Discussion Defending self and others.

[Always in His Presence]

So you will or will not be answering my question?

This thread is about to around the mulberry bush now ..i'll leave you all to it . and in the new site terminology .. "unwatch it "

hows that ?..unwatch .. ? what sort of terminology is that lol

 

[Aldebaran]

but seriously if you wish to so diversify the topic .. start another thread on it .

Done! You're welcome to participate: http://www.christianforums.com/threads/faith-how-much-is-too-much.7891107/

 

[Svt4Him]

A simple understanding of the English language would show your question cannot be answered with yes or no. While. Mine can.

Silly man

True, and an equally simply understanding of fallacies would show that some yes or no questions are not as simple as yes or no, they're fallacies. It's actually called plurium interrogationum or many questions.

 

[Frogster]

True, and an equally simply understanding of fallacies would show that some yes or no questions are not as simple as yes or no, they're fallacies. It's actually called plurium interrogationum or many questions.

Should people quit their jobs?

 

[Svt4Him]

Should people quit their jobs?

Depends. Some people have quit their jobs because they were asked to do things that went against who they were, some people quit their jobs because they're lazy so people don't even get a job because they rely on handouts. First one, sure, they have to look themselves in the mirror second no third they need to go get a job. Not a yes or no question.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Are you aware that Paul under the unction of the Holy Spirit said that if a man doesn't work he shouldn't eat.

2 Thess 3: 10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. 11 For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies.

 

[YESLORDIWILL]

Brinny, what do you think?

 

[Always in His Presence]

God led Paul to make tents for provision

God commanded the disciples to buy swords.

God always uses both the natural and supernatural for people.

 

[Alithis]

So you will or will not be answering my question?

sorry missed this .. yes its fair i should answer your question.. yes the lord can lead a person to work as a means to provide for them .of course he can what can he not do ?
i think the your op topic has morphed somewhat lol.

others have asked should we quit our jobs ..? of course the answer is no AND yes .
no if the lord didn't tell you to and Yes if the lord did tell you to .
as both are a matter of obedience.
my wife has just resigned from her job for that very reason as the lord was speaking to us about just that very thing ..she eramed more them I so its a 56-58% cut in income and i the natural we will have enough to buy some food but if any other unexpected cost arrives .. the lord will provide because in the natural we don't have it -but we have him

its all about listening to and obeying the Holy Spirit

 

[Always in His Presence]

sorry missed this .. yes its fair i should answer your question.. yes the lord can lead a person to work as a means to provide for them .of course he can what can he not do ?
i think the your op topic has morphed somewhat lol.

others have asked should we quit our jobs ..? of course the answer is no AND yes .
no if the lord didn't tell you to and Yes if the lord did tell you to .
as both are a matter of obedience.
my wife has just resigned from her job for that very reason as the lord was speaking to us about just that very thing ..she eramed more them I so its a 56-58% cut in income and i the natural we will have enough to buy some food but if any other unexpected cost arrives .. the lord will provide because in the natural we don't have it -but we have him

its all about listening to and obeying the Holy Spirit

Thank you -

And it is EXACTLY the same when it comes to defending yourself. Sometimes there is supernatural provision and other times God expects you to do something.

 

[Frogster]

Depends. Some people have quit their jobs because they were asked to do things that went against who they were, some people quit their jobs because they're lazy so people don't even get a job because they rely on handouts. First one, sure, they have to look themselves in the mirror second no third they need to go get a job. Not a yes or no question.

Greetings! please see post 230, thanks!

 

[brinny]

Brinny, what do you think?

LOL! What'cha mean, what do i think? About what, specifically?

 

[Svt4Him]

Thank you -

And it is EXACTLY the same when it comes to defending yourself. Sometimes there is supernatural provision and other times God expects you to do something.

No, God requires us to do things. It's in doing them there is supernatural provision, sometimes. Want to test this? I'll go to work tomorrow, you stay home and pray, and see who gets paid. Well, you may be on salary, but you get my point. Otherwise the law of sowing and reaping is actually the law of praying and reaping.

