Democratic Debate

[Tallguy88]

There were no personal jabs.

That's what my boss (Hillary supporter, knows the Clintons personally) said.

 

[Cos-play]

Jindal is a devout Catholic from what I've been able to find, and well before running for national office. I believe it's out of line for you to question the sincerity of his faith, especially when it has no bearing on the issues.

Fyi, I'm not a Jindal supporter, I'm with Hillary or Bernie. But that was just too low a blow to leave unchallenged.

You know, you may be right.

On the other hand, Barack Obama is, according to everyone who knows him, a Christian.

On this board it's de rigueur to make the claim that he's a secret Muslim (as if there is something wrong with being Muslim in the first place)

and I've never seen anyone go after anyone who makes this claim with a sense of righteousness that is somehow inappropriate.

Some posters (like this Charlie of whom people speak) might actually care about being challenged for a "low blow" on a politician.

But as for me, looking up and looking around on this forum, I don't think there is too low a blow.

Sorry

 

[Tallguy88]

You know, you may be right.

On the other hand, Barack Obama is, according to everyone who knows him, a Christian.

On this board it's de rigueur to make the claim that he's a secret Muslim (as if there is something wrong with being Muslim in the first place)

and I've never seen anyone go after anyone who makes this claim with a sense of righteousness that is somehow inappropriate.

Some posters (like this Charlie of whom people speak) might actually care about being challenged for a "low blow" on a politician.

But as for me, looking up and looking around on this forum, I don't think there is too low a blow.

Sorry

I used to challenge that, until the people who espouse such things became caricatures for saying it. Now it's more helpful to know how unreasonable someone is and that's a great indicator, along with birther stuff.

 

[mark46]

You know, you may be right.

On the other hand, Barack Obama is, according to everyone who knows him, a Christian.

On this board it's de rigueur to make the claim that he's a secret Muslim (as if there is something wrong with being Muslim in the first place)

and I've never seen anyone go after anyone who makes this claim with a sense of righteousness that is somehow inappropriate.

Some posters (like this Charlie of whom people speak) might actually care about being challenged for a "low blow" on a politician.

But as for me, looking up and looking around on this forum, I don't think there is too low a blow.

Sorry

One chooses one's style. When your style is birther and questioning of someone's faith, you exclude many (most) of the posters from taking you seriously. That's fine. You are certainly free to do that. As you say, many folks do.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Off topic?

I posted it because one of the candidates is openly a socialist.

 

[Tallguy88]

I posted it because one of the candidates is openly a socialist.

In the same sense that the CC uses as unacceptable?

 

[Hank77]

One chooses one's style. When your style is birther and questioning of someone's faith, you exclude many (most) of the posters from taking you seriously. That's fine. You are certainly free to do that. As you say, many folks do.

I can't take seriously people (especially women) who "would love to see" a wife publicly dragged over the coals, in a live debate, with a question about her husband's bad behavior that happened almost twenty years ago. What kind of person takes pleasure in that kind of thing? And yet in one of these debate threads two people expressed that desire. Where does that kind of spite come from?
These are of coarse rhetorical questions.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

In the same sense that the CC uses as unacceptable?

The quote I posted is from the Catholic Church. So I don't know what you mean.

 

[Tallguy88]

The quote I posted is from the Catholic Church. So I don't know what you mean.

When Bernie Sanders describes himself as a "socialist", does he mean that he supports what the Catholic Church defines as "Socialism" or is it something else, but with a similar name.

 

[LoAmmi]

The quote I posted is from the Catholic Church. So I don't know what you mean.

Would you say that universal access to healthcare without regard to one's ability to pay is a socialist idea? I ask because I've routinely heard it referred to as socialist while Pope Benedict said that it was a human right.

 

[OldFashionGal]

Liberals don't want to help others. They want to confiscate wealth and use it to buy votes to increase their power base. They don't need higher taxes to help the poor. They can simply write a check. Of course, the best thing you can give a poor person is a job and a way to get ahead in life, but that doesn't fit the agenda of keeping a permanent underclass or people dependent on government.

Well, seniors that have served their country and worked for the benefits they get do not need to be told to get a job! It amazes me more and more everyday the lack of compassion I see from so many people! A lot of people are working and a lot more than 40 hours a week. Some of them have two and three jobs but do they need to find another one? A lot of poor people do have jobs. I can agree that those able to work should work.

Not to mention all the subsidies oil companies get OR tax refunds for Corporations that don't even pay taxes but God forbid to ask them to pay taxes and just let the middle class support them, too.

For sure get money out of politics on BOTH sides where candidates would not owe special favors. Bernie Sanders does not accept super pac money and will owe no special favors

 

[LivingWordUnity]

When Bernie Sanders describes himself as a "socialist", does he mean that he supports what the Catholic Church defines as "Socialism" or is it something else, but with a similar name.

