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"Irretrievably irrational," LOL! Good stuff... 
He's at the very least given me a reason to post a bit more here at this forum! On the other hand, to thank him would be giving him credit that is completely undeserved...
He's at the very least given me a reason to post a bit more here at this forum! On the other hand, to thank him would be giving him credit that is completely undeserved...
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Looking forward with some bemusement to the next installment of figuring out what "kinds" really are. If it happens, it'll be a first.
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Follower of Christ
Literal 6 Day Creationist<br />''An Evening and a
Boy, I am glad I am trying to not be the person I was a few years ago. I may have some very have some very intelligent sounding insults for a few folks.
you all act like we have to accept evolution to accept ''variation''
Whats really humorous is how you all use Gods design for His creation to vary within their ''kind'' as some pathetic so-called ''evidence'' for your unproven speculation.
Guess whats folks? Evolution (OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS) is a bold faced lie !
It has never happened, it never will happen and you have absolutely NO evidence beyond things like a rabbit having the God given ability to adapt to its environment (smart God I have there, huh?) or maybe a mutation here and there.
Not much to go on.
If anyone doensnt know what they are saying, its brainwashed evolutionists who buy into anything that some man in a little white uniform tells them to believe, regarless of his ungodly beliefs, that wil probalby be debunked ina few years by another guy in a white uniform with more ''evidence'' with an even more ungodly attitude.
You guys just dont know what to believe.
And Christian Evolutionists are the worst off.
They cant accept the beliefs of either group, so they make up their own rules to reality based on what they want to believe.
COME ON GUYS, BE EITHER HOT OR COLD BEFORE HE SPEWS YOU OUT. (no, I am not yelling, just emphasizing)
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JohnR7
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Umm, I think you need to put a little but more thought into what your saying here. You are guilty of the same thing the so called evolutionionists are: Bold faced generalities.
Have you ever seen a Model A Ford? How would you compare a Model A Ford with a Ford that was produced 80 years later? Would you call that progress? Could you say that Ford cars evolved from a simple into a more complex form of transportation? Did you know that the first car was a wagon designed to be drawn by a horse, but they put a steam engine on it? As the wagon began to be transformed into a car, what do you call that?
How about Harvey Firestone, who is working the farm with his tractor and decides that the ride is to rough. Then he spends his whole life to invent the pneumatic tire, to give us a softer ride for our "wheels". What is that, what do you call the transition from a solid wheel made out of wood and metal, to a pneumatic wheel make out of mostley air and rubber with a little bit of polyester and metal to strengthen it? Is that progress? Did the wheel evolve?
Evolution is just a word in the dictionary that has been hijacked by a bunch of post darwin zealots. Darwin's theory of evolution was proven to be wrong, so now we live in an age of NeoDarwinism, and that also will be proven to be wrong. Or at best very inaccurate. There is far to many contradictions within their own ranks. Evolutionists can not even agree amoung themselves as to what evolutionary theory is.
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JohnR7
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Really, a little while ago, everyone was flippantly flipping around the word: "falsify" like it was a pan cake. No one bothered to look the word up in the dictionary.
It means to misrepresent to make the truth out to be a lie. Da, we knew that all along, they just did not realize they were doing that.
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Follower of Christ
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Sorry, you are right.
I have noticed there is a definition problem here.
Okay, evolution(?) over millions(+) of years never happened.
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Your choice to believe a collection of oral traditions from ignorant ancient people who knew nothing of science, as the absolute truth does not make reality disappear. Evolutionary theory is used in medicine, especially pharmacology, so since it's a "bald faced lie" I suppose you choose to pray over an infection instead of taking antibiotics.
And falsify has another definition, to prove false. YEC has been proven false. The Earth is millions of years old, there was no global flood, and animals changed over time.
And falsify has another definition, to prove false. YEC has been proven false. The Earth is millions of years old, there was no global flood, and animals changed over time.