Now if God tells you to sure, but I'm willing to bet God has told less people to quit their jobs than they think as God has already said we must provide for our families and a wise man leaves a legacy for his children. But when it becomes "God told me" then any argument is an argument against God.

And please note, I am not saying this is your case, I don't know. How you provide and what happens with your family will play that out.

 

[Alithis]

Thank you -

And it is EXACTLY the same when it comes to defending yourself. Sometimes there is supernatural provision and other times God expects you to do something.

yup for sure

 

[Alithis]

No, God requires us to do things. It's in doing them there is supernatural provision, sometimes. Want to test this? I'll go to work tomorrow, you stay home and pray, and see who gets paid. Well, you may be on salary, but you get my point. Otherwise the law of sowing and reaping is actually the law of praying and reaping.

Now if God tells you to sure, but I'm willing to bet God has told less people to quit their jobs than they think as God has already said we must provide for our families and a wise man leaves a legacy for his children. But when it becomes "God told me" than any argument is an argument against God.

And please note, I am not saying this is your case, I don't know. How you provide and what happens with your family will play that out.

would that not depend on what the work is .. i refer again to - George Mueller read of him

he began an orphanage .. he never told any "man " of his need . but went in private to pray and without fail god provided money to pay bills ,food to feed the children .. he effectively "stayed in his room and prayed ..." when the need was greatest .

we must obey God first .. is it good to provide for our family .yes of course .. but it is even better to obey God .for he said if you give up mother father wife brother sister child .. you will regain them and more in his kingdom.. so we see that while in the natural world there are goof and proper principles ..in God there are better and eternal ones . after all -he was not joking when he said " how much more will your father in heaven clothe and feed you ... "
and he also said by the holy Spirit , be anxious for nothing but in everything by prayer and supplication let your requests be made known unto God .. so we cannot ever suggest that one who cats all their faith in the lord is in error to do so . we cannot condemn them for their faith based on our own personal lack of it .
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[Svt4Him]

You seem to say that getting a job, or protecting your family by any means, is not obeying God. God has said it so if He wants to change that, He can. So listen to God, don't be lazy, go to work, protect your family within the laws of the land. That is in fact listening to God.

Want to know something else? He also said to live your convictions, and preach the word. But you don't seem to want to live that either.

would that not depend on what the work is .. i refer again to - George Mueller read of him

he began an orphanage .. he never told any "man " of his need . but went in private to pray and without fail god provided money to pay bills ,food to feed the children .. he effectively "stayed in his room and prayed ..." when the need was greatest .

we must obey God first .. is it good to provide for our family .yes of course .. but it is even better to obey God .for he said if you give up mother father wife brother sister child .. you will regain them and more in his kingdom.. so we see that while in the natural world there are goof and proper principles ..in God there are better and eternal ones . after all -he was not joking when he said " how much more will your father in heaven clothe and feed you ... "
and he also said by the holy Spirit , be anxious for nothing but in everything by prayer and supplication let your requests be made known unto God .. so we cannot ever suggest that one who cats all their faith in the lord is in error to do so . we cannot condemn them for their faith based on our own personal lack of it .
...

 

[Alithis]

You seem to say that getting a job, or protecting your family by any means, is not obeying God. God has said it so if He wants to change that, He can. So listen to God, don't be lazy, go to work, protect your family within the laws of the land. That is in fact listening to God.

Want to know something else? He also said to live your convictions, and preach the word. But you don't seem to want to live that either.

actually i said no such thing .. have a scroll back .

 

[Svt4Him]

actually i said no such thing .. have a scroll back .

Then I agree, getting a gun to protect your family may be within God's will. Got it.

 

[Alithis]

Then I agree, getting a gun to protect your family may be within God's will. Got it.

of course it may ..but im confident most did not go to prayer to seek him for obtaining one .they just went and did their own will .

 

[Aldebaran]

of course it may ..but im confident most did not go to prayer to seek him for obtaining one .they just went and did their own will .

Why are you confident of that?