The main reason why socialism is condemned by the Church is because it is inherently atheistic. Is Bernie Sanders an atheist?

 

[Hank77]

Would you say that universal access to healthcare without regard to one's ability to pay is a socialist idea? I ask because I've routinely heard it referred to as socialist while Pope Benedict said that it was a human right.

Yeshua, it's appears to me, believes it is a human right to have medical care.

The main reason why socialism is condemned by the Church is because it is inherently atheistic. Is Bernie Sanders an atheist?

I thought he had said he was but when I watched his interview at Liberty college when they asked what could they pray for, in regards to him, he asked that they pray for our country. He bowed his head and after the prayer he thanked them for their prayers. So I don't know for sure. God works in peoples hearts, I leave that up to Him.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Yeshua, it's appears to me, believes it is a human right to have medical care.

I thought he had said he was but when I watched his interview at Liberty college when they asked what could they pray for, in regards to him, he asked that they pray for our country. He bowed his head and after the prayer he thanked them for their prayers. So I don't know for sure. God works in peoples hearts, I leave that up to Him.

Liberty University is a Christian college. So it doesn't prove anything that he did that there since it was politically advantageous. Obama did something similar during his election campaign. I think it may have won him some of the evangelical votes. But after becoming president he immediately began with policies that aggressively attempt to force Christians to compromise our faith and morals. Politicians often play to the audience that is in front of them in order to win votes. His words and actions before and after visiting Liberty University are what we should be looking at to know the real Bernie Sanders.

 

[Tallguy88]

The main reason why socialism is condemned by the Church is because it is inherently atheistic. Is Bernie Sanders an atheist?

He's a Jew

 

[LivingWordUnity]

He's a Jew

Lots of Jews are atheists.

 

[Tallguy88]

Lots of Jews are atheists.

He identifies as a Jew. I've never heard him identify as an atheist.

Either way, what bearing does it have on whether his form of socialism is the Church-prohibited form? Has Bernie talked about abolishing private property or forcibly turning the means of production over to the Proletariat?

 

[KWCrazy]

Well, seniors that have served their country and worked for the benefits they get do not need to be told to get a job!

Who's telling them to get a job?
We're not talking about retired people, we're talking about young people who see that they have no future other than a lifetime of poverty.
Nobody has said anything about taking benefits from those who have earned them. Not ever.
Every election cycle it seems we have liberal politicians lying to the elderly and the retired about people wanting to take their social security. I find those lies pretty disgusting.

It amazes me more and more everyday the lack of compassion I see from so many people!

Compassionate people do not condemn others to a life of poverty so they can solidify a voting block. Compassionate people do not try to scare others with made up tales of things that will happen to them if they don't vote Democrat.

A lot of people are working and a lot more than 40 hours a week.

I'm one of them.

Not to mention all the subsidies oil companies get

Ahh, this old boogeyman again. Ask yourself this.
1. Should we allow oil companies to take a tax deduction also available to any U.S. manufacturer?
2. Should farmers be allowed a fuel tax exemption for the fuel they use on the farm?
3. Should we fund programs like the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (HEAP) that help low-income families with their heating bills?”

Those are the programs Democrats call oil subsidies. They also consider anything that reduces the cost of producing energy a subsidy. Think about that for a moment. Who actually USES the energy being produced? Reducing the cost of production benefits anyone who uses energy in any form, which includes the poor man who has to drive between his two jobs. Once again, Democrats champion a lie.

Or tax refunds for Corporations that don't even pay taxes but God forbid to ask them to pay taxes and just let the middle class support them, too.

Again, you're being lied to.
Corporations exist to make a profit. That profit goes to their shareholders, who pay taxes on it. You probably own stock in at least one major corporation. Simply send in double the amount of taxes you would normally pay and you can see how double taxation affects your pocketbook.

For sure get money out of politics on BOTH sides where candidates would not owe special favors.

This is easily done. Simply have networks give free air time, magazines give free advertising space and newspapers devote entire sections to the candidates so they never have to buy advertising. That way we could ALL run for president. Doesn't that make more sense? Of course, you'd have to ask the media outlets to work without pay and the ballots would be a thousand pages long, but that's a small price to pay to deny those who wish to donate their right to do so.

Bernie Sanders does not accept super pac money

He would if he could get it, but since he's a socialist with no chance of winning he isn't going to get any.

 

[KWCrazy]

The main reason why socialism is condemned by the Church is because it is inherently atheistic.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Every socialist government without totalitarian control either has failed or will fail. Sooner or later you run out of other people's money.
The Bible teaches that is it a sin to covet.
If you steal from a rich man you're a thief. If you steal from a rich man by electing someone to take from him and give you a portion, you're still a thief.
If you despise people because they have more than you, it's a sin.
You already HAVE your fair share... and then some. If you want more, earn it like everyone else does.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Wow. Lots of hate and name calling from the left. You all must be scared spitless.