Democrats shut down government over DACA

[Hank77]

I thought fake news was CNN's job.

http://thehill.com/latino/363330-34-house-republicans-demand-daca-action-this-year

Is CNN lying about these Senators?

For the last several months, familiar players in the immigration debate -- South Carolina's Sen. Lindsey Graham and Arizona's Sen. Jeff Flake -- have re-emerged, committed to finding a narrower legislative solution for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals policy, a program that shielded young immigrants who came to the US illegally as children from deportation. But new faces have also joined in. Sen. James Lankford, a Republican from Oklahoma, a state with a relatively small immigrant population, is involved, as is Sen. Cory Gardner of Colorado, the leader of the Senate's campaign arm, and Sen. Thom Tillis of North Carolina, who worked as speaker of the House back in his state to pass immigration bills.
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/05/politics/republicans-immigration-daca-fight-2013/index.html

Senators, like these have spoken openly saying that overwhelmingly Republicans in Congress want DACA and they want CHIP.

By the time the president finally kicked reporters out of the meeting, he had said yes to everyone while clarifying virtually nothing. And what was undeniably a victory for government transparency had turned into another frustrating experience for Republicans, who repeatedly implored Trump to tell them exactly what he would accept in a DACA bill.
....
“I’m not going to support a bill unless you support it,” Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, an erstwhile-Trump-critic-turned-ally, bluntly told the president at one point. “You have created an opportunity, Mr. President, and you need to close the deal.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ion-white-house-meeting-congress-daca/550100/

He is not going to close the deal, he is not going to take the heat. He still hasn't told Republicans what he will sign. Is this a strategic move to make Dems. look bad? Only a dye-in-the-wool partisan would be fooled into thinking that this government shutdown is all the Dems. fault, or all the Reps. fault, or even all Congress' fault.

 

[Albion]

Really? What was he willing to give them? The Reps say that they don't know what the president will sign because he keeps changing what he says depending on who he has been talking to.

There were several items the president was giving. One was a six-year extension of a low-income children’s health program. The democrats wanted the shutdown more, however.

 

[Foxfyre]

Dems deserve blame for 'Schumer Shutdown,' GOP leaders say

The Dems indeed deserve the blame for the shutdown as they got everything they wanted in the continuing resolution, i.e. extension of CHIP (child healthcare) for another six years and funding for other programs dear to the hearts of Democrats, and they had the solemn promise of the Republicans to deal with DACA and other immigration issues before President Trump's six month deadline runs out. He agreed not to enforce the law against the DACA people until March so that Congress would have an opportunity to act.

And the President is spot on when he says no more continuing resolutions. Let's get on with full appropriations bills to conform to the budget the Congress passed in October.

The Republicans passed President Trump's first budget in October and the House has dutifully submitted appropriation bills as they are required to do to direct the people's money to whatever departments, agencies, and projects are in the budget. But that process broke down mostly because of Senate Democrats filibustering the appropriations bills to prevent a vote on them.

If the appropriation bills are not passed, there is no authority to pay bills, schedule projects, or even keep the government going. So we have continuing resolutions authorizing sufficient payments to keep the government going for a few more weeks and, in the case of the one now pending, it also included a continuation of CHIP, that had expired, for six more years. But when the Democrats and a hand full of Republicans refused to allow it to come to a vote, the government closes. Except of course, nobody squawks when essential services are then illegally kept running. And government employees who are furloughed get a nice paid vacation though the pay for it is delayed just a bit--they always get paid. How nuts is that?

It is absolutely insane, irresponsible, and pure hateful for the Democrats and those few Republicans to do that to the country. Most especially when it on the pretense of protecting the legal status of DACA people who seem to be so much more important than the poor, the veterans, and others of the American people. At least Rand Paul joined the Democrats on the no votes on the basis that he would not agree to another irresponsible CR instead of a full appropriations bill. Constitutionally he is correct, but practically speaking, he is putting illegal immigrants ahead of American citizens.

And for the record, the Republicans are more than willing to give DACA people legal status in return for a cease to chain migration and the absolutely insane lottery system for immigrants that is currently in place. The Democrats have been offered that deal and they refuse it. They want it their way including allowing any and all illegal people (i.e. potential Democrats) into the country or they will agree to nothing. Hypocrites one and all they are.

 

[Hank77]

There were several items the president was giving. One was a six-year extension of a low-income children’s health program. The democrats wanted the shutdown more, however.

Talking about DACA.

 

[Albion]

You asked me to explain something I referred to in an earlier post, Hank: (“Really? What was he willing to give them?“) .

I took you at your word that it was a serious request.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Do you really think there is a possibility our Senators and Congressmen will not get their back pay?

We're talking military and federal employees. Their back pay would have to be voted on in Congress - so though it's been the case that in past shutdowns everyone gets back pay, there is no guarantee. I suspect they will, but the future is like the past until it isn't. We're also talking about people in Congress who use other people's paychecks as bargaining chips, so I wouldn't put anything past them.

 

[Stormy]

In just a few weeks dems might shut it down again. This time they will be voting against DACA. There is a door open to these illegals, a very wide open door. But Schumer refuses to allow them their path to citizenship.

