribe to Calvinism are very open about. Why would a church hide behind that belief and not scream it out, if that's their view.
I know you are not questioning my salvation, at least I hope not !


The carnal man is at enmity with God, the old man hates God and will not come to God.

Not by might, not by power, but by My Spirit !

Well I wonder how well you truly understand what salvation is and what happens when one is saved, because until one COMES to God, one does NOT have the Holy Spirit. Period.

I see that you used 'Spirit' with a capital 'S'. Spirit with a capital 'S' refers to diety or God, which could only be the Holy Spirit.

It is after we come to God admitting that we need the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin, ONLY AFTER ALL of our sin has been forgiven, does the Holy Spirit (who is God Himself) come to us. Because God cannot reside in a sinner (that has not had their sin washed away by the Savior Jesus Christ). Period.

God in (inside of) us is ONLY POSSIBLE after all of our sin has been accounted for and taken away by Christ. That is why ALL must come through Christ to the Father.

So what you say that you believe you contradict in your own writing. That's the problem.

You cannot not come to God and have the Holy Spirit, because Christ is the advocate between man and God. Your words make no sense and do not follow the Bible at all.

Why don't you make a clear post with scripture included that states your position? That would be helpful.

P.S. Carnal man is only at enmity with God UNTIL they accept/come to Jesus.

Remember the verse "no man will come to the Father but through me".

That is why Jesus is the ONLY way. Man is not reconciled back to God without the removal of sin. And no one can keep the Law, no man.
 
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I really have no idea what you are barking at me about.

Read my last post to get a clue how I see The Holy Spirit.

I get it. You are firmly against some form of Calvinism I know nothing about.

Please leave me out of your non-edifying, baseless rants !

If you explained yourself well, I'm sure that we could see how you have come to your beliefs. I would appreciate it if you could really explain it Biblically and include scripture, otherwise we read what your words say and it is short, with no scripture and confusing. no one is barking at you, we are trying to understand your short posts with no clear outline of how you got to your beliefs, with no scripture support.

Is that not a recipe for misunderstanding?

We ONLY seek to understand you. Your reading something personal that is not there.
 
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I know you are not questioning my salvation, at least I hope not !


The carnal man is at enmity with God, the old man hates God and will not come to God.

Not by might, not by power, but by My Spirit !

Where The Spirit of The Lord is, there is power !


Unsaved people cannot and will not come to Christ because they are unwilling and unable.

Why then have they not come ? What is preventing them coming to Christ for salvation ?

If it is a matter of persuasion, that should be easy...but it failed with King Agrippa !


Let's duplicate what got your saved, lets just help people make a choice for God !

The Bible says God calls us out of the darkness into His marvelous Light.

The Bible says men are blinded and captive by the god of this age.


If men have strength, power, ability, etc... Then why do they not choose God ?

Again, what makes one man to differ from another man ?

That is interesting, because those who don't subscribe to Calvinism are very open about. Why would a church hide behind that belief and not scream it out, if that's their view.


Well I wonder how well you truly understand what salvation is and what happens when one is saved, because until one COMES to God, one does NOT have the Holy Spirit. Period.

I see that you used 'Spirit' with a capital 'S'. Spirit with a capital 'S' refers to diety or God, which could only be the Holy Spirit.

It is after we come to God admitting that we need the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin, ONLY AFTER ALL of our sin has been forgiven, does the Holy Spirit (who is God Himself) come to us. Because God cannot reside in a sinner (that has not had their sin washed away by the Savior Jesus Christ). Period.

God in (inside of) us is ONLY POSSIBLE after all of our sin has been accounted for and taken away by Christ. That is why ALL must come through Christ to the Father.

So what you say that you believe you contradict in your own writing. That's the problem.

You cannot not come to God and have the Holy Spirit, because Christ is the advocate between man and God. Your words make no sense and do not follow the Bible at all.

Why don't you make a clear post with scripture included that states your position? That would be helpful.

P.S. Carnal man is only at enmity with God UNTIL they accept/come to Jesus.

Remember the verse "no man will come to the Father but through me".

That is why Jesus is the ONLY way. Man is not reconciled back to God without the removal of sin. And no one can keep the Law, no man.


I appreciate the olive branch.

