Discussion Defending self and others.

[Alithis]

Why are you confident of that?

well for one thing .. whenever that topic ( which isn't the actual op topic here) comes up only one or two actually have testimony to share about doing so . ( and i really appreciate those who share it ) you see a christian cannot manufacture testimony and bear false witness of what God told them to do or not do .

so when we defend our own actions based on worldly reasoning and carnal minded thinking and self " rights" .. it become rather obvious the action had nothing to do with the will of the lord but our own will .
and that is a sad thing because we are in the Holy Spirit /charismatic forum, where the underlying theme of what is discussed is living life filled with the Holy Spirit .
to live "in" the spirit of God we are to ever be seeking to lay down our own will in order to do his .

 

[Aldebaran]

well for one thing .. whenever that topic ( which isn't the actual op topic here) comes up only one or two actually have testimony to share about doing so . ( and i really appreciate those who share it ) you see a christian cannot manufacture testimony and bear false witness of what God told them to do or not do .

so when we defend our own actions based on worldly reasoning and carnal minded thinking and self " rights" .. it become rather obvious the action had nothing to do with the will of the lord but our own will .
and that is a sad thing because we are in the Holy Spirit /charismatic forum, where the underlying theme of what is discussed is living life filled with the Holy Spirit .
to live "in" the spirit of God we are to ever be seeking to lay down our own will in order to do his .

So what if a person prays about it after coming up with the idea of buying a gun of some type. What should they go by to make their decision. Should they go by whether it makes sense to them, or if God's word explicitly forbids it somehow, or should they wait for a "sign" of some type? I often wonder what people mean when they say that God told them to do or not do something.
To me, it makes as much sense to have a gun (or whatever would make sense for the environment I live in at the time) to be able to defend myself as it does to carry a flashlight with me if I think I'll be out after dark. If I'm attacked, I want to defend. If I can't see in the dark, I want something that will allow me to see.

 

[Alithis]

So what if a person prays about it after coming up with the idea of buying a gun of some type. What should they go by to make their decision. Should they go by whether it makes sense to them, or if God's word explicitly forbids it somehow, or should they wait for a "sign" of some type? I often wonder what people mean when they say that God told them to do or not do something.
To me, it makes as much sense to have a gun (or whatever would make sense for the environment I live in at the time) to be able to defend myself as it does to carry a flashlight with me if I think I'll be out after dark. If I'm attacked, I want to defend. If I can't see in the dark, I want something that will allow me to see.

Umm yeh..did you miss the part about listening to and obeying the Holy spirit?

the issue here is we are not walking in the will of God when we only do that which makes sense to "me" .if it only makes sense to ME ..then it is a sure sign we are leaning on our own understanding ..the very thing the scriptures tell us to NOT do .

and this line you said "-I often wonder what people mean when they say that God told them to do or not do something."
what we mean is that the Holy Spirit told us to do or to not do something
to go or to Not go somewhere
to speak or to be silent etc .. I'm realizing that not everyone has yet learned to listen ..
the lord Jesus said ,"my sheep hear my voice and i know them and they follow me . but we wont learn to hear his voice when we are busy listening to the worlds voice clammering on our lives .we should draw aside and spend time with the lord to learn to know his voice .
it is not something any one else can teach us . but the lord jesus said "i will send you the comforter the Holy Spirit and HE will lead you into all truth
he also said the holy Spirit will convict the world of sin and righteousness .. - so we know that listening to him from the heart will cause us to be convicted if what we are about to do is not the right thing to do.. and knowing what is right to do (it is written )and not doing it - is sin .

we know it is right to be anxious for nothing but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving make your requests made known unto GOd
We know it is right to NOT lean on our own understanding but to trust God and acknowledge him in everything ..

thus to go and do whatever our carnal reasoning deems fit without trusting god and acknowledging him before hand is simply not doing what we know is right to do .

its like so many people want the title of christian they want the ticket to heave .. but how many actually love him enough to open their heart to him and acknowledge him in EVERYTHING vs how many want to just do their own thing because "im saved" and don't truly care what the lord wants . wont even stop to acknowledge him -in case he says no .how many do that ?

i do it all too often and i hope less and less as i learn the joy that comes from obedience .and as i learn to trust him more and more that whatever he asks of me always brings only and increase in our eternal good and never results in regret .

