Democratic Debate

[mark46]

I think that we will see O'Malley attacking Clinton for her changes on issues, apparently just for this campaign. Personally, I think that these are enough for Biden to want to get into the race. Clinton's opposition to the trade agreement is sort of like Romney being against Obamacare. Clinton has backed this agreement over 40 times in the past. Sanders will also talk about consistency on issue, albeit a bit more restrained that O'Malley who has nothing to lose by attacking.

There will be little attack on Sanders except perhaps by Webb, the right of center Democrat on the stage. He certainly SHOULD take at least a poke or two at the socialist policies of Sanders. Also, Webb will likely attack everyone else on foreign policy. Sanders will need to run for cover. It is his a serious weakness.

BOTTOM LINE FOR ME
This is likely to be boring unless you are a a political junkie. However, my feeling is that the 2016 election may very well be a lot about foreign policy and military policy. If the 2016 candidates are relatively close on the issues, then this won't be crucial. However, the foreign policy issues and flip flops can be important.

IMHO, Clinton has rightly stepped away from Obama on some issues. She chose well regarding Syria. She chose not so well with regard to TPP (the trade agreement).

 

[Cos-play]

Hillary Clinton will slam Sanders on his stand on guns. Sanders will refuse to hit back because he never goes negative but defend his gun stand on Vermont being a rural state. Jim Webb with review his plan to "put white men back to work". Chafee with wave his meter stick at everyone and talk about converting Football the the metric system.

O'Malley with put several liberal policy points on the table for discussion and the other 4 will look over at him and wonder who the heck he is and why he's on the stage.

At some point Donald Trump will stand up in the audience, call Hillary and "quite a gal" and claim that running a private e-mail server was his idea and Hillary stole it and then implemented it wrong. He will then claim credit for inventing the metric system and and say that Sanders is good friend of his who he talks to almost everyday and that while Sanders a "Typical East Coast liberal Jew he MY kind of East Coast Establish Jew."

At this point I expect someone to start shooting but only about 3 shots get snapped off before a suicide bomber takes out himself, the guy with the gun, and part of the CNN crew.

The NRA will tweet that while they don't condone suicide bombing its does prove that good guys with bombs are the best deterrent to bad guys with guns. They will also say the it's too close to the event to talk about stopping suicide bombing and to talk about it now would be politicizing the subject of bombing generally.

They will start lobbying Congress to make the wearing of a dynamite vest without a license a nation sacrament.

Outside the Las Vegas police will be indiscriminately and for apparently no reason yelling "Stop Resisting" to passerby. They will tase about 6 of them.

5 members of the Clark county sheriff's department will shot an 8 year old 14 times for holding a Popsicle stick in a menacing way.

All charges against everyone involved in all the these events with be dropped.

Tomorrow morning overnight polls with put Trump up by 15 points in over Hilliary for the GOP nomination. Gallop polling will be unable to explain why they put Hillary in the GOP nomination poll but Ben Carson will complain that he should have been on stage because he's polling higher the O'Malley.

Fox news will ignore all this. They lead with a article on how the House GOP caucus being unable to elect a leader is actually Hilliary's fault and a result of Bengazi

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I didn't see it, but what is it that they could have debated when they all think exactly the same way on all the issues? There's zero tolerance for any diversity of opinions in the Democrat party.

 

[Fantine]

Watching an hour later...looking at the 3 secondary candidates, O'Malley is the most attractive and personable. Chafee made a huge flub that might do him in.

It is so inspiring to see an elder statesman like Bernie Sanders inspire and invigorate voters with his energy, passion, and enthusiasm. The success of Donald Trump, Dr. Ben Carson, and Carly Fiorina in the Republican polls shows that many people are so disgusted with politicians they would vote for a narcissist, a physician ignorant of every issue outside of his specialty, or a vulture capitalist who destroyed the company she led and walked away with $100 million.

They should be inspired by Sanders, who is his own man, letting the chips fall where they may.

If the choice is a vulture capitalist, doctor/dummy, or narcissist v.s. a man of integrity, is that even a contest?

That being said, I think Hillary is aquitting herself well and believe she will get stronger and stronger, thanks to Kevin McCarthy's letting the public in on the House committee's nefarious intentions.

 

[mark46]

I see Webb and Chafee being out by the time the next debate comes around. O'Malley could stay around for one more. The key thing for me is that Biden has exactly ZERO reason to run. He has no reason to believe that he could cut into the votes of either Clinton or Sanders.

Both Clinton and Sanders had good nights.

Sanders has an OK record on voting for military actions. One of his problems is to get folks to view him as a Commander In Chief, leading in the Situation Room at the time of crisis. Also, he will need to have many new voters show up at the polls, which is certainly possible. In any case, Sanders will be in it through the six Democratic debates, even if the Clinton campaign has to pay for his expenses. This is really good publicity for Clinton.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I think it's nothing more than a glorified popularity contest.

 

[LoAmmi]

I didn't see it, but what is it that they could have debated when they all think exactly the same way on all the issues? There's zero tolerance for any diversity of opinions in the Democrat party.

I've heard Democrats say the same thing about the Republicans and how the Tea Party Republicans have been casting out those who don't agree with them. I think there might just be a really strong bias at work here.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I've heard Democrats say the same thing about the Republicans and how the Tea Party Republicans have been casting out those who don't agree with them. I think there might just be a really strong bias at work here.

You have a point. It is very polarized on both sides. And you're right that I have a strong bias against the Democrat's party. I admit it. But it's still true that these candidates, with the token exception of Jim Webb, are all the same.