 

[tulc]

Dems deserve blame for 'Schumer Shutdown,' GOP leaders say

so...the Party in Charge blames the one that's...not in charge? Well, I for one didn't see that coming.
tulc(is shocked, no really)

 

[Mountainmanbob]

so...the Party in Charge blames the one that's...not in charge? Well, I for one didn't see that coming.
tulc(is shocked, no really)

But tulc -- you know that's what really happened. Come on -- don't be shy.
Drink coffee -- be truthful.
M-Bob

 

[tulc]

Republicans in congress are like "Can we kick thousands of kids, who've grown up here, out of America?" and the Democrats in congress say "No." Then the Republicans ask "Can we defund millions of sick kids health care instead?" And the Democrats say "No!" And then the Republicans are like "Man, you Democrats aren't interested in any sort of compromise, are you!?!"
tulc(just shakes his head and drinks his coffee...not at the same time of course 'cause that might spill some)

 

[Stormy]

Tulc you really don't know what you are talking about.
Have you read Trumps proposal on immigration? He is not only willing to give the DACA people a pathway to citizenship but also many others.
Democrats are turning it down.

 

[Stormy]

Also the sick kids... Republicans have them in the budget. Chip has always been a priority. They were only in danger cause democrats would not add the few votes needed to keep the government opened. Democrats are obstructionist .. They don't care about anything other than trying to keep their dying party alive

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Republicans in congress are like "Can we kick thousands of kids, who've grown up here, out of America?" and the Democrats in congress say "No." Then the Republicans ask "Can we defund millions of sick kids health care instead?" And the Democrats say "No!" And then the Republicans are like "Man, you Democrats aren't interested in any sort of compromise, are you!?!"
tulc(just shakes his head and drinks his coffee...not at the same time of course 'cause that might spill some)

Not even close to the truth now??
Drifting way way out there.
What's going wrong??????
Coffee OD possibly??????????

M-Bob

 

[tulc]

Also the sick kids... Republicans have them in the budget. Chip has always been a priority. They were only in danger cause democrats would not add the few votes needed to keep the government opened. Democrats are obstructionist .. They don't care about anything other than trying to keep their dying party alive

...you do understand CHIP has been being held hostage just for this sort of thing since before September of last year, right? And at any time in 2017 they could have funded it without any of this drama, right?
9 million kids get insurance through CHIP. Congress is about to let its funding expire.

On September 30, funding for the Children's Health Insurance Program expires. After Republicans took a rushed and ultimately failed run at repealing Obamacare one last time, the program’s spending authorization is now at imminent risk of lapsing.

For technical reasons, the money wouldn't just run out on October 1. But nevertheless, advocates are furious that Congress let the deadline get this close without acting.

And the reason DACA is in this situation is because President Trump is seemingly committed to removing any and all proof of President Obama's administration. Been here:
Durbin: DACA crisis ‘manufactured by Republicans’
notice the date on that? all these things have been on the table since before September of last year. Either of these could have been fixed last year if the Republicans (Congress or the President) had been willing to do so. So to blame "the shut down" on anyone that doesn't have a big (R) after their name has no basis in reality.
tulc( "party of personal responsibility" is almost as unreal as "party of family values")

 

[tulc]

Not even close to the truth now??
Drifting way way out there.
What's going wrong??????
Coffee OD possibly??????????

M-Bob

Actually, I stay close to the truth, if you're with the Republican it just looks like I'm drifting, because of how fast they're swimming away from the facts and trying to blame their own inability to get anything accomplished even though they control everything.
tulc(mmmmm...coffee OD....not possible but surely worth trying....)

 

[Foxfyre]

...you do understand CHIP has been being held hostage just for this sort of thing since before September of last year, right? And at any time in 2017 they could have funded it without any of this drama, right?
9 million kids get insurance through CHIP. Congress is about to let its funding expire.

And the reason DACA is in this situation is because President Trump is seemingly committed to removing any and all proof of President Obama's administration. Been here:
Durbin: DACA crisis ‘manufactured by Republicans’
notice the date on that? all these things have been on the table since before September of last year. Either of these could have been fixed last year if the Republicans (Congress or the President) had been willing to do so. So to blame "the shut down" on anyone that doesn't have a big (R) after their name has no basis in reality.
tulc( "party of personal responsibility" is almost as unreal as "party of family values")

The only ones holding CHIP hostage are the Democrats. The House passed a bill that would ensure its full funding for another six years, and the Senate Republicans agreed to everything the House had passed regarding that and the President and Senate were willing to be even more generous with the DACA people. The Democrats got everything they demanded in both. And then THEY changed the goal posts and demanded more.

Nobody is holding anything hostage except the Democrats. And any who can't appreciate that, can't appreciate that the President and Republicans have a say in it, then their agenda would seem to have nothing to do with either CHIP or DACA.

 

[BobRyan]

Dems deserve blame for 'Schumer Shutdown,' GOP leaders say

Good point.

Funding the government is purely a "spending bill" -- but a tiny group of democrat leaders in D.C think it is funny to hold America hostage over their pet political projects ... and choking government ... clogging up the system... seems to them like the best way to make noise and gin up support from a few people in their base. Not sure all democrats swallow that weaken-America-till-we-win policy.

 

[jgarden]

Military members will no longer get paid as of Feb 1st unless the shutdown ends or another emergency bill is passed like back in 2013.

For us military members, it's a scary possiblity. I know many military members who are currently living paycheck to paycheck. This could possibly ruin them.

im praying that the bigwigs in DC fix this before feb 1st so that military members can continue to provide and take care of their families.

Democrats shut down government over DACA

If you had watched the debate in the Senate, the Democrats attempted to introduce legislation that would have made the military and veterans exempt from the "shutdown" - Majority Leader Mitch McConnell refused to put it to a vote!

The Republicans desperately needed to hold American military families and veterans as "hostages" to feed their narrative against the Democrats over DACA!