Defunding Planned Parenthood

[ChiefOfBackEnd]

"...This is not about politics. This is not about Republicans or Democrats. This is about basic humanity and human dignity. We cannot with one breath argue that an unborn life is “simply tissue,” and with the next breath transfer that tissue as human organs for research."

I realize there's no point in trying to argue that PP isn't profiting from the "sale" of human tissue. And, I know there's no point in trying to highlight the absurdity of the OUTRAGE and indignation over PP when most of what they do is provide healthcare for women that couldn't otherwise afford it (and provide birth control - which lowers the number of women who want abortions). So, I'm not even going to try.

I'm more curious why Christians like to call themselves, "pro life", when it comes to abortion, but they don't seem to care at all about babies once they're born.

I mean, if you were to group all the "pro life" people together; and then, group all the people fighting to increase welfare for poor children (ie, free and reduced lunch, health insurance for children, etc...), I'd be willing to bet there's no overlap between those two groups.

Why is that? Why are you so concerned with what Planned Parenthood is doing, but don't seem as exercised about helping kids once they are actually born?

 

[Armoured]

So, who's going to provide the non-abortion services PP provides if y'all get your wish of a defunded planned parenthood?

You'll note this question was never answered.

 

[brewmama]

You'll note this question was never answered.

All the clinics that will get the money instead, that don't do abortions.

 

[chandraclaws]

Yes, there are plenty of people and companies who have been funding them. But the criminal side of the PP enterprise is just now coming to light.
So the new revelations which have been made public might throw a political monkey wrench into the coffers, which heretofore were overflowing.

Before now PP was eagerly trumpeting how much help they were giving to young pregnant women.
But now that both sides of their enterprise have been revealed-- especially how their company has been profiting
from the re-sale of human parts that were previously described as 'just tissue'-- it is easy to see exactly why they have been
so vigorously fighting ultra sounds and parental notification issues.

It's not about helping the young women any more.
now it's about protecting the profit that they stand to loose if the word gets out
that they are also in the business of harvesting and selling human organs.

I haven't seen any numbers yet on how much money has been 'earned' by re-selling human organs,
but if that figure ever does come to light, it might be a real barn burner for PP.

PP isn't the first company to have been caught skimming the profits off a legitimate business.
The history of many legislators and owners of previous companies who have tried the same thing--
from the Teapot Dome scandal right down to businesses who profited during Hurricane Katrina
and the Gulf War--have not been favorable to say the least.

Have you watched the entire 3 hour videorecording, or just the coerced and spliced snippet? I don't like abortion either, but making uninformed accusations just leads to loss of credibility.

 

[Armoured]

All the clinics that will get the money instead, that don't do abortions.

Such as...?

Have any in mind, or is this one of those "well let's worry about that later" ideas?

 

[ebia]

All the clinics that will get the money instead, that don't do abortions.

That would have looked a lot more reasonable if the proposal had been framed as "let's transfer this work and funding to these other organisations over this timeframe" instead of "let's defund PP".

 

[rubyinprogress]

Has it been shown that the money is more than covering storage and transport costs?


Profit for whom?
If they are a non-profit, then there is no profit. Any money is recycled into services.

Just because they are "non-profit" doesn't mean no one is profiting. They had over $145 million in "management and general" expenses according to their 2013-2014 annual report. Considering all their "program expenses" combined are $957 million that's a sizable chunk. Take a look at what they consider "domestic programs". A lot of it is PR stuff. They spend nearly $20 million more on "fundraising" than they do on sex education. And what does "engage communities" "build advocacy capacity" "renew leadership" and "refresh our brand" mean? Because the total expenses on those categories is over $44 million...about the same as sex education.
http://issuu.com/actionfund/docs/annual_report_final_proof_12.16.14_/0

 

[brewmama]

They did not defund PP, and they never will. Shame on all of you "good Christians" for hating women. Go do something productive and by that I DON'T mean pray.

Why are you here? Do you know where you are?

 

[brewmama]

That would have looked a lot more reasonable if the proposal had been framed as "let's transfer this work and funding to these other organisations over this timeframe" instead of "let's defund PP".

That's always how I've heard it would work. Perhaps you should look at who frames your news.

