Debate help...why is homosexuality wrong?

[DeepThinker]

The Bible says clearly:

Leviticus 18:22 "You [masculine] shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

Christians who follow the Bible yet continue in willful homosexual relationships are living in sin.

We all sin. But to continue in any sort of sin we know is wrong puts the Christian in peril. Jesus did not die on the cross for our salvation so we could continue to live in sin that he paid the price for. We are saved by grace but it doesn't give us license to willfully sin and cause our Christian brothers and sisters to stumble.

I sleap with my girlfriend, yet i do not know this is a sin, in fact i know it not to be, a christian is not defined by his total faith in every verse of the Bible, because we read something in a book does not define it as sin as I said there is no proof to the authenticity of the Bible and its contents can have been tampered with, to have such a book would make life so easy, but sin must be identified by each person , those who are pure of heart have nothing to worry about, those who are not would not be convinced by a book anyway.

 

[DeepThinker]

Im finished debating with you because your point is mute it means nothing to me you have not backed up one point with the bible therefore you are running off of emotions and emotions mean nothing. Back your points up with Biblical scripture or else you are babbling.
1Ti 6:3-5
(3) If anyone teaches otherwise, and does not consent to wholesome words (those of our Lord Jesus Christ), and to the doctrine according to godliness,
(4) he is proud, knowing nothing. He is sick concerning doubts and arguments, from which comes envy, strife, evil speakings, evil suspicions,
(5) meddling, of men whose minds have been corrupted and deprived of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness. Withdraw from such.
I am withdrawing from this conversation

Back up your points with reason or else you babble.
God speaks to me directly, I do not need the Bible, I have the holy spirit, why trust a book over that.

Again I say that how though I speak through love can I be speaking evil? the Devil cannot devide against himself anymore than God can, that is in the Bible

 

[DeepThinker]

Also I have no idea why you are angry brother when all I do is express differnce of oppinion to you, why you say I am evil does not make sense and is also quite hurtfull, why do you intend to injur me, we worship the same God, and christ said that it was ok to be different.

 

[Colabomb]

I sleap with my girlfriend, yet i do not know this is a sin, in fact i know it not to be, a christian is not defined by his total faith in every verse of the Bible, because we read something in a book does not define it as sin as I said there is no proof to the authenticity of the Bible and its contents can have been tampered with, to have such a book would make life so easy, but sin must be identified by each person , those who are pure of heart have nothing to worry about, those who are not would not be convinced by a book anyway.

Fornication has been called sinful in both the Old and New Testaments, and in the Tradition of the Church.

You are going to allow your "feelings" about what God is telling you to get in the way?

 

[Colabomb]

Back up your points with reason or else you babble.
God speaks to me directly, I do not need the Bible, I have the holy spirit, why trust a book over that.

Again I say that how though I speak through love can I be speaking evil? the Devil cannot devide against himself anymore than God can, that is in the Bible

Does He?

How do you know God does not speak to Osama?

How do you know God did not Speak to the Crusaders?

The Holy Spirit tells me that the Scriptures are to be trusted. We all think God speaks to us, however some of us also have a guide by which to judge our "feelings". If what "God" Tells us is contrary to His known Revelation, we know not to Trust it.

 

[DeepThinker]

Fornication has been called sinful in both the Old and New Testaments, and in the Tradition of the Church.

You are going to allow your "feelings" about what God is telling you to get in the way?

Of course, is that not what all those who "supposedly" wrote the new testoment do? Paul was told to eat pork directly by God yet it was written in the scriptures at the time that he should not.

Direct contact is always going to be more reliable.
I say again, did Jesus condem fornication? was it in the list of comandments that he gave to the people that they must keep? if not, why not? why would he keep a law from us?

 

[DeepThinker]

Does He?

How do you know God does not speak to Osama?

How do you know God did not Speak to the Crusaders?

The Holy Spirit tells me that the Scriptures are to be trusted. We all think God speaks to us, however some of us also have a guide by which to judge our "feelings". If what "God" Tells us is contrary to His known Revelation, we know not to Trust it.

Do you not know the difference between good and evil? are you proclaiming that I am not speaking to God, listening to the same voice that tells me to go out and do good in the world? why would the devil do such a thing? why would he want me to love?

 

[Proselyte]

Do you not know the difference between good and evil? are you proclaiming that I am not speaking to God, listening to the same voice that tells me to go out and do good in the world? why would the devil do such a thing? why would he want me to love?

Evil is relative.

We would be hard pressed to find anyone on these forums who has never broken any of the 10 Commandments. It's nearly impossible, and of course it's understood, which is why Jesus gave his life for our sin.

Jesus forgave Mary Magdalene for her adultery, but he also told her to go and sin no more. Since we don't see Jesus physically like Mary did, it's easier for us to slip into comfortable "quiet sins." How much different would it be if we were Mary.

 

[DeepThinker]

Evil is relative.

We would be hard pressed to find anyone on these forums who has never broken any of the 10 Commandments. It's nearly impossible, and of course it's understood, which is why Jesus gave his life for our sin.

Jesus forgave Mary Magdalene for her adultery, but he also told her to go and sin no more. Since we don't see Jesus physically like Mary did, it's easier for us to slip into comfortable "quiet sins." How much different would it be if we were Mary.