 

[Svt4Him]

of course it may ..but im confident most did not go to prayer to seek him for obtaining one .they just went and did their own will .

You have the gift of discerning of other people's motives as well? I wonder how many people have to wait on the Lord to know if it's okay to murder someone? In areas where God has already told us what we do or don't need to do, wouldn't faith require we simply obey? Seems to me waiting to pray about it is simply saying you don't believe what God has already clearly said.

 

[Alithis]

You have the gift of discerning of other people's motives as well? I wonder how many people have to wait on the Lord to know if it's okay to murder someone? In areas where God has already told us what we do or don't need to do, wouldn't faith require we simply obey? Seems to me waiting to pray about it is simply saying you don't believe what God has already clearly said.

well,then you'd be wrong

 

[Svt4Him]

well,then you'd be wrong

About having the gift of discerning of motives or praying about if it's okay to murder someone? Totally agree, both a not correct.

 

[Alithis]

About having the gift of discerning of motives or praying about if it's okay to murder someone? Totally agree, both a not correct.

you're being dishonest in your representation of what other's are saying and approaching the topic with a belligerent mindset and twisting it out of the scope of the op topic .
0ne does not need the gift of discernment to know the motives of others ..when their words display it quite clearly. .. one does not need the gift of discernment to say most did not "seek the lord in prayer that they might know HIs will in the matter ,they just acted on their own will with little regard to the lords will . one need but "ask them " .as i have often and a total of TWO .. testified of how and why they felt the lord lead them in that and testified of the outcome ..

this is what the scripture( not my personal conviction alone) tells us to do after all ..we are not told to assume .., but rather,
"Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God."

and again we are told in scripture
"Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight.Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.…" again this is not my conviction alone, it is the direct word of God .we are never told do run around doing what "we " think s a good idea simply because we think it is a good idea
We are told to walk in the Spirit of God which is learning to live a life with our hearts submitted to his will because he truly is our LORd and our God .

 

[Svt4Him]

Who is worried? Anxious?

Oh, you're saying because someone does something you disagree with they MUST not be acknowledging God. Sure...okay...

Goes back to my very Biblical saying, live your convictions, preach the word.

 

[Alithis]

Who is worried? Anxious?

Oh, you're saying because someone does something you disagree with they MUST not be acknowledging God. Sure...okay...

Goes back to my very Biblical saying, live your convictions, preach the word.

nope .. your saying i said that- but i didn't say it ,-please ..a little honesty .

i said people do not do so .. because i asked them and only two people have thus far said they did so.. and i have no reason to disbelieve their testimony .the rest ..fall oddly silent at the question(or some get belligerent)

 

[Svt4Him]

nope .. your saying i said that- but i didn't say it ,-please ..a little honesty .

i said people do not do so .. because i asked them and only two people have thus far said they did so.. and i have no reason to disbelieve their testimony .the rest ..fall oddly silent at the question(or some get belligerent)

Got it. Failure to answer a question means the answer is ... Yup, got it again. I don't see anyone getting belligerent though, speaking of honesty.

 

[Alithis]

Got it. Failure to answer a question means the answer is ... Yup, got it again. I don't see anyone getting belligerent though, speaking of honesty.

um are you ok .?

you didn't ask a question you incorrectly presented what i said
your said -Oh, you're saying because someone does something you disagree with they MUST not be acknowledging God.

i said nope .. your saying i said that- but i didn't say it ,-please ..a little honesty .

 

[Ajax 777]

Direct question then. Yes or no.

Would God lead us to a job to supply our needs?

I testify that He not only would and does, but He has in my case.

 

[Always in His Presence]

.as i have often and a total of TWO .. testified of how and why they felt the lord lead them in that and testified of the outcome ..