 

[Rhamiel]

On what charge?

what should the people at PP be charged with? crimes against humanity

There seems to be a cult of narcissism about pregnancy with many young women.

did you not recently talk about not judging women?
like when someone said abortions were mainly motivated by greed you said how we should not judge people....
and then you just call women who post pics of their bare pregnant bellies on Facebook as contributing to a "cult of narcissism"
so women who murder their own children.... lets not judge them...
but women who are showing their bellies? oh well that is a cult of narcissism....

It's not like Planned Parenthood is encouraging abortions for the sake of research. In fact abortion is always the LAST option and the women are counseled with that in mind

this is only antidotal, but I know atleast 3 young mothers who went to Planned Parenthood to see if they could get cheap prenatal vitamins, and all of them were pushed to get abortions.....

I'm more curious why Christians like to call themselves, "pro life", when it comes to abortion, but they don't seem to care at all about babies once they're born.

if we did not care about born people... then why did we make so many
hospitals
schools (every thing from day-care through universities)
soup kitchens
battered women shelters
12 step drug rehab programs
marital counseling
prison ministries
hospice care
orphanages
relief services for natural disasters

 

[Rhamiel]

Implanon for every 16 year old girl and ongoing until one opts out would eliminate popular need for abortion over night. Goodluck getting so called "right to lifers" to support that idea, too.

that is so messed up on so many levels

Maybe if you don't want to stop abortion, sure.

I want to stop abortion
but I do not want to encourage something evil to get it done

like, I see homelessness as a serious problem...
BUT
I do not want to murder all the homeless people...
while that WOULD deal with the problem of homelessness
it would also be evil and horrible and I do not want to be part of it

 

[Armoured]

I want to stop abortion
but I do not want to encourage something evil to get it done

like, I see homelessness as a serious problem...
BUT
I do not want to murder all the homeless people...
while that WOULD deal with the problem of homelessness
it would also be evil and horrible and I do not want to be part of it

Right. Because dispensing medication is totally comparable to murdering people.

 

[grandvizier1006]

It doesn't matter in the end, of course, PP will still be funded. I really wish that they would just not use a loophole to sell baby organs. given the way liberals like to legalize everything, I'm surprised that organ harvesting and selling isn't legal yet. The same arguments made about marabou an can be used...as long as it's not harming anyone, like taking out a heart or a lung. Something like a gall ladder or a kidney. Better yet, just generate some artificial organs with tissue. That's a thing now. I hope those can get used instead of the ones harvested from babies killed by PP, but I'm sure it won't die to the nature of the research the organs are needed for.

 

[Rhamiel]

Right. Because dispensing medication is totally comparable to murdering people.

murder and contraception are both moral evils and if done with full knowledge and freedom then they are mortal sins that will condemn a soul to hell for all eternity

so yes, they can be compared to one another
though murder is much more evil
it is a difference of degree, not of kind

 

[brewmama]

Such as...?

Have any in mind, or is this one of those "well let's worry about that later" ideas?

"Defunding Planned Parenthood would free up over half a billion dollars a year that could go to a myriad of health-care service providers that provide a broader range of health services than Planned Parenthood ever has."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/42178/planned-parenthood-womens-health

 

[Aslan777]

Is it 3000 babies a day dying?

That number is staggering... It's just... We lost one male lion and people are calling for someones head. We KILL up to 3000 human beings a day and it's business as usual. Come, Lord Jesus.

 

[As I was saying]

Can't 'we'? Why not?

With all the grace I can muster, if you need an answer to that question, you need to sit down and have a long talk to yourself.

 

[As I was saying]

So, who's going to provide the non-abortion services PP provides if y'all get your wish of a defunded planned parenthood?

Oh dear oh dear. The questions get more stupid by the minute.

 

[As I was saying]

What non abortion services do they provide?

As I understand it, a few things that gives them the temerity to say we are a family planning clinic, not a place where we murder babies wholesale.

 

[frenchdefense]

That number is staggering... It's just... We lost one male lion and people are calling for someones head. We KILL up to 3000 human beings a day and it's business as usual. Come, Lord Jesus.

Please allow me to explain ...