"Defending the Indefensible"

[whatbogsends]

Even with the DNC and HRC campaign bought Trump dossier from the Russians, the election turned out as expected. Hillary was not a very good candidate for POTUS. I think even President Obama realized this.

Again, that is the only evidence we do have of a political party 'colluding' with foreign entities to sway the election...the Trump dossier.

"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing."

Russians hacked DNC servers within 5 hours.

 

[Speedwell]

Even with the DNC and HRC campaign bought Trump dossier from the Russians, the election turned out as expected. Hillary was not a very good candidate for POTUS. I think even President Obama realized this.

Again, that is the only evidence we do have of a political party 'colluding' with foreign entities to sway the election...the Trump dossier.

Which was originally commissioned by a Conservative website, the Washington free Beacon, from Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS subcontracted the investigative work to Steele. When Washington Free Beacon backed out of the deal, Fusion GPS sold the idea to the DNC, but when Trump was elected, they backed out, too, and Fusion GPS paid for the completion of the dossier themselves. In the meantime, Steels also passed the information to US and British intelligence.

 

[redleghunter]

Is the Russian Ambassador (Kislyak) part of the Russian government? Did Sessions meet with Kislyak twice in the timeframe he was asked about? Did Sessions give an unequivocal "No" in his response to having contacts with "any member of the Russian government"?

You mean the difference between a sitting US senator visiting the Russian ambassador and someone discussing campaign strategies? I think Sessions answered this question within the proper context several times.

 

[TLK Valentine]

And if Trump were in any other position besides president, he'd be in jail right now.

Which is why his disciples will fight tooth and nail to keep him as president.

 

[redleghunter]

"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing."

Russians hacked DNC servers within 5 hours.

We would only be able to prove this assertion if the DNC turned their servers over to the FBI. They did not.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You mean the difference between a sitting US senator visiting the Russian ambassador and someone discussing campaign strategies? I think Sessions answered this question within the proper context several times.

Now this, ladies and gentlemen, is defending the indefensible...

 

[redleghunter]

And if Trump were in any other position besides president, he'd be in jail right now.

Hillary Clinton violating US Code on the handling and distribution of classified materials proves this to not be the case.

 

[redleghunter]

Now this, ladies and gentlemen, is defending the indefensible...

It's quite defensible as Sessions did so. Remember back then the definition of "collusion" was any contact with "the Russians." Sessions may have also passed by two Russians playing chess on a walk through the Mall in DC.

 

[redleghunter]

Which was originally commissioned by a Conservative website, the Washington free Beacon, from Fusion GPS.

You may want to revisit that again. The Free Beacon denies the connection to Steele. It was only after the DNC and HRC campaigns entered into agreement with Fusion Steele was hired...to work with his Russian contacts.

Once more, for good measure: Conservatives didn't fund the Steele dossier

 

[NightHawkeye]

Which is why his disciples will fight tooth and nail to keep him as president.

LOL ... have you seen the field of Democrat presidential contenders?

That might be a source of motivation. Just sayin' ...

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Hillary Clinton violating US Code on the handling and distribution of classified materials proves this to not be the case.

I agree they both have gotten away with crimes that would put normal Americans like you and I in the slammer for a long time.

It pays to be wealthy and have friends in high places.

 

[TLK Valentine]

LOL ... have you seen the field of Democrat presidential contenders?

That might be a source of motivation. Just sayin' ...

Yes, yes... but hating the Democrats is what spurred Donald's ascension in the first place...

Now, if the master goes to prison, no more scraps for the puppies...

 

[childeye 2]

Even with the DNC and HRC campaign bought Trump dossier from the Russians, the election turned out as expected. Hillary was not a very good candidate for POTUS. I think even President Obama realized this.

Again, that is the only evidence we do have of a political party 'colluding' with foreign entities to sway the election...the Trump dossier.

To me the dossier by it's self doesn't actually qualify as evidence either way. I study semantics, so to me the intent of framing a narrative of colluding with Russians because Russians were paid by Hillary to get information on Trump, is contradicted by the overall consensus that the Russian GRU wanted Trump to be President, not Hillary.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Yes, yes... but hating the Democrats is what spurred Donald's ascension in the first place...

I wouldn't call it hatred. It's more a lack of any apparent competency. You might have noticed that the economy has done well under Trump but limped along under Obama.

Donald brings business acumen to the job ... and the ability to think 'outside the box' to implement solutions which had evaded politicos for years.

Now, if the master goes to prison, no more scraps for the puppies...

One suspects that if they could "lock him up", they would have already. Keep trying though. I'm sure it must be converting potential voters to vote for the Democrat cause, amiright?

 

[redleghunter]

Yes, yes... but hating the Democrats is what spurred Donald's ascension in the first place...

Now, if the master goes to prison, no more scraps for the puppies...

As I said before, the House has every power and right to issue articles of impeachment no matter the certitude or lack there of the information presented by Mueller.

 

[childeye 2]

I wouldn't call it hatred. It's more a lack of any apparent competency. You might have noticed that the economy has done well under Trump but limped along under Obama.

I noticed that Obama took over in the midst of a financial meltdown.

 

[Speedwell]

You may want to revisit that again. The Free Beacon denies the connection to Steele. It was only after the DNC and HRC campaigns entered into agreement with the Free Beacon that Steele was hired...to work with his Russian contacts.

Once more, for good measure: Conservatives didn't fund the Steele dossier

Right. The Free Beacon had no direct connection to Steele. They hired Fusion GPS to do opposition research but then dropped the project. The DNC also hired Fusion GPS and also dropped the project before the dossier was complete. The assertion that Fusion GPS did no research for Free Beacon and didn't actually start until after being hired by the DNC is less well supported. But in any case, the path the document took did not pass through the DNC.

 

[NightHawkeye]

I noticed that Obama took over in the midst of a financial meltdown.

I noticed that Obama used the heavy hand of government to ensure that robust recovery did not happen under his watch.

 

[redleghunter]

To me the dossier by it's self doesn't actually qualify as evidence either way. I study semantics, so to me the intent of framing a narrative of colluding with Russians because Russians were paid by Hillary to get information on Trump, is contradicted by the overall consensus that the Russian GRU wanted Trump to be President, not Hillary.

The existence of the Trump dossier seems to turn this around. Apparently, the compromising information the Russian agents gave to Steele was political party opposition research. It's hard evidence one party tried to use information from foreign sources to sway the election. At the very least, it seems the Trump dossier was a way for some Russian officials offering HRC an olive branch that not all Russians are Vlad.

So given the environment in 2016, we could surmise the Russians were playing each side against each other. A masterful use of political maskirovka. Why handle your enemies directly when they can 'kill' themselves off.

And it worked perfectly. Our government and society is as divided as ever.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I wouldn't call it hatred. It's more a lack of any apparent competency.

You're being pretty hard on the GOP there... there were plenty of competent alternatives, but they didn't rally the masses the way that Donald did... and what was Donald's gimmick?

You might have noticed that the economy has done well under Trump but limped along under Obama.

Actually I noticed that Obama took us out of the 2008 recession in his first term and lowered the deficit by 11% during his second term.

Donald inherited a booming economy and increased the deficit by 15% in his first 2 1/2 years...

...but I'm sure you remember things differently for a reason.

Donald brings business acumen to the job ... and the ability to think 'outside the box' to implement solutions which had evaded politicos for years.

Did you actually study the man's business history before echoing his sales pitch? The only thing Donald has ever successfully marketed has been his own name.