Debate help...why is homosexuality wrong?

[Wizzer]

... As we all know, the Bible is clear on being against this lifestyle. What I need is some other reasons to use with my friends on this topic. The reason being is that they don't believe the Bible, or in Jesus. ... Thanks!

Yes, Romans chapter one is all about those who want to do their own thing and refuse to listen to God. Paul says there is judgement coming. As long as these people persist in their willful ignorance, there is nothing you can do for them.

 

[lawtonfogle]

The Scriptures do not support slavery or racism, they do however acknowledge that they exist.

There are laws in the Bible concernign slavery (though I cannot remember any concerning racism). But, during the time these laws were written, being a Hebrew slave, where you are still respected as a human being, a creation of God, was better than being a free man in other contries.

 

[HunterRose]

Do those people understand that it was man who created those conditions and if anything, God was providing guidelines in how to care for a servant or slave, and treat them kindly? God wasn't saying racism or slavery is approved, anymore than he said have multiple wives. Those are conditions man introduced.

The Scriptures do not support slavery or racism, they do however acknowledge that they exist.

They do much more than acknowledge their existence. Scriptures provide moral guidelines for buying and selling slaves…(Exodus 21:2-6) even moral guidelines for selling your own daughter into slavery. (Exodus 21:7-11). The bible contains moral guidelines for beating, crippling and killing slaves (Exodus 21:20-21) (Luke 12:47-48). Slaves are given the same value as animals, not people. (Exodus 23:12) Scripture says slaves are property and nothing more (Leviticus 25:44-46) The bible says that the children of slaves are inferior to the children of free people (Galatians 4:28-31). The bible also declares it immoral for slaves to seek freedom or rebel (Ephesians 6:5), (1 Timothy 6:1-2) The New Testament will not help anyone nor will call any Christian to fight for the rights of any slave to be freed. The slave will simply have to either live as a slave and die as a slave (1 Corinthians 7)

 

[DeepThinker]

They do much more than acknowledge their existence. Scriptures provide moral guidelines for buying and selling slaves…(Exodus 21:2-6) even moral guidelines for selling your own daughter into slavery. (Exodus 21:7-11). The bible contains moral guidelines for beating, crippling and killing slaves (Exodus 21:20-21) (Luke 12:47-48). Slaves are given the same value as animals, not people. (Exodus 23:12) Scripture says slaves are property and nothing more (Leviticus 25:44-46) The bible says that the children of slaves are inferior to the children of free people (Galatians 4:28-31). The bible also declares it immoral for slaves to seek freedom or rebel (Ephesians 6:5), (1 Timothy 6:1-2) The New Testament will not help anyone nor will call any Christian to fight for the rights of any slave to be freed. The slave will simply have to either live as a slave and die as a slave (1 Corinthians 7)

What are your veiws on this? you have quoted the scriptures, but I am curious to your standpoint

 

[DeepThinker]

He simply meant the Bible is wrong, untrue!

sounded like it, but im not going to draw conclusions till i get it from the horses mouth, I myself do think the Bible is wrong on many accounts, but thats not for now.

 

[No Swansong]

I think you may be alittle confused, man is not here to produce more people!

I remember reading in the bible that,
jesus was preaching & was asked by the deciples so it is wise not to marry then you say?,and he said something like, there are people made by god who are not ment for marriage, perhalps they are disabled or had something go wrong in the whomb by gods doing so what you ask is correct, but men wont like what I say jesus said,
thats not the exact words but perhalps someone could tell you where it is, I forget.

It may be true that not all men are meant to reproduce but throughout scripture the commandment to go forth and multiply is repeated in different ways.

 

[No Swansong]

They do much more than acknowledge their existence. Scriptures provide moral guidelines for buying and selling slaves…(Exodus 21:2-6) even moral guidelines for selling your own daughter into slavery. (Exodus 21:7-11). The bible contains moral guidelines for beating, crippling and killing slaves (Exodus 21:20-21) (Luke 12:47-48). Slaves are given the same value as animals, not people. (Exodus 23:12) Scripture says slaves are property and nothing more (Leviticus 25:44-46) The bible says that the children of slaves are inferior to the children of free people (Galatians 4:28-31). The bible also declares it immoral for slaves to seek freedom or rebel (Ephesians 6:5), (1 Timothy 6:1-2) The New Testament will not help anyone nor will call any Christian to fight for the rights of any slave to be freed. The slave will simply have to either live as a slave and die as a slave (1 Corinthians 7)

So far I have only had time to look up a couple of these admittedly but, I still only see acknowledgment the first one I read said "If you buy a Hebrew Slave" It doesn't say go buy one. It does give commands on proper treatment if you do. But as I earlier wrote I haven't researched all of them.