Well, duh! There have only been six or seven people on this thread. Two say they are gun owners and have testified as you quoted above. Three have said they do not own weapons and one never stated if they did or did not own a weapon.

With that overwhelming amount of imperial evidence you have come to the logical conclusion that most Christians don't seek God before purchasing a gun.?

HUH?

 

[Svt4Him]

Well, duh! There have only been six or seven people on this thread. Two say they are gun owners and have testified as you quoted above. Three have said they do not own weapons and one never stated if they did or did not own a weapon.

With that overwhelming amount of imperial evidence you have come to the logical conclusion that most Christians don't seek God before purchasing a gun.?

HUH?

Yes, one is able to come to a conclusion like that with a great amount of faith in the results, when they don't think God will ever allow someone to own a gun. Sure there are slight variations of this, but that's pretty much what it means. If I don't believe in tattoos say, then I can say most Christians don't seek God before getting one. My conviction is the basis for what I believe God tells everyone, and then I become the Holy Spirit's little helper and make sure everyone follows my convictions.

At the end of the day, because it's not an issue of sin, if you want to please do, if you don't, don't. Doesn't make you a better or worse Christian either way.

 

[de1929]

You are walking in your home and in the living room a man is physically attacking a family member.

What would you do?

Charismatic right ? spirit filled ? I assumed

Have you ever heard Mr A and Mr B Doctrine ?

Holy Spirit (HS) can tell Mr A yes, But to Mr B no. So the answer is not to create a doctrine to resolve your question, but to ask HS. GOD see beyond human comprehensions, so therefore it is legit for HS to give 2 different answers for 2 different people, yet same 1 question.

That's why GOD hates so much when eves eat fruit of knowledge good / evil because it rewires human brain to think about doctrine first, instead of intimacy (aka ask GOD)

 

[Always in His Presence]

Not a clue as to what your cryptic message means.

 

[Alithis]

Charismatic right ? spirit filled ? I assumed

Have you ever heard Mr A and Mr B Doctrine ?

Holy Spirit (HS) can tell Mr A yes, But to Mr B no. So the answer is not to create a doctrine to resolve your question, but to ask HS. GOD see beyond human comprehensions, so therefore it is legit for HS to give 2 different answers for 2 different people, yet same 1 question.

That's why GOD hates so much when eves eat fruit of knowledge good / evil because it rewires human brain to think about doctrine first, instead of intimacy (aka ask GOD)

totally right

 

[Alithis]

Well, duh! There have only been six or seven people on this thread. Two say they are gun owners and have testified as you quoted above. Three have said they do not own weapons and one never stated if they did or did not own a weapon.

With that overwhelming amount of imperial evidence you have come to the logical conclusion that most Christians don't seek God before purchasing a gun.?

HUH?

umm nope i think some have alluded to it ,but stopped short of direct testimony

 

[Always in His Presence]

umm nope i think some have alluded to it ,but stopped short of direct testimony

A simple review of this thread would prove otherwise.

 

[Always in His Presence]

.I speak harsh now . they display the true heart motive of owning the hand gun , they own it because they desire to use it , they desire in their heart opportunity to justifiably kill ... (a fruit of the Holy Spirit ? i know it is not )

Now a simple look at this thread.

People who say they own a weapon - Simply Put

People who say they do not own a weapon - Alithis, SpiritPsalmist and Messy and the ever present probinson doesn't have one either

People who posted, but never said whether they own a weapon or not.

Optimax
Svt4Him
SouthBound
Boidae
Brinny
RDKirk
Frogster
Steve Petersen
Catherineanne
Ajax777
Katerinah
Alderbaren
de1929

Not one mentioned if they even owned a weapon - not one. So I'll ask you to substantiate your claim. To whom is the bolded accusation addressing and what proof do you have of the accuracy of the accusation.

If you can substantiate the accusation, then it may be harsh, but accurate. If the accusation cannot be substantiated then not only is it harsh, but could most likely be a false accusation against a Brother or Sister in Christ.