Debunking Flat Earth

[Shrewd Manager]

Yeah, your failure to understand does not mean the explanation is wrong.

It's the fisheye effect.

I hate to say it, but your grasp of latin appears to be on a par with your grasp of English. You should stop before you embarrass yourself any further.

Quousque tandem?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

It's the fisheye effect.

As I said, your failure to understand does not make the explanation wrong.

It is not the fisheye effect.

Quousque tandem?

I'd suggest until you have improved your understanding.

 

[Jimmy D]

Can't wait for the strangled obfuscations for this vid. An oldie but a goodie.

Even the top mainstream scientists understood that faith and reason are not opposed. Per Max Planck:

Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: Ye must have faith. It is a quality which the scientist cannot dispense with.

That video is garbage.

I'll just link to some one else's calculations as it would be a waste of time to re-do them all...

Explained: 443 km distance- mountains visible.

It's funny how the photo in question is a world record holder, a record distance that corresponds exactly to what we would expect on a globe Earth.

NASA must be destroying evidence of the photos of objects at a greater distance that we'd expect to see on a flat earth.

Edit: Woops, just realized BB has already linked to this.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

But God resists the proud, and gives grace to the humble. Are you willing to put aside your prejudices and preconceptions and seek him afresh with an open mind and heart? You won't be disappointed.

Religion reverses logic all the time. The Bible calls people fools that want sufficient evidence for their beliefs and honors people that believe things without evidence or even against demonstrated truth. It also calls people proud that believe things based on evidence and calls people humble that assert things to others that they cannot demonstrate to be true. Most Christians would tell me that I actually believe god exists against what I tell them I believe, this is supremely arrogant and prideful yet that is thought of as being humble and grace filled. Asserting that you believe something about another that you cannot demonstrate to be true is arrogant and the opposite of humble.

The reality is it is foolishness to believe something without sufficient evidence or in the face of demonstrated truth and then call others fools for wanting that evidence.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Religion reverses logic all the time. The Bible calls people fools that want sufficient evidence for their beliefs and honors people that believe things without evidence or even against demonstrated truth. It also calls people proud that believe things based on evidence and calls people humble that assert things to others that they cannot demonstrate to be true. Most Christians would tell me that I actually believe god exists against what I tell them I believe, this is supremely arrogant and prideful yet that is thought of as being humble and grace filled. Asserting that you believe something about another that you cannot demonstrate to be true is arrogant and the opposite of humble.

The reality is it is foolishness to believe something without sufficient evidence or in the face of demonstrated truth and then call others fools for wanting that evidence.

Actually, there are a number of epistemological complications in Christianity that can be found and volleyed about, but in saying this, I'm wondering: is this entire thread even for real? Does a 'flat-earth' idea even need to be defended in this day and age? Who even does that?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Religion reverses logic all the time. The Bible calls people fools that want sufficient evidence for their beliefs and honors people that believe things without evidence or even against demonstrated truth. It also calls people proud that believe things based on evidence and calls people humble that assert things to others that they cannot demonstrate to be true. Most Christians would tell me that I actually believe god exists against what I tell them I believe, this is supremely arrogant and prideful yet that is thought of as being humble and grace filled. Asserting that you believe something about another that you cannot demonstrate to be true is arrogant and the opposite of humble.

The reality is it is foolishness to believe something without sufficient evidence or in the face of demonstrated truth and then call others fools for wanting that evidence.

Also, I wonder if former president Jimmy Carter believes in a flat-earth? Any guesses on this, Clizby?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

I'd suggest until you have improved your understanding.

This is the problem in America in my opinion. We don't teach epistemology and skeptical thinking. I believed many untrue things in my life because I did not understand how to determine what is true and what is false and what we cannot determine either way. Almost all the problems in the US are the result of bad thinking or bad epistemology. If we were taught how to think and how to assess claims we would not have the political candidates we have, we would not have as much debt as we have, we would not have as much bigotry as we have, we would not have as much religious oppression as we have etc.

We don't get to decide what we believe, we are either convinced or not by good or bad reasons. When we believe Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump is usually has nothing to do with evidence it is usually because they are on our side. We never really investigate claims made by candidates. We just believe whoever is on our side. We get our information from people that support our side. Just like most Christians, they get their beliefs from other apologists instead of looking at the evidence. I can understand to some extent believing something without evidence. I believed god existed for a long time but not based on good evidence. What I don't understand is believing something in the face of demonstrated evidence to the contrary. Evolution is demonstrably true, most Christians in the world believe evolution is true except in America. Christians in America are never taught the facts of evolution even in our school systems. They get their facts from apologists instead of looking at the evidence for themselves. Some Bible stories have also been demonstrated to be false. It is a fact that the flood could never have happened, yet Christians in America will never look at the evidence against that fact. Flat earther's are the same, believing in something against demonstrated evidence against the proposition.