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JohnR7
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Whoa, hold it right there bucko. Don't blame us for the confusion. Evolutionists are the ones that take truth and twist it so as to pervert it into a lie. Our truth remains consistant and steadfast. We have not changed our story in over 3500 years. Evolutionists change their story more often then some people change their underware. We did not hijack the word: "evolution", evolutionists hijacked the word and tried to twist and pervert it's meaning.
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Follower of Christ
Literal 6 Day Creationist<br />''An Evening and a
The problem we have is that so many ''christians'' are buying into everthing and then claiming its okay.
This is why the bible says for not many to be teachers.
If I am going to be accountable for teaching/showing anyone anything,
Let it be the unaltered Word of the Living God.
Evolutionists have to alter the meaning of words in order to keep in agreement with current data.
I imagine that sometime in the future "evolution'' with be totally unfamiliar to us today.
Thats one good reason to not accept it at all.
It changes with each generation and is only being taught because it has not been publically ''falsified'' by secular scientists yet.
I am not waiting around until then to find out everything I believe is based on mere observation/speculation.
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JohnR7
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Your choice to call Holy Men of God "ignorant" does not make reality disappear either. To say they knew nothing about science is a bold faced lie. They were the origional scientists.
Abraham was a Chaldean from the city of Ur, they were a learned class of people who interested themselves in science and religion.
Noah must have know a little bit of something, to be able to build the ark that he built to survive the flood.
Moses was a son of Pharaoh, he was educated and trained in Egypt. The Egyptians must have known a little bit of something to be able to build the pyramids.
Let me see you build something that will last that long.
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Scientists don't "change their story" because it's not a story. They adjust their theories and hypotheses when new evidence arises or new technology allows more thorough testing. The basic tenets of biological evolution, that populations changes over time via adaptation and mutation, have not changed.
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Follower of Christ
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This is RICH !!!
They dont ''CHANGE THEIR STORY'',
they ''ADJUST THEIR THEORIES AND HYPOTHESES''
Well, thanks for making that a little more clear (?)
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JohnR7
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No problem, I am just trying to pry our dictionary out of their hands, so we can get it back again. They twist and pervert the meaning of words so much that you almost can not even have a conversation anymore. Talk about the Tower of Babel!
Thank God we have the mind of Christ and the day will come when we will be all of one mind and one accord, because we will all think the divine thoughts of God, and have the divine nature of Christ and His attitude in everything.
Philip. 3:12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.
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Today at 10:51 AM Follower of Christ said this in Post #133
This is RICH !!!
They dont ''CHANGE THEIR STORY'',
they ''ADJUST THEIR THEORIES AND HYPOTHESES''
Well, thanks for making that a little more clear (?)
Well what do you expect? If science wasn't open to new ideas, that computer you are typing on wouldn't exist.
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Follower of Christ
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I am sorry, I really do understand how one can believe in evolution.
Its very convincing with alls its evidence.
Its not fair of me to criticize anyone for believing it as I did for so long.
I just hope you all keep your eyes open to truth and always ask God for Him to show you His truth regardless of what is going on in the world around you.
Its very convincing with alls its evidence.
Its not fair of me to criticize anyone for believing it as I did for so long.
I just hope you all keep your eyes open to truth and always ask God for Him to show you His truth regardless of what is going on in the world around you.
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As far as the Theory of Evolution goes, this "variation" of which you speak is part of that theory. And if you include speciation as what you accept, then really, you've accepted so much evolution I'm not actually sure what you are rejecting. You see, FoC, it really doesn't matter whether you start with one species of organisms or a thousand different ones. If you accept the fact that they can diversify to the point of producing new species, then that's really all there is to it. All us "evolutionists" are proposing is multiple speciation events over a long period of time.
Well, yes. If modern organisms can diversify into new species, what is preventing this from happening in the past?
Based on what? We know evolution (including speciation) happens today. We have the historical evidence that this has occured in past. How exactly is this a lie?
How about, instead of presenting empty words, you back up your claim.
If you believe that speciation hits a certain "barrier" in nature, why don't you demonstrate where that barrier lies.
Your cries of "it never happened" sound more like you're trying to convince yourself.
Irony meter broken.
I have a pretty good idea of what I believe. I'm not sure if I can say the same for you.
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