I have not posted in over a year. You do not know me, my pov, or my style.


I am quoting Bible verses, just not designating them.

Not by might, power...by My Spirit is in The Bible ! Not my words !


We are saved BY GRACE, not of or by ourselves. We cannot boast.

I think the disconnect is when we receive The Holy Spirit
 
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Well I wonder how well you truly understand what salvation is and what happens when one is saved, because until one COMES to God, one does NOT have the Holy Spirit. Period.

I see that you used 'Spirit' with a capital 'S'. Spirit with a capital 'S' refers to diety or God, which could only be the Holy Spirit.

It is after we come to God admitting that we need the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin, ONLY AFTER ALL of our sin has been forgiven, does the Holy Spirit (who is God Himself) come to us. Because God cannot reside in a sinner (that has not had their sin washed away by the Savior Jesus Christ). Period.

God in (inside of) us is ONLY POSSIBLE after all of our sin has been accounted for and taken away by Christ. That is why ALL must come through Christ to the Father.

So what you say that you believe you contradict in your own writing. That's the problem.

You cannot not come to God and have the Holy Spirit, because Christ is the advocate between man and God. Your words make no sense and do not follow the Bible at all.
Again, I am speaking Spiritual truths in Spiritual words, right from The Bible !

You seem to say The Holy Spirit is not part of salvation...

We are called, drawn, led...but no Spirit ?

So, The Father and Son are involved, but no Spirit ?


Please elucidate



Not of yourselves means not of yourselves...RIGHT ?
 
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I appreciate the olive branch.

I have not posted in over a year. You do not know me, my pov, or my style.


I am quoting Bible verses, just not designating them.

Not by might, power...by My Spirit is in The Bible ! Not my words !


We are saved BY GRACE, not of or by ourselves. We cannot boast.

I think the disconnect is when we receive The Holy Spirit

So, I went looking and found the verse that you are quoting and I'm putting it below with the verses before and after for context. I am including two different bible versions because the KJV uses 'spirit' in lowercase while the other versions use 'Spirit' in uppercase. I find that confusing, myself.


Zechariah 4:1-10 KJV


1And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep, 2And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: 3And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof. 4So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? 5Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. 7Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

8Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 9The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. 10For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.


Zechariah 4:1-10 ESV

And the angel who talked with me came again and woke me, like a man who is awakened out of his sleep. 2And he said to me, “What do you see?” I said, “I see, and behold, a lampstand all of gold, with a bowl on the top of it, and seven lamps on it, with seven lips on each of the lamps that are on the top of it. 3And there are two olive trees by it, one on the right of the bowl and the other on its left.” 4And I said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these, my lord?” 5Then the angel who talked with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” I said, “No, my lord.” 6Then he said to me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the Lord of hosts. 7Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain. And he shall bring forward the top stone amid shouts of ‘Grace, grace to it!’”

8Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 9“The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also complete it. Then you will know that the Lord of hosts has sent me to you. 10For whoever has despised the day of small things shall rejoice, and shall see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel.


I guess I don't understand how that says that we have the Holy Spirit in us before salvation, though. It seems like your use of it is out of context with our discussion.
 
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Again, I am speaking Spiritual truths in Spiritual words, right from The Bible !

You seem to say The Holy Spirit is not part of salvation...

We are called, drawn, led...but no Spirit ?

So, The Father and Son are involved, but no Spirit ?


Please elucidate



Not of yourselves means not of yourselves...RIGHT ?

The Father is not involved, per se because the verses say that we can only come to the Father through Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is not involved, per se because the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God and the Son is God, but in Jesus He was both God AND man while He was on this earth. After the ressurection, He went back to the Father and is once again the Son of God and not a man anymore.


I hold to what I said.

Because of Jesus Christ, the person who was BOTH God and man, it is ONLY though our coming to the Son and through the forgiveness of sin (through the blood of Jesus Christ) that we can have our sin advocated for and once more be reconciled back to God.

It is ONLY THEN, after we are saved (and reconciled back to God through the death and blood of Jesus Christ who was BOTH God and man) can we have "God in us" which is the Holy Spirit in us.
 
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Again, I am speaking Spiritual truths in Spiritual words, right from The Bible !

