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The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Humility and Obedience (following the example of Christ) is what is needed.
Josiah said:Read post #11.
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If what you say is true, then we have no dispute. Everything is hunky dory.
Then he rejected accoutability, responsibility and norming (thus Sola Scriptura) It sounds like he might have been Catholic, docilicly submitting to the RC Denomination itself as unto God Himself, docilicly embracing whatever the RC Denomination itself individually and currently is saying because it itself individually and currently is and because it itself individually tells him to do that. All in lieu of, in place of, in stead of accountability and thus norming and thus Sola Scriptura.Jerome understood this, and obeyed his Church
I wish Catholics would study history..... Luther was excommunicated by the individual RC Denomination. He didn't excommunicate himself.Martin Luther broke away from it. There's the real difference.
But yes, Luther embraced the concept of truth - and this put him in conflict with the foundation of the singular, individual RC Denomination.
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I think that obedience is the hardest thing for Americans because show how sub consciously we Americans think of obedience as anti freedom so Sola Scriptura abounds so that one only needs to obey oneselfThe road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Humility and Obedience (following the example of Christ) is what is needed.
I think that obedience is the hardest thing for Americans because show how sub consciously we Americans think of obedience as anti freedom so Sola Scriptura abounds so that one only needs to obey oneself
I think that obedience is the hardest thing for Americans because show how sub consciously we Americans think of obedience as anti freedom so Sola Scriptura abounds so that one only needs to obey oneself
Why does the RCC so passionately protest and reject this practice?
The RC Denomination rejects the Rule of Scripture in norming not because it rejects Scripture or has an alternative rule that is MORE inerrant, MORE the inscripturated words of God, MORE reliable, MORE objectively knowable, MORE unalterable, MORE ecumenically embraced as authoriative, MORE above and beyond and outside all disputing parties. Rather the rejection is because the protestor rejects accountability (and thus norming and any norm in such) in the sole, singular, exclusive, particular, unique, individual case of it itself alone, uniquely, individually.
From The Handbook of the Catholic Faith (page 151), "When the Catholic is asked for the substantiation for his belief, the correct answer is: From the teaching authority. This authority consists of the bishops of The Catholic Church in connection with the Pope in Rome. The faithful are thus freed from the typically Protestant question of 'is it true' and instead rests in quiet confidence that whatever the Catholic Church teaches is the teaching of Jesus Himself since Jesus said, 'whoever hears you hears me'." The Catholic Church itself says in the Catechism of itself (#87): Mindful of Christ's words to his apostles: “He who hears you, hears me”, the faithful receive with docility the teachings and directives that their pastors give them in different forms."
Since it itself declares that it itself exclusively, individually is unaccountable and that whatever it itself uniquely, individually, currently says is just to be swallowed whole because it itself alone says it and it itself alone tells all to do that in total submission to it itself as unto God Himself, then the entire issue of norming (and the embraced norma normans in such) becomes entirely irrelevant (for itself uniquely). The issue has been changed from truth to the enormous, unmitigated POWER that it itself claims for it itself uniquely that calls on all to just obey, submit, swallow.
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Every time you post, you prove your willing ignorance of sola scriptura...how many times can you be corrected before you admit your error?
Do we really need to continually list what Sola Scriptura is NOT? Sola Scriptura is not you and your bible under a tree. Now, provide the instances CaliforniaJosiah has asked for or stop with misrepresentations.
I remember you. You're the guy who said that the Catholic Church holds "Tradition" higher than the bible, even though no Catholic here has said any such thing....
Assuming you do not intend to discourage reading the bible and personally seeking to understand God given words, I can only assume you mean to implicitly assert that the Holy Spirit keeps a safe distance from me in order that I may not understand them.
Excuse me, but the church indeed DOES. And most of the Catholics here HAVE agreed to it--with the notable exception of times when it's been put directly to them ("Do you think the Bible is less authoritative than tradition?" etc.)
Nonsense. Please underline, bold or otherwise highlight anywhere a Catholic has said the Church holds 'Tradition' higher than scripture. Then please underline, bold or otherwise highlight anywhere a Catholic document says the same.
Oh. We would not want to do that. But the definition of Sola Scriptura has been given twenty times here and explained in every way possible, so when someone who's been following along and participating in the thread begins posts with a false definition of it or continues to say he doesn't understand it, along with using a mocking term like "Sola Scripturists," and additionally calls himself a believer in Sola Scriptura in the process, there is bound to be some confusion.There seems to be a tendency among sola scripturists to misinterpret my motives. Why is this so?
For one thing, the Bible is considered only to be part of Tradition along with opinion, custom, legend, magisterium, and more. So if it is only of value as part OF Tradition, it's undeniable that Tradition holds precedence. Tradition says it all and incorporates all that determines doctrine for the RCC.
In addition, we've all read innumerable explanations from members of the church here on CF, saying that their church believes that "anything goes" so long as it is not in open conflict with the Bible. That again means a placing of Scripture into a position of being significant ONLY as it relates to Tradition.
Yup, I thought so. Instead of bolding, underlining or otherwise highlighting where a Catholic or the Church has said such a thing, all I get is a personal opinion.
Excuse me, but the church indeed DOES. And most of the Catholics here HAVE agreed to it--with the notable exception of times when it's been put directly to them ("Do you think the Bible is less authoritative than tradition?" etc.)
Well, not exactly. If what you say is true, and what we do is the same as what you say, then there's no issue, and the Church has no issue with it. But what the Church sees in what you believe is a whole 'nother story.I'm glad YOU have no problem with it, but of course, your denomination passionately protests this practice; indeed you cannot be a Catholic and have no dispute with Sola Scriptura. As you read in post #11 and evidently agree with.
The Church doesnt excommunicate anyone, just as the Church doesn't send people to hell.Then he rejected accoutability, responsibility and norming (thus Sola Scriptura) It sounds like he might have been Catholic, docilicly submitting to the RC Denomination itself as unto God Himself, docilicly embracing whatever the RC Denomination itself individually and currently is saying because it itself individually and currently is and because it itself individually tells him to do that. All in lieu of, in place of, in stead of accountability and thus norming and thus Sola Scriptura.
I wish Catholics would study history..... Luther was excommunicated by the individual RC Denomination. He didn't excommunicate himself.
What he didn't embrace was the concept of his vow of obedience.But yes, Luther embraced the concept of truth - and this put him in conflict with the foundation of the singular, individual RC Denomination.
Consider post # 11 that you say you have no problem with, the section "Why the RC Denomination So Passionately Protests this Practice?"
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