Today at 03:00 PM lucaspa said this in Post #211
LOL!! Haven't you been paying attention to the fact the Flood was falsified by 1831.
What are you talking about, the theory that the flood covered the would world? There was still a flood, Noah was a real person, and there was a real Ark that Noah built to survive the flood. Just because someone's theory that it was a world wide flood did not pan out, does not mean a thing. That is no reflection on the Bible at all. It just shows that there are people who have a hard time understanding the Bible.
Lot's of people demonstrate that the Bible is to difficult for them. Because you need the help of the Holy Spirit of God to understand the Bible. If you do not have the Holy Spirit, then it is going to be to difficult for you to understand. The Bible will be beyond your ability to be able to grasp.
Jews don't accept the NT as true, do they?
We are not talking about the NT, we are talking about the books of Moses right now. Messianic Jews accept the NT.
You mean, "with what we would like to be historically true". Science can't do what you want. Science can only line up with experience of the physical universe.
It is so hard to have a conversation with you people, because you can not demonstrate any ability to be able to grasp the most simple and basic of things. But I will try this ONE MORE TIME real slow so you can understand. In the Bible, you have creation, then you have what they call the genealogies. The genealogies of man cover the last 6000 years in man's history. Right now we are NOT talking about chapter one in Genesis. We are talking about Chapter 2 on, which begins with Adam and Eve, or the earth as we find it starting 6000 years ago. When you deal with recorded history, there are lots of written records outside of the Bible that deal with this same 6000 year period of time.
For example, Moses did not write the first book. Also, Moses was NOT the first person to write law. Moses was in Egypt and wrote on a type of paper. Before Moses they wrote on clay tablets. So we have written history even before Moses.
And what archeological discovery has made Adam and Eve historical people? Or Noah for that matter? [/B]
We were talking about the work of David Rohl. He is not a Christian, but he uses the Bible as a book of history and he feels he found the location of the Garden of Eden.
http://tlc.discovery.com/convergence/eden/expertqa.html
Even you must know to say point blank: Adam and Eve were real people who lived in a real Garden of Eden 6000 years ago. This is a daring move if it were speculation. But it is not speculation is it fact. There is no question about it.
The interesting thing is, you know that you can not prove this statement to be false, because they were real people. Your only hope is to say that the Bible, like other books written 3 and 4000 years ago, were real stories, about real people, but they got a little carried away when they talked about religion & theology.
Take for example the story about Helen of Troy. No one questions that they really was a Helen of Troy. But the question is, was her husband telling the truth when he said she was kidnapped. Or was her boyfriend telling the truth when he said she willingly ran off with him, and she wanted to be with him rather than her husband. But no one questions that there really was a Helen of Troy and that there really was a war fought over her.
Was there a Garden of Eden? Yep. Was there a Adam and a Eve? Yep. Was there a talking snake? Well, yes, but now we are getting into theology and we are no longer talking about science and history. Did God get mad at Adam and Eve? Yep, He sure did, but again, this is not science, this is not history, it theology.
Adam and Eve and the Garden is history and science. The rest it would be best to leave to the sunday school teacher to explain.
