Demon Posession

[Terri]

Originally posted by Br. Max
psychology is a quack science.

I think it is all quack, no science!

 

[Annabel Lee]

Originally posted by Terri
I think it is all quack, no science!

Any special reason?

 

[Terri]

Any special reason?

Annabel I've had a lot of experience with it.  One psychologist of mine even died of a drug overdose--probably suicide.  Even with my problems, I tried to help him--but couldn't.

Once I learned spiritual warfare and how to use the Word of God in the Bible just like Jesus did when he was tempted by satan--emotional problems were cured.

 

 

[dignitized]

Annabel: the thing about psychology/psychiatry is that they are completely arbitrary. I can put you in front of a room full of psychologists and you would be lucky if two people would give you the same diagnosis. How can we call it a science when there is no real standard? Its all a matter of how each psychologist is willing to interpret "symptoms."

 

[Mother Vashti]

I'm surprised no one else thinks that a believer can be demon-possessed. I believe they can.
Jesus said that we should be careful - a demon is cast out and dwells in dry places, before he decides to go back to his original home and he finds it conquered, swept, and furnished. He therefore retakes it with the help of several others, and the state of the man is worse that his former state.

 

[Terri]

Originally posted by Mother Vashti
I'm surprised no one else thinks that a believer can be demon-possessed. I believe they can.
Jesus said that we should be careful - a demon is cast out and dwells in dry places, before he decides to go back to his original home and he finds it conquered, swept, and furnished. He therefore retakes it with the help of several others, and the state of the man is worse that his former state.

[color=blue=]Hi Vashti ! 

I believe this is referring to an unsaved person.  When a demon is cast out of an unbeliever, and they don't have the Holy Spirit, the demon can return, bringing others with it.[/color]

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by Pray4Isrel
I do not believe that a Believer can be possessed, but as was mentioned earlier, a Believer can be oppressed.  Two entirely different things.

They can be repressed, but they do not have to be. What we have to make sure is that we have the mind of Christ and the divine thoughts of God. We do not want to allow the demons to do our thinking for us.

I am pretty careful about watching TV, because I do not want a lot of worldly thinking to influence me. I want to have the mind of Christ and I want His attitude all the time, not just part time.

 

[Mother Vashti]

That occured to me as well, Terri. Perhaps your right.

 

[4Jesus]

Originally posted by JohnR7
They can be repressed, but they do not have to be. What we have to make sure is that we have the mind of Christ and the divine thoughts of God. We do not want to allow the demons to do our thinking for us.

I am pretty careful about watching TV, because I do not want a lot of worldly thinking to influence me. I want to have the mind of Christ and I want His attitude all the time, not just part time.

Thanx John, That's good advice. A lot of worldly concepts have entered the lives of mainstream Christianity. There are people that think reading their horoscope is a harmless thing to do but they dont realize this sort of thing has its counterpart in the bible as witchcraft.   

 

[EveOfGrace]

That occured to me as well, Terri. Perhaps your right

Mother Vashti dont back down from your original belief, you were right the first time.

When we say 'possessed' we are genarally refferring to the greek daimonizomai which means: to be exercised by a demon -have a or be vexed with, be possessed with.

A christian is not exempt from this if they have left certain behaviors caused by sins unrepented.  

Possession does NOT mean ownership. A Christian is IN Christ, set free from captivity and returned (repent) re=return pent=highest place to the place that Adam held to start with. Dominion.

Someone said earlier, that God cannot dwell inside the same temple with a demon. I suggest reading Ezekiel ch. 8-10.

We, Christians are told, not before becoming one but after, to 'cleanse ourself from all filthiness of the flesh'. Filthiness? If that is not open grounds for nasty, smelly, blackhearted demons then what is.

EveOfGrace

 

 

[EveOfGrace]

Oh yeah, one more thing. Matthew 10:8 was also quoted:Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons.  Freely you have recieved, freely give.

If casting out demons is including in that verse as something we should ALL be doing, along with cleansing lepers, raising the dead and healing the sick, then by those standards, A Christian cannot be sick either.

It is silly to presume that SOME of those things mentioned cannot come upon us, but yet others can. Its either one way, or no way.

EveOfGrace  

 

 

[Live4Jesus]

Originally posted by Mother Vashti
I'm surprised no one else thinks that a believer can be demon-possessed. I believe they can.
Jesus said that we should be careful - a demon is cast out and dwells in dry places, before he decides to go back to his original home and he finds it conquered, swept, and furnished. He therefore retakes it with the help of several others, and the state of the man is worse that his former state.

thats why you need the Holy spirit to fill up the space they leave behind...

the armour of God, got to put it on. Theres knowledge too thats neccessary... Holy spirit needs the right attitude and awareness from you...

