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Albion, the Holy Bible does not explain ALL about Jesus and His Christian Faith, as per Bible.
The Holy Bible tells us that it is incomplete, so, sola Scriptura is incomplete.
Josiah said:barryatlake said:The Holy Bible tells us that it is incomplete
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Totally off topic, but I'll bite: Please quote the verse that states, "The Holy Bible is Incomplete" - I'd especially like to see the specific quote that indicates the Bible is MISSING specific dogmas we are mandated to believe, please quote such verse(s) verbatim.
Of course, the embraced RULE is only one part of norming - a point that Protestants have brought up over and over and over, for years - ALWAYS ignored by Catholics and Mormons (and mentioned again in Post # 11). But just because it's only one part does not mean that part is "wrong, terrible, unbiblical, satanic, new, divisive" and all the other things Catholics insist it is - while equally insisting they don't know what "it" is that they insist is all those things.
Look... we ALL KNOW that Catholics must protest this practice.... and we ALL KNOW why (interesting, no one Catholic has disagreed with that part of post #11 - not in the nearly 10 years that I've been sharing that). But it's silly to say you don't know what it is - only that whatever it is, it's just gotta be BAD, HORRIBLE, TERRIBLE, Divisive, unbiblical, new, something Lutherans invented but don't have a clue what it is they invented. And it's silly to say there are other things involved in norming when no one disagrees with that. And just MADDENING to have the constant, persistent, endless diversions, evasions, hijacking - the "shell game" as it is sometimes called in debate. WE KNOW you MUST protest this practice.... and we ALL KNOW WHY..... but come on, all these absurd games and evasions and denials - it's just nuts. It gets even crazier as Catholics ridicule their own denomination in an attempt to mock their own invented strawman here....
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the bible tells us that it does not contain all that Jesus revealed to His Apostles.
Nowhere does the Bible tell us that somebody was saved by the "Bible Alone Method"
I have heard the RCs use this passage in John 21 for that......Totally off topic, but I'll bite: Please quote the verse that states, "The Holy Bible is Incomplete" -
I'd especially like to see the specific quote that indicates the Bible is MISSING specific dogmas we are mandated to believe, please quote such verse(s) verbatim............................
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I have heard the RCs use this passage in John 21 for that......
John 21:
24 This is the disciple who is testifying to these things and wrote these things, and we know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written.
Josiah said:barryatlake said:The Holy Bible tells us that it is incomplete.
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Totally off topic, but I'll bite: Please quote the verse that states, "The Holy Bible is Incomplete" -
I'd especially like to see the specific quote that indicates the Bible is MISSING specific dogmas we are mandated to believe, please quote such verse(s) verbatim............................
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John 29: 30 KJV
Matt.18:15-18
Why not the magic 8-ball instead? It's easier to use and gives out with fewer conflicting replies.
That would be the view of most Christians. But we do know that certain denominations, including the Mormons, Roman Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, and some others that are very well-known, do think that theirs is the only one that God cares about.
That's considered so eccentric and, frankly, absurd by members of the thousands of other denominations that it usually just rolls off their backs when it's said to them, and they don't even bother to consider it an insult, even though it is intended as such.
John 20:30 tells us not all is written down that Jesus taught His apostles
The church does indeed have a specific commitment to the principle we've been discussing--that Scripture contains all that is necessary to salvation, is the ultimate authority for doctrine, and that nothing should be demanded of the people that is not required by Scripture.How does your denomination define its doctrine of scripture and does it have a specific section or sections that tell you that scripture alone is the only infallible rule of faith by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest is the Holy Spirit speaking in the holy scriptures?
Yes, I can do all of that. However, you can easily do so yourself if you are interested, and if you run into any problems when you do that, I'll be happy to try to help you with them.If so can you quote from the official doctrinal standard, show what passages of holy scripture are used to support its declaration on this subject, and explain its meaning in your own words, please?
Denominations are an abiblical concept. I'm surprised a sola scripturist would even use the word.
Why though? So they can pretend that they are the only people that the LORD does care about?
I just don't get the thinking here.
While I might agree with your statement, I don't know where it is in Scripture. It's a doctrine, though.
That's a problem with Protestants...they can't imagine a lot of things.
Yes, we know everything that's essential. WE WIN.
Some people need the reassurance that they have signed on to something bigger than themselves that has all the answers and cannot be second-guessed. It absolves them of intellectual struggle. You'll notice posts that do not actually elaborate on anything or answer any question directly but, rather, just state their church's position as though that's explaining anything to the reader.
These people are often insecure when dealing with issues and ideas that are not black and white. Alas, much in life is NOT black and white, not even when it comes to religion.
Then too, some people like to feel pride of ownership, that "my team is better than your team." Racial superiority, ethnic snobbery, old beats young or young is better than old, etc. are all versions of this very human failing. They're doing the same thing with religion, except trying to justify it by a misuse of the Bible or, in some cases, something that is said by them to be better than the Bible--and only used by their variety of religion, of course.
Josiah said:barryatlake said:Josiah said:barryatlake said:
The Holy Bible tells us that it is incomplete.
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Totally off topic, but I'll bite: Please quote the verse that states, "The Holy Bible is Incomplete" -
I'd especially like to see the specific quote that indicates the Bible is MISSING specific dogmas we are mandated to believe, please quote such verse(s) verbatim............................
.John 29: 30 KJV
No such verse exists.
Just quote the following words (it would be helpful if you would please embolden and underline the words so that none misses them, "The Holy Bible is incomplete" and "The Holy Bible is missing essential dogmas all must believe"
Make sure it's a verse that actually exists rather than a phantom, please.
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John 20:30 tells us not all is written down that Jesus taught His apostles
You didn't quote it at all. But please do, then underline and embolden these words in it, "The Holy Bible is incomplete" and "The Holy Bible is missing essential dogma all must believe." "The Holy Bible is missing all the dogmas Jesus told to the Apostles."KJV, also you misquoted Matt.18:15-18
Read post # 11.Why can't you answer the question asked by MoreCoffee ? Defining sola scriptura
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