You seem to say The Holy Spirit is not part of salvation...

The Bible must be read within the context of the chapter, the verses before and after a verse give it context as well as other parts of the Bible if they cross-reference each other.

Many read or quote a Bible verse for a conversation that it has no context in the point that they are using the verse to make. This is what I believe that you may have done, but I will wait to read your response before I decide.

For your second sentence, the Holy Spirit is not part of salvation in the sense that salvation is through the Son, Jesus Christ.

ACTS 4:10 - 11

"let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. 11This Jesusa is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.b 12And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among menc by which we must be saved.”

Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,"

Isaiah 43:11

"I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior."


However, the Holy Spirit is part of what happens upon (and during ) salvation. After our sins are forgiven by Christ, we receive the Holy Spirit. It is all part of inheritance in Christ and happens in an order, but together right after each other.

1 Corinthians 12:13

“For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.”

Romans 8:9
"You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have he Spirit of Christ does not belong to him."

Ephesians 1:13-14
"In him you also, when you heard ethe word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it"
 
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The Bible must be read within the context of the chapter, the verses before and after a verse give it context as well as other parts of the Bible if they cross-reference each other.

Many read or quote a Bible verse for a conversation that it has no context in the point that they are using the verse to make. This is what I believe that you may have done, but I will wait to read your response before I decide.

For your second sentence, the Holy Spirit is not part of salvation in the sense that salvation is through the Son, Jesus Christ.

ACTS 4:10 - 11

"let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. 11This Jesusa is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.b 12And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among menc by which we must be saved.”

Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,"

Isaiah 43:11

"I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior."


However, the Holy Spirit is part of what happens upon (and during ) salvation. After our sins are forgiven by Christ, we receive the Holy Spirit. It is all part of inheritance in Christ and happens in an order, but together right after each other.

1 Corinthians 12:13

“For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.”

Romans 8:9
"You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have he Spirit of Christ does not belong to him."

Ephesians 1:13-14
"In him you also, when you heard ethe word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it"
 
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To take snippets from the Bible and then tell us that calvin's philosophy of how those snippets should be interpreted trumps the rest of scripture is technically quoting scripture, but misses teachings of the Bible, much like those who quoted snippets of the scriptures mixed with human teaching did in Jesus's time on the Earth in a body. Those people are the ones who incited the crowd to shout, "crucify!" I am not accusing anyone here of shouting "crucify." I am pointing out where snippets and human error has the capacity to get us.
 
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The Father is not involved, per se because the verses say that we can only come to the Father through Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is not involved, per se because the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God and the Son is God, but in Jesus He was both God AND man while He was on this earth. After the ressurection, He went back to the Father and is once again the Son of God and not a man anymore.


I hold to what I said.

Because of Jesus Christ, the person who was BOTH God and man, it is ONLY though our coming to the Son and through the forgiveness of sin (through the blood of Jesus Christ) that we can have our sin advocated for and once more be reconciled back to God.

It is ONLY THEN, after we are saved (and reconciled back to God through the death and blood of Jesus Christ who was BOTH God and man) can we have "God in us" which is the Holy Spirit in us.

You have now gone off on a tangent that serves no purpose.
We are born of water and The Spirit according to Jesus, but you say otherwise ?

I will not enter into a verse posting contest, that accomplishes nothing.
Can you provide exegetical validation, ECF writing, commentary, and not IMHO ?
Can you open up the Scriptures and shine a Light in a dark place ?

Somehow you have lost the intent of the thread...denying Calvinism.
I am not defending Calvinism. I don't think most people even know all the details.
By some feat of contortionism, you have neutered The Holy Spirit in salvation.

How does a Spiritual transformation begin in dead flesh? The Holy Spirit is a gift. From where does The Holy Spirit come from? Is it self-generated, manufactured internally in the flesh ? God is Spirit. Aren’t we born of water and The Spirit ? Are we to believe man can self-save, adopt himself into God’s family ? Change must be caused and instigated. Why would the same dead flesh suddenly want to be in Christ unless the flesh had a revelation, a calling, a change of the “wanter”.