 

[LoAmmi]

You have a point. It is very polarized on both sides. And you're right that I have a strong bias against the Democrat party. I admit it. But it's still true that these candidates, with the token exception of Jim Webb, are all the same.

Well, of course they are. In order to get high enough in a political party to get into these things, you have to conform. Someone might point to Trump, but I'm waiting for some of the smaller candidates to drop out and start endorsing people not named Trump so that he is eventually expelled.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Watching an hour later...looking at the 3 secondary candidates, O'Malley is the most attractive and personable. Chafee made a huge flub that might do him in.

It is so inspiring to see an elder statesman like Bernie Sanders inspire and invigorate voters with his energy, passion, and enthusiasm. The success of Donald Trump, Dr. Ben Carson, and Carly Fiorina in the Republican polls shows that many people are so disgusted with politicians they would vote for a narcissist, a physician ignorant of every issue outside of his specialty, or a vulture capitalist who destroyed the company she led and walked away with $100 million.

They should be inspired by Sanders, who is his own man, letting the chips fall where they may.

If the choice is a vulture capitalist, doctor/dummy, or narcissist v.s. a man of integrity, is that even a contest?

That being said, I think Hillary is aquitting herself well and believe she will get stronger and stronger, thanks to Kevin McCarthy's letting the public in on the House committee's nefarious intentions.

I think it's interesting that you jump right to name calling. Usually when people do that, they've run out of real arguments and are afraid.

Also: "destroyed the company"? Did HP go belly up and I missed it? Or is this just more lies from the left?

 

[Cos-play]

I didn't see it, but what is it that they could have debated when they all think exactly the same way on all the issues? There's zero tolerance for any diversity of opinions in the Democrat party.

You didn't see it because at the time of your post it hadn't taken place yet. Which I'm sure was beside the point of your point.

And let's talk about the diversity of the Repubs:

They have in no particular order:

• The village idiot's brother. (and who know George was the smart one?)

• A crazy, stoned looking brain surgeon

• A Canadian

• A pathological liar

• A former TV Evangelist with who can't seem to stop insulting Asians (Especially Koreans evidently), blacks and Hispanics and women

• A Hindi Indian named "Piyush" who goes by "Bobby" and passes himself of asf a Christian to look more of what a Republican voter thinks a American looks like.

• Paul Rand (you don't actually have to say anything more than that)

• A Florida Congressman climate denier whose district is literally sinking into the Gulf of Mexico due to climate change.

• Rich Sanatorium (see Paul Rand above)

• A Carnival Barker ( which is appropriate for this freak show )

and

• an East Coast Gangster.

But at least, you know, you've got a diverse bunch acting out this piece of performance art euphemistically referred to as the GOP primary.




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[LivingWordUnity]

"In our own century too the Magisterium has revisited the theme on a number of occasions, warning against the lure of rationalism. Here the pronouncements of Pope Saint Pius X are pertinent, stressing as they did that at the basis of Modernism were philosophical claims which were phenomenist, agnostic and immanentist. Nor can the importance of the Catholic rejection of Marxist philosophy and atheistic Communism be forgotten." - St. John Paul II, Fides et Ratio (1998)

Edit:

I posted this quote because one of the candidates, Bernie Sanders, is openly a socialist.
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[Tallguy88]

• A Hindi Indian named "Piyush" who goes by "Bobby" and passes himself of asf a Christian to look more of what a Republican voter thinks a American looks like.

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Jindal is a devout Catholic from what I've been able to find, and well before running for national office. I believe it's out of line for you to question the sincerity of his faith, especially when it has no bearing on the issues.

Fyi, I'm not a Jindal supporter, I'm with Hillary or Bernie. But that was just too low a blow to leave unchallenged.

 

[Tallguy88]

"In our own century too the Magisterium has revisited the theme on a number of occasions, warning against the lure of rationalism. Here the pronouncements of Pope Saint Pius X are pertinent, stressing as they did that at the basis of Modernism were philosophical claims which were phenomenist, agnostic and immanentist. Nor can the importance of the Catholic rejection of Marxist philosophy and atheistic Communism be forgotten." - St. John Paul II, Fides et Ratio (1998)

Off topic?

 

[Tallguy88]

I didn't see the debate because I don't get CNN. I watched some clips of it on FB. Seemed like a very civil discussion, not a lot of personal jabs.

 

[mark46]

I didn't see the debate because I don't get CNN. I watched some clips of it on FB. Seemed like a very civil discussion, not a lot of personal jabs.

I was under the impression that cnn.com streamed all the debates over the internet.

 

[Tallguy88]

I was under the impression that cnn.com streamed all the debates over the internet.

Maybe. But I didn't think to check

 

[mark46]

I didn't see the debate because I don't get CNN. I watched some clips of it on FB. Seemed like a very civil discussion, not a lot of personal jabs.

There were no personal jabs.

 

[KWCrazy]

There is nothing satanic about wanting to help others and I can find lots wrong in BOTH parties!

Liberals don't want to help others. They want to confiscate wealth and use it to buy votes to increase their power base. They don't need higher taxes to help the poor. They can simply write a check. Of course, the best thing you can give a poor person is a job and a way to get ahead in life, but that doesn't fit the agenda of keeping a permanent underclass or people dependent on government.

 

[mark46]

Jindal is a devout Catholic from what I've been able to find, and well before running for national office. I believe it's out of line for you to question the sincerity of his faith, especially when it has no bearing on the issues.

Fyi, I'm not a Jindal supporter, I'm with Hillary or Bernie. But that was just too low a blow to leave unchallenged.

Yes, this is out of line, in the same way as calling Obama a Muslim. There are many devout Catholics in government. Many are running for president. Doubting another's faith seems to be inclination that folks here cannot resist.