 

[Live4Jesus]

Originally posted by EveOfGrace
Oh yeah, one more thing. Matthew 10:8 was also quoted:Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons.  Freely you have recieved, freely give.

If casting out demons is including in that verse as something we should ALL be doing, along with cleansing lepers, raising the dead and healing the sick, then by those standards, A Christian cannot be sick either.

It is silly to presume that SOME of those things mentioned cannot come upon us, but yet others can. Its either one way, or no way.

EveOfGrace  

 

There are pastors who do it all. Go exploring... they're there. You have to be walking just about perfectly with God to do these things, most of us are probably somewhere in between...

I can get rid of demons though. And illnesses sometimes too. Actually its the Holy Spirit that does it.

So I guess if you doubt as you do, then you probably don't believe in the Holy Spirit either.

 

[Live4Jesus]

Originally posted by JohnR7
They can be repressed, but they do not have to be. What we have to make sure is that we have the mind of Christ and the divine thoughts of God. We do not want to allow the demons to do our thinking for us.

I am pretty careful about watching TV, because I do not want a lot of worldly thinking to influence me. I want to have the mind of Christ and I want His attitude all the time, not just part time.

Thats right John.

 

[4Jesus]

Originally posted by Live4Jesus
There are pastors who do it all. Go exploring... they're there.

Do you believe that only an ordained pastor has this power and what are your thoughts on Mark 16:18?

 

[Terri]

EveOfGrace I suggest you read the verse below.  It specifically says the house is unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.  There is no filthiness of the flesh as you suggest.

EveOfGrace are you catholic?  That might explain some of our different beliefs.

MT 12:43 "When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44 Then it says, `I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first.

 

[Terri]

Originally posted by EveOfGrace
Oh yeah, one more thing. Matthew 10:8 was also quoted:Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons.  Freely you have recieved, freely give.

If casting out demons is including in that verse as something we should ALL be doing, along with cleansing lepers, raising the dead and healing the sick, then by those standards, A Christian cannot be sick either.

It is silly to presume that SOME of those things mentioned cannot come upon us, but yet others can. Its either one way, or no way.

EveOfGrace  

 

I won't be unkind and say your reasoning is silly, but it is definitely flawed.   

 

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Originally posted by Mother Vashti
I'm surprised no one else thinks that a believer can be demon-possessed. I believe they can.
Jesus said that we should be careful - a demon is cast out and dwells in dry places, before he decides to go back to his original home and he finds it conquered, swept, and furnished. He therefore retakes it with the help of several others, and the state of the man is worse that his former state.

In my experience I would shy away from saying possessed.  The term I tend to use is demonized.  Meaning a demon is hanging on, and causing a great deal of havic in the life of the person demonized. 

When we come to Jesus, generally, we come with a lot of baggage that does not just drop away when our sins are forgiven.  Yes, we are made brand new and white as snow but unless the people are delievered as well as saved there still quite possibly remains the demons that have tormented them from before.

These people are not possessed by the demons, they are oppressed.  The demons can be cast off and the person then instructed on how to live a life that is holy before the Lord so the demons do not come back, with others and take up residense again ON the believer.

Quaffer

 

[4Jesus]

Originally posted by EveOfGrace


Someone said earlier, that God cannot dwell inside the same temple with a demon. I suggest reading Ezekiel ch. 8-10. 


EveOfGrace

 

 Can you explain what you mean by this?

The passage in Matt.12:43-45 is addressed to Israel as a nation. Only by inviting Jesus to be the honored guest and head of the home could Israel know the full blessing of God.

 If we look at the OT we see that the law rewarding salvation by good works and the NT salvation by grace have the same thing in common, they both expose sin and bring helpless sinners to depend on the mercy of God. Hebrews 11 expressly states that the OT saints died placing their faith in God and since their perfection could not come by the law, it is grace that they depended on. When we look at the example of some of these people they constantly had to battle with their human natures but they had faith that God is merciful.

Job even declared:

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me. (Job 19:25-27)

 

 

[Terri]

Now I definitely believe a believer can be oppressed.  Been there--done that! 

Don't believe casting off is absolutely necessary for a Christian.  In my case just learning to put on the armor of God was more than enough! 

Don't care for the term demonized--makes it sound like they are possessed which I don't think is possible.