Pelagian or Semi- Pelagian, believe they possess enough goodness and strength to save self. Romans says, “when we were yet without strength”. If The Kingdom is by invitation, does one crash a party he really has no interest in attending or for that matter does not even know about ? Flesh and blood that cannot inherit The Kingdom of God, shows up for some unknown reason at God’s door. Simply not possible.
 
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So I saw a shirt today worn by a teenage looking young man that said, "To deny Calvinism is to deny the gospel of Jesus Christ ~ C.H. Spurgeon" True or False?
True,though there are a lot of Calvinists who prefer Doctrines of Grace,but since it was Calvin who organized a Systematic Theology.Other people called it Calvinism.But yes i agree.
 
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You have now gone off on a tangent that serves no purpose.
We are born of water and The Spirit according to Jesus, but you say otherwise ?

I will not enter into a verse posting contest, that accomplishes nothing.
Can you provide exegetical validation, ECF writing, commentary, and not IMHO ?
Can you open up the Scriptures and shine a Light in a dark place ?

Somehow you have lost the intent of the thread...denying Calvinism.
I am not defending Calvinism. I don't think most people even know all the details.
By some feat of contortionism, you have neutered The Holy Spirit in salvation.

How does a Spiritual transformation begin in dead flesh? The Holy Spirit is a gift. From where does The Holy Spirit come from? Is it self-generated, manufactured internally in the flesh ? God is Spirit. Aren’t we born of water and The Spirit ? Are we to believe man can self-save, adopt himself into God’s family ? Change must be caused and instigated. Why would the same dead flesh suddenly want to be in Christ unless the flesh had a revelation, a calling, a change of the “wanter”.

Pelagian or Semi- Pelagian, believe they possess enough goodness and strength to save self. Romans says, “when we were yet without strength”. If The Kingdom is by invitation, does one crash a party he really has no interest in attending or for that matter does not even know about ? Flesh and blood that cannot inherit The Kingdom of God, shows up for some unknown reason at God’s door. Simply not possible.
We come to Christ in faith. Faith comes by hearing the word of God.

It's not that complex.
 
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True,though there are a lot of Calvinists who prefer Doctrines of Grace,but since it was Calvin who organized a Systematic Theology.Other people called it Calvinism.But yes i agree.
lets have fun.


To deny Calvinism is to deny the gospel of Jesus Christ ~ C.H. Spurgeon ,,what exactly did Spurgeon mean by that ? do we have the context he said it in and his surrounding statements ? (im sure we do ,i just don't know them -yet . )
 
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lets have fun.


To deny Calvinism is to deny the gospel of Jesus Christ ~ C.H. Spurgeon ,,what exactly did Spurgeon mean by that ? do we have the context he said it in and his surrounding statements ? (im sure we do ,i just don't know them -yet . )
Was Charles Spurgeon a Calvinist?
FROM Nathan W. Bingham Nov 29, 2013 Category: Articles

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Was Charles Spurgeon a Calvinist? The Prince of Preachers himself answers this question in the affirmative:

“It is no novelty, then, that I am preaching; no new doctrine. I love to proclaim these strong old doctrines, that are called by nickname Calvinism, but which are surely and verily the revealed truth of God as it is in Christ Jesus.” —Charles Spurgeon
In Dr. Steven Lawson’s book, The Gospel Focus of Charles Spurgeon, Dr. Lawson argues that not only was Spurgeon a Calvinist, but his fervent commitment to the doctrines of grace actually “sharpened” his “gospel focus.”

We’ve compiled several adapted excerpts from The Gospel Focus of Charles Spurgeon to outline Spurgeon’s beliefs concerning the sovereignty of God in salvation.

Note: The eBook edition of Dr. Lawson’s The Gospel Focus of Charles Spurgeonis a free download in November.

Total Depravity

For Spurgeon, total depravity was where the message of the gospel begins. The saving message of grace starts with total depravity. Man is entirely corrupted by sin. He is spiritually dead and unable to save himself. He could not be more hopeless and helpless.

“If God requires of the sinner, dead in sin, that he should take the first step, then he requires just that which renders salvation as impossible under the gospel as it was under the law, since man is as unable to believe as he is to obey.” —Charles Spurgeon
Simply put, Spurgeon believed that no human will is entirely free. It is either a slave of sin or a slave of Christ, but never free.