Sigh I am leaving the forums, I never meant to cause anyone offense, but my veiws are niether respected by those of athiests or Fundementalists, so I will leave, I know that the path to heaven is love God and love your neighboor, do these things and everything else falls into place.

Good luck and God bless, but just know that this is one Christian who will leave this site for the better of being here

I wish you all well though I hope that this life is rewarding for you and I hope to join you all in Gods arms, in the life after this.

Your Brother in Christ
Martyn

 

[Proselyte]

I understand your frustration, but you need not leave. I have tried to be respectful in responses to your statements. Understand when you call the Bible flawed or fictitious, it's going to raise some debates.

Stay with us and continue in this forum. Just take a short break to cool off.

 

[Colabomb]

Sigh I am leaving the forums, I never meant to cause anyone offense, but my veiws are niether respected by those of athiests or Fundementalists, so I will leave, I know that the path to heaven is love God and love your neighboor, do these things and everything else falls into place.

Good luck and God bless, but just know that this is one Christian who will leave this site for the better of being here

I wish you all well though I hope that this life is rewarding for you and I hope to join you all in Gods arms, in the life after this.

Your Brother in Christ
Martyn

No one has asked you to leave.

 

[HunterRose]

The Bible says clearly:

Leviticus 18:22 "You [masculine] shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

Christians who follow the Bible yet continue in willful homosexual relationships are living in sin.

We all sin. But to continue in any sort of sin we know is wrong puts the Christian in peril. Jesus did not die on the cross for our salvation so we could continue to live in sin that he paid the price for. We are saved by grace but it doesn't give us license to willfully sin and cause our Christian brothers and sisters to stumble.

The bible also clearly says:
"But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you. They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination. Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:10-12)
meaning that Christians who willfully eat at Long John Silvers are living in sin.
Yet when I passed the local Long John Silvers restaurant on the way home from work today…I saw no Christians protesting the restaurants existence….strange it being an abomination and all.

 

[Proselyte]

The bible also clearly says:
"But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you. They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination. Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:10-12)
meaning that Christians who willfully eat at Long John Silvers are living in sin.
Yet when I passed the local Long John Silvers restaurant on the way home from work today…I saw no Christians protesting the restaurants existence….strange it being an abomination and all.

Jesus addressed and freed us from food regulations in Matthew 15:10

10Then he called the crowd to him and said to them, “Listen and understand: 11it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but it is what comes out of the mouth that defiles.”

 

[HunterRose]

Jesus addressed and freed us from food regulations in Matthew 15:10

10Then he called the crowd to him and said to them, “Listen and understand: 11it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but it is what comes out of the mouth that defiles.”

Jesus also said:
“Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law.” John 7:19

And he said:
“And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that." Mark.7:9-13



and then there is:
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one title will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19
and since heaven and earth are still here….

 

[Proselyte]

Jesus also said:
“Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law.” John 7:19

And he said:
“And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that." Mark.7:9-13



and then there is:
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one title will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19
and since heaven and earth are still here….

Yes but did he intend to say those things about your food example? In Matthew 15, he directly spoke about unclean food.
Jesus also didn't say anything absolving us of the abomination of homosexuality.

 

[bexe]

Hi thanks for your reply. Biblically I'm covered. I am trying to find non-Biblical reasons because my non-Christian friends reject the Bible. Therefore making arguments to them from it has no merit in their eyes.
I don't think I will find any, so the point is moot.

yea it does seem difficult without resting on the bible, will keep it in mind and let u know if i think of any!

 

[Proselyte]

yea it does seem difficult without resting on the bible, will keep it in mind and let u know if i think of any!

Thanks!

 

[bexe]

that would mean that not getting married and not having children is also a sin? does everyone have to reproduce?

i wouldnt say so, sorry i have just been revising natural law for my exams, it's all for protection of life and no sex unless its in a marriage and with the aim of procreation otherwise its just giving into temptation and a sin...i dont agree that everyone has to have children tho, its upto the couple. what do u think?

 

[Proselyte]

i wouldnt say so, sorry i have just been revising natural law for my exams, it's all for protection of life and no sex unless its in a marriage and with the aim of procreation otherwise its just giving into temptation and a sin...i dont agree that everyone has to have children tho, its upto the couple. what do u think?

I agree as well that not everyone has to marry and have children. Paul even said this in the new testament:

1 Corinthians 7:1
1 Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me:
It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.

I am interpreting this as if he thinks one can not hold out in abstinence and refrain from adultery or fornication, then one should marry rather than have immoral sexual practices.

 

[countyfair]

Why would there be Biblical confusion over this topic? There have been many clear passages in the Bible of God's mandate against the gay lifestyle.

Silly boy! -gives treat-

There is always confusion over Biblical interpretation. Have you ever heard of a little thing called Christianity? No one has all the answeres, and there are always multiple interpretations of the bible. Whether they are correct or not is up for the individual to decide, with of course, gods help. Personally, I think that the Bible has many interpretations because it is used to serve a purpose, and that is to teach. There are many ways to teach things, and some lessons are used to teach more than one thing.