Defining sola scriptura.

[ThatTrueLight]

Do some men actually believe that they know all there is to know in the scriptures? That it's all according to what their feeble mind may think or believe?

I'm not trying to be a pest here, just trying to understand what makes some men think that the men in their assembly have it all figured out?

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Lord Jesus Christ promised the Holy Spirit to lead the faithful into all truth.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

The Lord Jesus Christ promised the Holy Spirit to lead the faithful into all truth.

Are you suggesting that only the men in your assembly are faithful?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Are you suggesting that only the men in your assembly are faithful?

I say that they are faithful, as for others who can say?

 

[ThatTrueLight]

I say that they are faithful, as for others who can say?

I know many faithful men too, I said it.

How's that different than what you know?

 

[MoreCoffee]

I know many faithful men too, I said it.

How's that different than what you know?

The saints to which I referred are fathers of the church. I do not know the men that you know so I cannot say anything of them.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

The saints to which I referred are fathers of the church. I do not know the men that you know so I cannot say anything of them.

The men I know are members of the body of Christ, they love the Lord Jesus Christ and speak of Him all the time.

Do you actually believe that the men in your assembly have exclusive rights to the body of Christ and His living and powerful word?

 

[ThatTrueLight]

THAT is what I sincerely don't get.

How anyone can think like that, that they exclusively know the scriptures and that there are no other believers except the men in their own assembly?

I guess I'll pass. I don't think that this will ever be answered here.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The men I know are members of the body of Christ, they love the Lord Jesus Christ and speak of Him all the time.

Do you actually believe that the men in your assembly have exclusive rights to the body of Christ and His living and powerful word?

THAT is what I sincerely don't get.

How anyone can think like that, that they exclusively know the scriptures and that there are no other believers except the men in their own assembly?

I guess I'll pass. I don't think that this will ever be answered here.

I do not know the men that you do so you can speak of them while I cannot.

As for holy scripture and holy tradition it is God who speak for these things; he speaks by his Spirit in the hearts and minds of the faithful.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

I do not know the men that you do so you can speak of them while I cannot.

And the last thing in the world that I would think is that the men in my assembly are somehow above the men in yours.

Where's that come from?

As doe holy scripture and holy tradition it is God who speak for these things; he speaks by his Spirit in the hearts and minds of the faithful.

So who are the faithful in your mind? The men in the RCC alone?

 

[MoreCoffee]

And the last thing in the world that I would think is that the men in my assembly are somehow above the men in yours.

Where's that come from?

So who are the faithful in your mind? The men in the RCC alone?

I know that the church fathers are holy men, that is all I say.

 

[abacabb3]

I know that the church fathers are holy men, that is all I say.

You don't agree with the church fathers on all points, even when they were in universal agreement on matters. What's the present day teaching of the Catholic Church on head coverings, even though the Scripture is explicit and same with tradition, up until a little more than 50 years ago?

The RCC, as with everyone, has realistically forfeited any claim to preserve all the early church's teachings. I can name more. I'm just starting with a simple one.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

I know that the church fathers are holy men, that is all I say.

And how might you know this?

What standard for holiness do you apply here?

 

[MoreCoffee]

You don't agree with the church fathers on all points, even when they were in universal agreement on matters. What's the present day teaching of the Catholic Church on head coverings, even though the Scripture is explicit and same with tradition, up until a little more than 50 years ago?

The RCC, as with everyone, has realistically forfeited any claim to preserve all the early church's teachings. I can name more. I'm just starting with a simple one.

Whose head coverings?

And how might you know this?

What standard for holiness do you apply here?

The one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church tells me and I believe her testimony about them.

 

[abacabb3]

Whose head coverings?

Women's specifically (tradition speaks more of this then men not covering their heads...)

 

[MoreCoffee]

Women's specifically (tradition speaks more of this than men not covering their heads...)

What's the tradition?

 

[abacabb3]

What's the tradition?

The Early Church Fathers taught this, in accordance with Apostolic tradition:

Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces his head. But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved.

(1 Cor 11:2-5).

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Early Church Fathers taught this, in accordance with Apostolic tradition:
Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces his head. But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. (1 Cor 11:2-5).

Are you married? I am not a woman myself, so this passage seems to be addressed to somebody who is a woman. By the way, it is holy scripture, isn't it?

 

[abacabb3]

Are you married? I am not a woman myself, so this passage seems to be addressed to somebody who is a woman. By the way, it is holy scripture, isn't it?

1. Married
2. Paul calls it tradition, this one happens to be also recorded in the Scripture
3. Catholic women do not keep their heads covered in accordance with tradition, even though if is unanimous in the church for almost 1900 years.

You do not keep t the traditions of the fathers.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

The one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church tells me and I believe her testimony about them.

Are you aware that the Church of God is the body of Christ and that it consists of people who have trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins?

It has nothing to do with large Cathedrals or anything like that.

Just wanted to point this out, because obviously His body is in no way restricted the people in the RCC.

If people actually believe that, then they simply do not understand what the body of Christ actually is.