Debate help...why is homosexuality wrong?

[Colabomb]

Why would there be Biblical confusion over this topic? There have been many clear passages in the Bible of God's mandate against the gay lifestyle.

Many liberal Christians believe that The Scriptures are either misinterpreted or simply wrong.

 

[MapleLeaf]

i don't think he made a claim about what should be legal, only about what is a sin.

So then non-Christian same-sex marriages are ok then? Or state sanctioned marriages (ie civil) are ok then as well?

 

[Proselyte]

Many liberal Christians believe that The Scriptures are either misinterpreted or simply wrong.

They are free to think whatever they shall but I believe they are wrong in that assumption.

 

[DeepThinker]

They are free to think whatever they shall but I believe they are wrong in that assumption.

Well I think that many of the passages in the Bible are not right, I follow my heart and let the Bible be just a point of reference. I appreciate you disagree though, God speaks to us all in different ways.

 

[Hadron]

People that believe they are Christian and are actively homosexual are in defiance of God's commandments. They will be separated out, and they will burn in hell. Repent now!!!

 

[DeepThinker]

People that believe they are Christian and are actively homosexual are in defiance of God's commandments. They will be separated out, and they will burn in hell. Repent now!!!

Wow. well I guess that told them.
Mabey you should look to what Jesus proclaims is the second most important commandment of all, "love thy neighbour as thyself" I think your in direct violation of that one right now.
Remember God Judges everyone, not you.

 

[HunterRose]

Let's assume you are correct with homosexuality being genetic, what is your view as to whether or not it is a sin in God's eyes?

If you look enough you can find evidence that everything is a sin.

But if we take Matthew 22:36-40 and John 13:34-35 seriously then the list of what may be considered to be a sin becomes rather limited.

 

[Proselyte]

I care about my friends that are gay, and I don't hate them or condemn them. It's the lifestyle I disagree with, as with friends who do drugs or have other struggles. We all have them, I have my own.

I don't accept that a practicing homosexual who is a Christian with knowledge of the scripture is following God's will.

Ultimately, that is between them and God.

 

[HunterRose]

This doesn’t relate to my post, since my post was about the relationship between members of a population passing on genes and reproducing.

It does apply to your post in that not every ember of a given population does or even has the opportunity to pass on his/her genes.

I did, for simplicity sake but I will now address it. If homosexuality is genetic and recessive we still run into problems. Most traits that have detrimental affect on reproduction that are recessive are recessive to a large degree, keeping a very small portion of the population showing phenotypes for said trait.

You are of course aware that type O blood is the result of a recessive gene...right?

A significant portion of our population shows physical characteristics of homosexuality, so if homosexuality was recessive, it wouldn’t be recessive to the degree required to allow sufficient genetic drift.

I must ask…exactly what is a “physical characteristic” of homosexuality?

The roll of genetics in type 1 diabetes is still highly debatable. Many with type 1 diabetes still reach maturity and reproduce,

Thanks to modern medicine. And only recently with the introduction of insulin

this makes a dramatic distinction between the case of homosexuality and type 1 diabetes. My claim was about genetics playing a role in homosexuality to the degree of where homosexuals have no choice but to be homosexual.

Do heterosexuals have a choice about being heterosexual? I don't remember making such a choice.

Hemophilia is highly recessive, to the point of nearly 1/3 of all cases of hemophilia being spontaneous. Both parents must carry hemophilia in order to produce a child who shows any physical signs of being a hemophiliac. This is why no significant portion of our population shows phenotypes for hemophilia. Unlike homosexuality. Homosexuality can’t be recessive to the degree of hemophilia because such a significant portion of our population is homosexual.

Again I hope you are aware teat type O blood is a recessive trait.

 

[HunterRose]

Many liberal Christians believe that The Scriptures are either misinterpreted or simply wrong.

Many Christians, liberal or otherwise, believe that scriptures supporting the morality of slavery and racism are wrong as well

 

[Proselyte]

Many Christians, liberal or otherwise, believe that scriptures supporting the morality of slavery and racism are wrong as well

Do those people understand that it was man who created those conditions and if anything, God was providing guidelines in how to care for a servant or slave, and treat them kindly? God wasn't saying racism or slavery is approved, anymore than he said have multiple wives. Those are conditions man introduced.

 

[artybloke]

But anything that is as detrimental to reproduction such as homosexuality doesn’t make it very many generations.

At the very most, homosexuality affects 10% of the population. It doesn't affect the survival of a species. This also assumes that this is genetic thing, but not all traits that are inborn are "genetic" in nature (that is, it's not all down to DNA.)

 

[artybloke]

Do those people understand that it was man who created those conditions and if anything, God was providing guidelines in how to care for a servant or slave, and treat them kindly? God wasn't saying racism or slavery is approved, anymore than he said have multiple wives. Those are conditions man introduced.

