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I'm participating. I'll keep reminding everyone that the premise is false and that you have not supported it. And I'll Eden address the OP once there's something to address.Feel free to not participate.
I think you will wait for a long time for an answer.
As I read the Bible and as I understand it, the Bible doesn't list any "essential doctrines of Christianity". There is no such thing/claim in the Bible. I may be wrong.
I am still learning, I am not all-knowing.
I have not seen even one link or quote where you've provided any evidence about denominations saying who is in and who is out. Even the Nicene Creed doesn't do that.
I agree with this. I don't see where it says here that those who confess Jesus and believe that He was raised from the dead have to be called Christians.Are all of these considered essential doctrines to Christianity? It looks more like a list of what those who follow the Nicene Creed have chosen to believe. This is still a matter of you pointing to the Nicene Creed and expecting me to interact with it rather than you presenting scripture that supports a definition of what and who is a Christian, or scripture that defines a doctrine that is essential to salvation and the Christian faith.
However, I will take a look at the first verse on the list.
Romans 10: 8-10
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
1) There is nothing here that identifies this as a qualifier for being a Christian.
2) Verse nine does indicate that those who confess Jesus and believe in their hearts that God raised him from the dead will be saved.
This qualifies as an essential doctrine for salvation, but does not identify who is or is not a Christian. I consider that progress.
"Many denominations use a statement of faith or some sort of creed to determine who is and who is not a Christian."You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Here is an excerpt from the Exsurge Dominie issued by Pope Leo X.
Rebuking them, in violation of your teaching, instead of imploring them, he is not ashamed to assail them, to tear at them, and when he despairs of his cause, to stoop to insults. He is like the heretics "whose last defense," as Jerome says, "is to start spewing out a serpent's venom with their tongue when they see that their causes are about to be condemned, and spring to insults when they see they are vanquished." For although you have said that there must be heresies to test the faithful, still they must be destroyed at their very birth by your intercession and help, so they do not grow or wax strong like your wolves. Finally, let the whole church of the saints and the rest of the universal church arise. Some, putting aside her true interpretation of Sacred Scripture, are blinded in mind by the father of lies. Wise in their own eyes, according to the ancient practice of heretics, they interpret these same Scriptures otherwise than the Holy Spirit demands, inspired only by their own sense of ambition, and for the sake of popular acclaim, as the Apostle declares. In fact, they twist and adulterate the Scriptures. As a result, according to Jerome, "It is no longer the Gospel of Christ, but a man's, or what is worse, the devil's."
Why don't you and your cohorts simply declare victory and go home? Meanwhile the rest of us can continue our discussion in peace.I have not seen even one link or quote where you've provided any evidence about denominations saying who is in and who is out. Even the Nicene Creed doesn't do that.
He didn't?Paul didn't mention Trinity.
I'd rather have a discussion. But in order to do so, and to stay on topic as the has repeatedly asked us to do, he needs to support his premise.Why don't you and your cohorts simply declare victory and go home? Meanwhile the rest of us can continue our discussion in peace.
He didn't?
What's this then?
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
Yes, I see what Paul says . I don't see him mention Trinity. What Trinity? What is Trinity according to THESE particular words of Paul?He didn't?
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Are all of these considered essential doctrines to Christianity? It looks more like a list of what those who follow the Nicene Creed have chosen to believe. This is still a matter of you pointing to the Nicene Creed and expecting me to interact with it rather than you presenting scripture that supports a definition of what and who is a Christian, or scripture that defines a doctrine that is essential to salvation and the Christian faith.
However, I will take a look at the first verse on the list.
Romans 10: 8-10
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
1) There is nothing here that identifies this as a qualifier for being a Christian.
2) Verse nine does indicate that those who confess Jesus and believe in their hearts that God raised him from the dead will be saved.
This qualifies as an essential doctrine for salvation, but does not identify who is or is not a Christian. I consider that progress.
No, you show us where does the Bible say that those who are saved are Christians?The portion in red is clearly a qualifier for being a Christian (being saved).
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Are you telling me that "thou shalt be saved" isn't referring to the salvation of believers (Christians)?
I agree with this. I don't see where it says here that those who confess Jesus and believe that He was raised from the dead have to be called Christians. Not a word. Not even a half of the word.
thank you for response. But it was not helpful. The Bible doesn't say to do what you said to do. Sorry. It is all about the Bible in this topic. Not about men's philosophies, not even about bartender's opinions.Write down the word Christian. Beneath it, write: 1. Believers. 2. born again. 3. followers. 4. faithists. 5. Graceists. 6. Confessors. 7. Professors. 8. Saved. 9. Secure. 10. Blessed......
There are many more.
Just don't write Baptist, Methodist, Episcopalen, Catholic, etc......
Then drop in at your favorite Pub, ask the bartender the question: "What is a Christian?"
"In the wee small hours of the morning,
while the whole wide world is fast asleep,
you sit alone, thinking about............"
No, you show us where does the Bible say that those who are saved are Christians?
It doesn't matter. This OP is not about my believes on salvationWhat does the word "saved" mean to you.
Hmm. Why don't you help me to answer this question by quoting the Bible?Who is it referring to?
No, you show us where does the Bible say that those who are saved are Christians?
There are a multitude of things that the Bible does not mention but still exist....so your point is?Where did Paul mention Trinity in this verse?
Yes, I see what Paul says . I don't see him mention Trinity. What Trinity? What is Trinity according to THESE particular words of Paul?
"Many denominations use a statement of faith or some sort of creed to determine who is and who is not a Christian."
Is this your example of a statement of faith from a denomination? And does this count as many?
Perhaps I missed it, but which one was a denomination that stated who is and isn't a Christian?
I have not seen even one link or quote where you've provided any evidence about denominations saying who is in and who is out. Even the Nicene Creed doesn't do that.
He didn't?
What's this then?
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Off topic. Please take this to another thread.
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