To make America great again we need to teach good epistemology and real skeptical thinking.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Oh look, a claim which has been debunked. How novel.

Amazing, something that the ball earth model says would be barely visible is barely visible.

If the earth is flat, why not take a picture of Everest? Or Hawaii from any spot around the rim of the Pacific? Hawaii should make a great target. It might be in sunshine while the camera was in darkness in Japan or Peru. It would be like a lighthouse!

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Actually, there are a number of epistemological complications in Christianity that can be found and volleyed about, but in saying this, I'm wondering: is this entire thread even for real? Does a 'flat-earth' idea even need to be defended in this day and age? Who even does that?

Unfortunately it does need to be argued against. Flat earther's are on the rise in the US, this kind of thinking affects us all when it comes to policy decisions.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Also, I wonder if former president Jimmy Carter believes in a flat-earth? Any guesses on this, Clizby?

How is this relevant?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

How is this relevant?

Despite his having been a Democrat, do you think Carter was a Christian, an American Christian at that? And, do you think that Carter, despite his being an American Christian, still could have been educated and/or informed that the earth isn't flat? If yes, and if we can take Carter as representing some kind of Christian thought, then should we thereby insist that there's some kind of necessary relationship between being a Christian and being ignorant of the fact that the earth isn't flat?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Unfortunately it does need to be argued against. Flat earther's are on the rise in the US, this kind of thinking affects us all when it comes to policy decisions.

Ah! So, you're more concerned about 'policy,' then?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Unfortunately it does need to be argued against. Flat earther's are on the rise in the US, this kind of thinking affects us all when it comes to policy decisions.

Moreover, are you saying that there is indeed a rise in those U.S. citizens who believe in a flat-earth, or are you saying that there is a rising trend regarding interest about the topic of the idea of a flat-earth?

 

[Jimmy D]

is this entire thread even for real? Does a 'flat-earth' idea even need to be defended in this day and age? Who even does that?

Not really, it passes the time though.

Funnily enough I was watching that Behind the Curve documentary recently, it appeared to me that most of the promoters of this nonsense are more interested in their cultivating their "profile" than anything else. Conspiracy - minded people seem to fall for it hook, line and sinker.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Not really, it passes the time though.

Funnily enough I was watching that Behind the Curve documentary recently, it appeared to me that most of the promoters of this nonsense are more interested in their cultivating their "profile" than anything else. Conspiracy - minded people seem to fall for it hook, line and sinker.

That sounds about right, Jimmy! It's probably due to some form of bandwagon mentality among those who feel disenfranchised.

 

[JacksBratt]

Uh, the globe earth was proved a few thousand years ago.

OK, if it is "proven" (tongue in cheek because I'm not convinced that either model has been "proven")

What is your proof... I say this because when some people start really looking at the "proof" on which they base their belief in the globe... they end up questioning the model.

OK and nobody else chime in on this. I know I have debated this with many of you for days on end.. I just want to see what Kylie is using as a proof of their view. So, let's let them tell it their way.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Despite his having been a Democrat, do you think Carter was a Christian

Hey, he's not doing well, but he's still kicking.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Hey, he's not doing well, but he's still kicking.

I hope it was clear that I'm indirectly insinuating that Carter was, and still is, a Christian. And I am sorry to see that he's ailing of late. I think he's an interesting guy.

 

[JacksBratt]

Actually, there are a number of epistemological complications in Christianity that can be found and volleyed about, but in saying this, I'm wondering: is this entire thread even for real? Does a 'flat-earth' idea even need to be defended in this day and age? Who even does that?

Yes, it is for real.
Every once and a while I see a new face here who is dumbfounded by the idea that some believe in a Flat earth..

I certainly was... Until I started looking at their argument. They have some very good points.

Remember... every single person who believes in the FE... started with the same reaction.. " Ya, right, what nonsense".

You could stop there but many of these FE'ers have "went outside" and did their own research, not taking the words of others as the "truth".. They are not unintelligent. Nor are they people with an agenda. For the most part they are searching for truth.

You do know that there has been FE conferences in the US, Canada and an international Flat earth conference, right?

Also, "the flat earth society" is not a group to be taken an valid.. Sad, but true, most FE'ers will not recognize the "Flat earth Society" as reputable.

 

[JacksBratt]

Unfortunately it does need to be argued against. Flat earther's are on the rise in the US, this kind of thinking affects us all when it comes to policy decisions.

So..... do you think that you should be able to control the things that people believe in? Control what they say? Control their ideas and views? Stop anything that you don't think is true?

That... my friend... is a slippery slope.