I've always found these arguments to be, to say the least, "special pleading."

 

[No Swansong]

Okay 2 points here.

1) If scripture says that marriage is between a man and a woman, are you in support of civil marriages between same-sex couples? The United States, nor Canada is a theocracy so should not be ruled by any particular religion.

I am not in support of civil marriages between same-sex couples however I am still considering my stance in civil-unions.

2) If scripture is the rule of law, what about all the overweight people in North American society? Last time I read the Bible it also mentioned gluttony as a sin. Can we stop overweight people from eating? Deny them the opportunity to be with someone they love? After all, they can control that as well and "choose" not to.

This is not a good analogy. Eating is not condemned in scripture, homosexual sexual activity is.
That said, yes Gluttony is a sin. However not all obese people are gluttonous. And likewise not all gluttonous people are obese. Additionally the second part of the question does not analogize well either. In Gluttons eating is not the sin, eating excessively is. In Homosexual sex the Homosexual sex is the sin. Therefore "denying" a glutton "the opportunity to be with someone they love" does not address the sin. By asking this question I assume you imply that "being with" means sexual contact.
I would argue that the glutton needs to recognize and repent of their sin of gluttony the same as the person who engages in homosexual sex needs to recognize and repent of their sin.

 

[No Swansong]

Wow. well I guess that told them.
Mabey you should look to what Jesus proclaims is the second most important commandment of all, "love thy neighbour as thyself" I think your in direct violation of that one right now.
Remember God Judges everyone, not you.

But (not defending the poster you are responding to) is not warning your neighbor of what Scripture says a very real way of loving your neighbor? Jesus Himself told those taken in sin to go and sin no more, He didn't say it's ok you are just being yourself. I know it is cliche but if you were heading down the road and the bridge was out would you not want to know? Would I be a loving neighbor if I knew you were heading towards the span and did not warn you?

 

[No Swansong]

Many Christians, liberal or otherwise, believe that scriptures supporting the morality of slavery and racism are wrong as well

The Scriptures do not support slavery or racism, they do however acknowledge that they exist.

 

[DeepThinker]

But (not defending the poster you are responding to) is not warning your neighbor of what Scripture says a very real way of loving your neighbor? Jesus Himself told those taken in sin to go and sin no more, He didn't say it's ok you are just being yourself. I know it is cliche but if you were heading down the road and the bridge was out would you not want to know? Would I be a loving neighbor if I knew you were heading towards the span and did not warn you?

There is a subtle difference to what was said "They will burn in Hell" I belive it was. I doubt there is any knowlege at all just exactly how God will Judge us at the end, thats why he does it, by all means express your veiws, but do it lovingly, I doubt a statement like that would stop anyone from continuing with their desired life style, if anything it is that sort of comment that makes people more vigilant to their cause.

 

[No Swansong]

There is a subtle difference to what was said "They will burn in Hell" I belive it was. I doubt there is any knowlege at all just exactly how God will Judge us at the end, thats why he does it, by all means express your veiws, but do it lovingly, I doubt a statement like that would stop anyone from continuing with their desired life style, if anything it is that sort of comment that makes people more vigilant to their cause.

While I agree that burning will be a part of Hell I do agree with you that hellfire and brimstone is not always the best approach, but I also know that sometimes it is.

 

[Colabomb]

To answer the OP. I can't give you a good reason. The only reason I am against homosexuality is because Scripture is.

If it were up to me, I would have no issue with homosexuality. However, it is not up to me, and I defer to the God that is eternally more wise than I.

I cannot give you a secular arguement against Homosexuality. All I have is my faith against it.

 

[artjack]

Hello friends. A discussion has opened up between my non-Christian friends and I regarding some issues. One of them is the topic of homosexuality.

As we all know, the Bible is clear on being against this lifestyle. What I need is some other reasons to use with my friends on this topic. The reason being is that they don't believe the Bible, or in Jesus. If I just say the Bible says so, that's not going to help their understanding. Topics like murder, aldutery, abortion to some extent are easier to debate due to the effects they have on other people. But how about homosexuality?

I've already taken into account the fact that at its basic level, it doesn't propagate the species. I still think I need something else to go with.

Many of these friends are curious, and I have been opening the door to Christianity with them. My goal is to continue to do so in a caring and loving manner, and not force anything on them, as that isn't always effective.

Thanks!

I think you may be alittle confused, man is not here to produce more people!

I remember reading in the bible that,
jesus was preaching & was asked by the deciples so it is wise not to marry then you say?,and he said something like, there are people made by god who are not ment for marriage, perhalps they are disabled or had something go wrong in the whomb by gods doing so what you ask is correct, but men wont like what I say jesus said,
thats not the exact words but perhalps someone could tell you where it is, I forget.