 

[HunterRose]

HunterRose, do you think Bible is Wrong?

Do you think slavery is moral?

 

[HunterRose]

He simply meant the Bible is wrong, untrue!

Please do not put words into my mouth.

 

[HunterRose]

So far I have only had time to look up a couple of these admittedly but, I still only see acknowledgment the first one I read said "If you buy a Hebrew Slave" It doesn't say go buy one. It does give commands on proper treatment if you do. But as I earlier wrote I haven't researched all of them.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.Exodus 21:7

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. Leviticus 25:44-45

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. Exodus 21:2-6

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. Exodus 21:20-21


The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." Luke 12:47-48

 

[Colabomb]

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.Exodus 21:7

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. Leviticus 25:44-45

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. Exodus 21:2-6

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. Exodus 21:20-21


The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." Luke 12:47-48

Remember, God allowed some things such as Divorce due to the Hardness of men's hearts.

 

[Colabomb]

They do much more than acknowledge their existence. Scriptures provide moral guidelines for buying and selling slaves…(Exodus 21:2-6) even moral guidelines for selling your own daughter into slavery. (Exodus 21:7-11). The bible contains moral guidelines for beating, crippling and killing slaves (Exodus 21:20-21) (Luke 12:47-48). Slaves are given the same value as animals, not people. (Exodus 23:12) Scripture says slaves are property and nothing more (Leviticus 25:44-46) The bible says that the children of slaves are inferior to the children of free people (Galatians 4:28-31). The bible also declares it immoral for slaves to seek freedom or rebel (Ephesians 6:5), (1 Timothy 6:1-2) The New Testament will not help anyone nor will call any Christian to fight for the rights of any slave to be freed. The slave will simply have to either live as a slave and die as a slave (1 Corinthians 7)

You don't understand.

If the Scriptures say these things, they say these things Rightfully.

I don't follow the Bible because I like what it says. I follow the Bible because it is True.

 

[Colabomb]

I have the read the whole thing yet, but this is interesting.

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qnoslave.html

 

[DeepThinker]

I don't follow the Bible because I like what it says. I follow the Bible because it is True.

How did you come to this conclusion?

 

[artybloke]

If the Scriptures say these things

is a very moot point. Read in its historical context, and not just pretending it was written yesterday, it says nothing for certain about loving homosexual relationships; though it does have a lot to say about justice for the poor, defending the widows and orphans loving your neighbour as yourself.

 

[Colabomb]

is a very moot point. Read in its historical context, and not just pretending it was written yesterday, it says nothing for certain about loving homosexual relationships; though it does have a lot to say about justice for the poor, defending the widows and orphans loving your neighbour as yourself.

And it also says that Liars homosexuals etc, will not inherit the Kingodm of Heaven.

You can't pick and choose the Scriptures.

 

[Colabomb]

is a very moot point. Read in its historical context, and not just pretending it was written yesterday, it says nothing for certain about loving homosexual relationships; though it does have a lot to say about justice for the poor, defending the widows and orphans loving your neighbour as yourself.

Show me the magic context that makes this say something else.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

1 Timothy 1:10
and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,

 

[No Swansong]

is a very moot point. Read in its historical context, and not just pretending it was written yesterday, it says nothing for certain about loving homosexual relationships; though it does have a lot to say about justice for the poor, defending the widows and orphans loving your neighbour as yourself.

Opinions vary, but I would point out that the community to which Paul was writing was much more tolerant of homosexuality than the U.S. is today. And I don't buy the theory that he was referring to temple prostitutes, I believe if he was he would have stated it.

Truth does not change a sin is a sin.

 

[crazymichael]

Show me the magic context that makes this say something else.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

1 Timothy 1:10
and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,

nor effeminate? what exactly does that mean?

 

[artjack]

It may be true that not all men are meant to reproduce but throughout scripture the commandment to go forth and multiply is repeated in different ways.

ok thank you, that is what I meant you to know,

going forth to multiply may be to teach more people about christianity, god and "grow" the church with love with members rather than reproducing people perhalps.