Democrats shut down government over DACA

[FreeinChrist]

I guess some didn't note they are blaming the shutdown on Chuck Schumer and the Democrats.

Trump is trying his best to make a deal with the DACA ones. Something past presidents have only talked about.

M-Bob

No, Trump is not trying to make a deal regarding DACA. He is the one that put the March ending to it, and he is the one that rejected a deal between both parties after saying he would sign whatever they came up with.

And the Republicans have no reason for why they have not passed anything on CHIP which they claim to support. They left that unfunded so they could try and hold it over the Democrats heads regarding funding the government.

The Republicans have the White House, the majority, and the majority in the House. As to the deal last night, there were Republicans voting against the deal and some Democrats voting for it. That there is a shut down is totally their fault. One poll has 87% of Americans supporting DACA and there are a number of Republicans that want it. They can make a deal with the Democrats.

 

[FreeinChrist]

This blaming of the president is nonsense. At no time has he said that he's against keeping the government open, so everyone might as well go home. Indeed, it's been the opposite.

From last May
Trump: US ‘needs a good shutdown’

President Trump on Tuesday called for a "good shutdown" in September to fix the "mess” in government.

He also expressed frustration that legislation needs 60 votes in the Senate because of the filibuster, saying it would be necessary to elect more Republicans or "change the rules."
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[Albion]

From last May
Trump: US ‘needs a good shutdown’

President Trump on Tuesday called for a "good shutdown" in September to fix the "mess” in government.​

He does seem to be frustrated now that the Democrats have retreated from the agreement he thought they all had made--just because they think it might be to their advantage in the fall elections if they can sell the idea to the voters that the Republican shut down the government, not themselves.

 

[FreeinChrist]

The Democrats retreated? Really?

There was a deal in September that included money for border security (excluding the wall), and a month later it was Trump who shot it down. It was Trump who rescinded DACA in the first place.

Then last week, Trump said he would sign what ever bipartisan agreement that Graham and Durbin, etc came up with, and the agreement had money for the border, even including some wall building....and it was Trump who refused it and used the bad language about Haitians and African nations.

So we see that Trump is the one who rescinded it in the first place and set up the conflict - and then backed out an agreement in September - then said he would sign whatever a bipartisan group came up with just a week ago (we all saw it on TV) - and Trump who blew that up.......and it is the fault of the Dems?

No, it is the president's fault.

 

[Albion]

The Democrats retreated? Really?

There was a deal in September that included money for border security (excluding the wall), and a month later it was Trump who shot it down. It was Trump who rescinded DACA in the first place. .

Let us try to get the basics down correctly. The president and the people want the wall in order to have a reasonable degree of border security. All sorts of agreements could be arrived at concerning all these other issues after that is accomplished. However, the Democrats do not want that...so long as they think that immigrants from Latin America and Asia are likely to vote Democratic. So long as the Dems do not get their way on this matter, they will not hesitate to hold the whole country hostage to their plan.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Trump should remember what he said in 2013:

You said that the Dems retreated from an agreement. I showed that they did not. Trump did.
You are moving goalposts.

One, the Dems agreed with money for border security. Durbin and Graham are bringing their agreement to the Senate:

Graham, Durbin introduce bipartisan immigration bill despite setbacks - CNNPolitics

Sens. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois, and Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, introduced their bill Wednesday afternoon with Sens. Bob Menendez, D-New Jersey, Michael Bennet, D-Colorado, Jeff Flake, R-Arizona, Cory Gardner, R-Colorado, Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, Lamar Alexander, R-Tennessee, Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Mike Rounds, R-South Dakota, putting the bill close to having enough votes to pass the Senate, assuming unanimous Democratic support, but not quite to the 60-vote threshold needed to advance legislation.

The bill appeared to be the same that was presented to President Donald Trump last week, when the President, using vulgar terms, rejected the pitch, according to sources familiar with that meeting.

If passed, the bill would appropriate $2.705 billion in border security improvements, eliminate the visa lottery, make permanent the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program -- offering a pathway to citizenship to those who qualify -- and limit "chain migration," or family-based migration, of the individuals eligible for the program.
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Trump blew it up.

 

[Kenny'sID]

So does this mean anyone can grab control now? I mean doesn't "shut down" still mean shut down?

It'd be funny if that ever became an actual thing, and even ended up in the courts...guarantee they'd think twice about letting a shut down happen again.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Some government workers will get back pay when it all settled. Not much more in reality.

(1) Back pay is not guaranteed, though it has worked out that way in the past.
(2) Those workers, including military, have financial obligations in the meantime that you seem to conveniently ignore. To them, it is much in reality. Maybe not to you though.

 

[Macril]

So does this mean anyone can grab control now? I mean doesn't "shut down" still mean shut down?

It is all up for grabs now. Go get it. The future theocracy is depending on you.

 

[Kenny'sID]

It is all up for grabs now. Go get it. The future theocracy is depending on you.

Not sure I want it.

 

[Calminian]

Trump shutdown the government. Not the Reps. or the Dems., they overwhelmingly agree on DACA. But Trump keeps changing his mind about what he will sign.

I thought fake news was CNN's job.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Those workers, including military, have financial obligations in the meantime

True back pay coming in someday will not pay the rent due today. Most landlords are very kind in this situation but not all.

So they may use their credit cards to buy groceries and gas? That's cool but, most of these ones in the service don't need to run their credit up any higher than it is. So many are seeing credit counselors today.

Over the years I have rented to several service couples.

M-Bob

 

[Albion]

(1) Back pay is not guaranteed, though it has worked out that way in the past.
(2) Those workers, including military, have financial obligations in the meantime that you seem to conveniently ignore. To them, it is much in reality. Maybe not to you though.

Well, what he wrote was "not much more," and that is a correct explanation. It is also very appropriate when people are hearing that the government has been "shut down." They obviously are likely to think it is a more serious development than it is.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I thought fake news was CNN's job.

Not their job but, they are the best at it.
M-Bob

 

[Albion]

That seems safe to say.

 

[Zoii]

This sort of paralyzing of government occurs in democracies across the world. Its one of the weaknesses of democracy that a government cannot get on with policies it was elected to implement when its opposition wont allow it.

For all the limitations on individual freedoms in autocratic societies such as China, if the autocracy is a responsible one then it can implement very long-term policies simply because it believes it the right thing to do for the nation.

I just wanted to add that observation and sorry for side-tracking.

 

[Tutorman]

Dems deserve blame for 'Schumer Shutdown,' GOP leaders say

Of course. Dems hate Americans and love criminals like illegal aliens

 

[SkyWriting]

President has authority to keep all essential services operating. Some parks may close but it is mostly grandstanding and scare tactics.

So the government shuts down except for essential services? Sounds OK to me.

 

[SkyWriting]

For all the limitations on individual freedoms in autocratic societies such as China, if the autocracy is a responsible one then it can implement very long-term policies simply because it believes it the right thing to do for the nation.

I wouldn't trade government stability for government atrocities.
China Human Rights

 

[Postvieww]

(1) Back pay is not guaranteed, though it has worked out that way in the past.

Do you really think there is a possibility our Senators and Congressmen will not get their back pay?