Unconditional Election

By necessity, unconditional election flows from belief in human depravity. Because the will of man is utterly dead and cannot choose God, God mustexercise His sovereign will to save. Out of the mass of fallen humanity, God made an eternal, distinguishing choice. Before the foundation of the world, He determined whom He would save. Spurgeon contended that were it not for God’s choice of His elect, none would be saved.

Like all the doctrines that Spurgeon held, he believed this truth because he was convinced it is rooted and grounded in the Bible:

“Whatever may be said about the doctrine of election, it is written in the Word of God as with an iron pen, and there is no getting rid of it.” —Charles Spurgeon
Definite Atonement

Charles Spurgeon strongly affirmed the doctrine of definite atonement. This truth teaches that Christ died exclusively for those chosen by the Father and, thus, actually secured the salvation of all those for whom He died. Such a definite redemption stands in contrast to the Arminian view, which claims that Christ did not actually save anyone in particular by His death, but merely made salvationpossible for everyone. Spurgeon adamantly rejected this vague position:

“A redemption which pays a price, but does not ensure that which is purchased—a redemption which calls Christ a substitute for the sinner, but yet which allows the person to suffer—is altogether unworthy of our apprehensions of Almighty God.” —Charles Spurgeon
Such a nebulous belief, he insisted, grossly dishonors God, especially His justice, and distorts the saving purpose of Christ in His substitutionary death.

Irresistible Grace

God’s sovereign call, Spurgeon affirmed, is far more powerful than any man’s resistance: “A man is not saved against his will, but he is made willing by the operation of the Holy Ghost. A mighty grace which he does not wish to resist enters into the man, disarms him, makes a new creature of him, and he is saved.” This means no one is beyond the saving power of God:

“Difficulty is not a word to be found in the dictionary of heaven. Nothing can be impossible with God. The swearing reprobate, whose mouth is blackened with profanity, whose heart is a very hell, and his life like the reeking flames of the bottomless pit—such a man, if the Lord but looks on him and makes bare His arm of irresistible grace, shall yet praise God and bless His name and live to His honor.” —Charles Spurgeon
In short, no human heart is so obstinate that the Spirit cannot conquer and convert it.

Preserving Grace

“I must confess that the doctrine of the final preservation of the saints was a bait that my soul could not resist. I thought it was a sort of life insurance—an insurance of my character, an insurance of my soul, an insurance of my eternal destiny. I knew that I could not keep myself, but if Christ promised to keep me, then I should be safe for ever; and I longed and prayed to find Christ, because I knew that, if I found Him, He would not give me a temporary and trumpery salvation, such as some preach, but eternal life which could never be lost.” —Charles Spurgeon
Preserving grace became a key component of Spurgeon’s gospel focus. Without it, he claimed, he would not be able to preach: “If anybody could possibly convince me that final perseverance is not a truth of the Bible, I should never preach again, for I feel I should have nothing worth preaching.” Simply put, the perseverance of the saints was a necessary link in the unbreakable golden chain of salvation that he preached.
 
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i can see how either side of this kind of debate can err . we do not "do" to be saved -we "do" because it is evidence that we are saved .

and if our life displays that we continue in practice of sin then "that" is evidence that we are not yet saved .
 
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So I saw a shirt today worn by a teenage looking young man that said, "To deny Calvinism is to deny the gospel of Jesus Christ ~ C.H. Spurgeon" True or False?
The funny thing is that when you read Spurgeon's sermons, he denies Calvinism himself, yet continues to promote the idea that he is a Calvinist. Here's an example:

Think also, why is it that you are instructed in the truths revealed in the Word of God? Why is it that there are so many expostulations and warnings in it? Why is it that this precious Book is put into all your homes? Why is it so full of invitations and promises, but that all this is intended to be a "wagon" to bring you to your Joseph, even to Jesus? When you see God, as it were, moving heaven and earth to help you to salvation, bending providence in the direction of aiding you to hear and to believe the gospel, surely you ought to say, "It is enough; Jesus is yet alive; God means mercy for me; Christ Jesus can save me, and he will save me."
http://www.romans45.org/spurgeon/sermons/2470.htm

This is addressed to anyone and everyone who is listening. So where is the Calvinism in this? So what is stated above is patently false.
 
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