"Defending the Indefensible"

[redleghunter]

Right. The Free Beacon had no direct connection to Steele. They hired Fusion GPS to do opposition research but then dropped the project. The DNC also hired Fusion GPS and also dropped the project before the dossier was complete. The assertion that Fusion GPS did no research for Free Beacon and didn't actually start until after being hired by the DNC is less well supported. But in any case, the path the document took did not pass through the DNC.

It was just paid for by the DNC and HRC campaigns. How it 'got into' the hands of the intelligence agencies and FBI is what is being investigated.

 

[redleghunter]

I noticed that Obama took over in the midst of a financial meltdown.

Yes but no political party had their hands clean, to include the Democrats in the housing crisis. It was the federal government's practice of giving expensive loans to those who could not afford them creating the 'bad paper' John McCain spoke of in campaign 2008.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It was just paid for by the DNC and HRC campaigns. How it 'got into' the hands of the intelligence agencies and FBI is what is being investigated.

And its existence has Donald -- and by extension, his loyal disciples -- frothing at the mouth.

 

[redleghunter]

And its existence has Donald -- and by extension, his loyal disciples -- frothing at the mouth.

"Frothing at the mouth" seems to be a bit much. Let's be civil and fair here. Regardless of political party, no political opposition research should be plopped in front of the FBI and Intelligence agencies without an investigation into the source of the information. Which is why AG Barr called for a review of how the material ended up in federal hands.

 

[redleghunter]

I think I made a statement the DNC did not turn over their hacked servers to the FBI and did not leave a link.

FBI says DNC rebuffed request to examine computer servers - CNNPolitics

 

[childeye 2]

I noticed that Obama used the heavy hand of government to ensure that robust recovery did not happen under his watch.

I noticed some people are truly thankful they have something to eat at the same table where others are complaining that's all there is to eat.

 

[childeye 2]

The existence of the Trump dossier seems to turn this around. Apparently, the compromising information the Russian agents gave to Steele was political party opposition research. It's hard evidence one party tried to use information from foreign sources to sway the election. At the very least, it seems the Trump dossier was a way for some Russian officials offering HRC an olive branch that not all Russians are Vlad.

So given the environment in 2016, we could surmise the Russians were playing each side against each other. A masterful use of political maskirovka. Why handle your enemies directly when they can 'kill' themselves off.

And it worked perfectly. Our government and society is as divided as ever.

True, we "could" surmise that, but I'd rather say "I don't know" when "I don't know". I can appreciate your comment that all Russians are not Vlad. But then you confound that assessment of clarity, by saying they are playing both sides against one another as if all Russians are Vlad. I suspect we will find that the semantics of what is good and bad as pertains to Russians are probably based upon whether a person believes in an Independent Ukraine or not. And by extension, the nuances of degrees that form when one contemplates whether one should turn towards democracy or turn towards autocracy.

 

[TLK Valentine]

"Frothing at the mouth" seems to be a bit much.

"A bit much" has been Donald's signature style from the get-go. Let's not shy away from it once it gets inconvenient.

Let's be civil and fair here. Regardless of political party, no political opposition research should be plopped in front of the FBI and Intelligence agencies without an investigation into the source of the information. Which is why AG Barr called for a review of how the material ended up in federal hands.

And what about Christopher Steele aside from the fact that his work benefits Democrats, needs investigation?

 

[redleghunter]

And what about Christopher Steele aside from the fact that his work benefits Democrats, needs investigation?

How the information was obtained and why it ended up in FBI and intelligence services hands.

 

[bhsmte]

How the information was obtained and why it ended up in FBI and intelligence services hands.

This is being investigated right now. It may turn out, folks in the fbi and or intelligence community, abused their powers during the investigation. We will see what evidence the investigation reveals.

As i have said countless times, this doesnt have to be an either or proposition. Trump could have obstructed, which it looks like he did and the fbi and intelligence community, could also have abused their power.

 

[childeye 2]

Yes but no political party had their hands clean, to include the Democrats in the housing crisis. It was the federal government's practice of giving expensive loans to those who could not afford them creating the 'bad paper' John McCain spoke of in campaign 2008.

The blame can be attributed to many players, homeowners, lenders, world central banks, hedge fund operators, investors, Fed interest rates, credit rating agencies, insurance underwriters, etc...

 

[redleghunter]

The blame can be attributed to many players, homeowners, lenders, world central banks, hedge fund operators, investors, Fed interest rates, credit rating agencies, insurance underwriters, etc...

Freddy and Fanny add to the above.

 

[redleghunter]

I suspect we will find that the semantics of what is good and bad as pertains to Russians are probably based upon whether a person believes in an Independent Ukraine or not.

Among other issues.

 

[childeye 2]

Among other issues.

Thanks for the article. It all fits.
From post #268: "And by extension, the nuances of degrees that form when one contemplates whether one should turn towards democracy or turn towards autocracy."

 

[essentialsaltes]

How it 'got into' the hands of the intelligence agencies and FBI is what is being investigated.

Don't we already know this? John McCain sent it to them.

"The allegations were disturbing, but I had no idea which if any were true," McCain said. "I could not independently verify any of it, and so I did what any American who cares about our nation's security should have done. I put the dossier in my office safe, called the office of the director of the FBI, Jim Comey, and asked for a meeting."

McCain ultimately turned the dossier over to Comey in a meeting on December 9, 2016 that he said lasted about 10 minutes.

 

[childeye 2]

Don't we already know this? John McCain sent it to them.

"The allegations were disturbing, but I had no idea which if any were true," McCain said. "I could not independently verify any of it, and so I did what any American who cares about our nation's security should have done. I put the dossier in my office safe, called the office of the director of the FBI, Jim Comey, and asked for a meeting."

McCain ultimately turned the dossier over to Comey in a meeting on December 9, 2016 that he said lasted about 10 minutes.

How exactly does this prove there were no people who voted for Hillary on the Mueller team?

 

[Speedwell]

How exactly does this prove there were no people who voted for Hillary on the Mueller team?

Why would that be important?

 

[childeye 2]

Why would that be important?

Remember the blue dress? Well that's probably connected to Obama not being born here.

 

[Speedwell]

Remember the blue dress?

You'll have explain what that has to do with the present case. But you seem to be insinuating that anyone on the Mueller team who voted for Hillary could not be trusted to function impartially in his role as an an investigator. Why should I not make the same assumption about those on the team who voted for Trump?

 

[childeye 2]

You'll have explain what that has to do with the present case. But you seem to be insinuating that anyone on the Mueller team who voted for Hillary could not be trusted to function impartially in his role as an an investigator. Why should I not make the same assumption about those on the team who voted for Trump?

Or we could assume I was trying to be funny.