dealing with vindictive vengeful nasty people, need Godly perspective :(

[RaymondG]

again you need to cut this out and stop blaming the victim

while i do agree we need to guard our heart, it still does not change the fact that in God's eyes, evildoers need to take responsibility for their own evil choice, not me

as far as your example go, you are not me, you don't know what happened, you need to reserve your judgement

i also find it appalling, shocking and intriguing you like Bo is also taking scripture completely out of context by justifying their evil behaviors as in "they don't know what they are doing!"

Roman two stated very clearly and explicitly on this matter

Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. 15They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

I mentioned no scriptures. I only spoke from experience. Only you can make you angry. I didnt mention the person trying to hurt you....I was giving advice to help you stop feeling/getting hurt no matter what others do.

I encourage you to continue to give your mind to the negative thoughts and emotions, thought to be caused by the words and actions of others..... Good luck to you

 

[brinny]

I grew up black and poor, my family lived amongst racist people, nothing the racist could hurl at me kept me from achieving success, for the Lord is with me and He has silenced their lies and deflected their fiery arrows.
He put me in good places and prepared a bountiful table for me and anointed me in the presence of my enemies.
All glory and honor to be Mighty God!

Bless yer heart Kit, praise God for your survivor testimony. May God continue to pour good things into your life, and your family's and household and grant you extraordinary favor. Thank you for sharing your testimony. (((hug)))

 

[TravelerFarAwayFromHome]

I mentioned no scriptures. I only spoke from experience. Only you can make you angry. I didnt mention the person trying to hurt you....I was giving advice to help you stop feeling/getting hurt no matter what others do.

Everyone who does evil is only blind to the fact that God is in them....They know not what they do. You feeling and emotions caused by your own thoughts and not anyone elses actions. Choose to love till the end.....

Choose ye this day, whom you will serve.

Ok, so none of the things you said above were actually based on Scriptures, got it. Though this is a Christian forum, and you are a Christian, i am sure i am not the only who would interpret your answer in such a way.

I pray that when that time comes, my old self has died some much that only the love of God is displayed. The part of me that gets offended dies daily. I am all for holding my peace and letting the Lord fight the battles. But your opinion is heard and respected.

Ok, again, this is not based on Scripture, just your personal experience? got it.

 

[TravelerFarAwayFromHome]

I encourage you to continue to give your mind to the negative thoughts and emotions, thought to be caused by the words and actions of others..... Good luck to you

you are very welcome!

No matter what anyone else does, you have to think about it and choose how to feels. This blind man didnt make me hate or love...My own thoughts and choices lead to my feelings. My thoughts put me in the bondage of hate, and later...the freedom of love. Choose to love till the end.....

I pray that when that time comes, my old self has died some much that only the love of God is displayed. The part of me that gets offended dies daily. I am all for holding my peace and letting the Lord fight the battles. But your opinion is heard and respected.

in the post, i mentioned those people were basically out to destroy/destroying me.

your repeated use of the word "love" and "offended" essentially shift the blame to my direction. so it is not their fault nor their problem, but the fact I am "unloving" and dare to be "offended" by their constant abuse.

now, i will acknowledge i am not a mind reader, but your response does have this effect, as least that how it appears to me

also, where is all the LOVE you were talking about as well as being "NOT OFFENDED" when you got mine reply?

i am not the only person who would feel a sense of disgust being given a suppose advice by somebody who talk the talk but don't walk the walk and does not appear to see the irony in it.

 

[TravelerFarAwayFromHome]

Its a test to your faith actually, and a chance to show you really learn from Jesus.
You cannot change those people by vengeance.

Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless those that curse you, do good to those that hate you, and pray for those who speak evil about you, and persecute you

We cannot just praise God at churches with our tongues only but we need to do God's will in our life.

yes, it is test for you actually, for you to actually examine the motive from which you are offering this advice, and for you to realize you are projecting your own junk onto me by shifting the blame to mine direction for this whole thing.

maybe you should also ask yourself if you actually walk the walk.

 

[RaymondG]

you are very welcome!





in the post, i mentioned those people were basically out to destroy/destroying me.

your repeated use of the word "love" and "offended" essentially shift the blame to my direction. so it is not their fault nor their problem, but the fact I am "unloving" and dare to be "offended" by their constant abuse.

now, i will acknowledge i am not a mind reader, but your response does have this effect, as least that how it appears to me

also, where is all the LOVE you were talking about as well as being "NOT OFFENDED" when you got mine reply?

i am not the only person who would feel a sense of disgust being given a suppose advice by somebody who talk the talk but don't walk the walk and does not appear to see the irony in it.

I wasnt offended by your reply at all. And your reply helps me to understand why you feel the way you do about the people you discuss in your OP. You cannot offend me. My own thoughts about what you say is what can offend me. And I can choose whether or not to think bad thoughts or good ones.....regardless of your motives. Life is much better when you take control of your own feelings instead of giving others the power to affect your mood and judgements.

This was all i was trying to say, using personal experiences. But this is not for you. When you are ready to take back control of your mind and heart....maybe you will remember these words.

 

[fliperacci901]

I must say. There are a lot of things I don't understand about the bible. Like for example, love your enemies and those who persecute you, yet we are supposed to hate the devil. I don't understand that because from my experience I have seen many humans that behave like the devil and may be just as evil as the devil. Now, I know that sounds hard to believe, but I have seen some pretty detestable and despicable people in the world. But I must say that GOD KNOWS MORE THAN WE DO, so we should obey God's word. God knows everything about a person from how many cells are in a persons body to how many hairs are on our head. Who are we to question God or his word and his Commandments when no one is wiser than Him. But, I must say it is not easy at all because my flesh wants to hate people. And it is not because I am evil that my flesh wants to hate people it is because I am good. When I grit my teeth at people in hatred it is not because I am evil, it is because I am a good person and I am disgusted by the evil hearts, actions, and detestable despicable behavior these people display. I, like you, have been persecuted to the point where my goals and dreams have been crushed by evil doers and jealous conniving liars thats main goal is to destroy me. I have lost jobs had to drop out of college and more all because people have wanted to see my downfall. I have been setback in life majorly because of the wicked. I guess you could say I am scarred. It is almost the hardest thing in the world for me to love people that are that evil. Now no one is good but God, but some people are so evil I just don't know what to say. Like I said I am scarred so it is so hard to be obedient and love those who persecute the innocent. But that is what Jesus said to do. So we must do it. He knows better than we do. As hard as it is for me to do, I am trying and God knows my heart. But I can empathize with your situation. Stay strong and be clever as a serpent and keep your faith in Jesus. If you can avoid these people then do your best to stay far from people like that. If they are unavoidable, then I will pray for you brother.

 

[ToBeLoved]

hello

without going into too much details

i am currently dealing with some people in mine life that is just really vindictive, conniving, and vicious.

they try to make mine life hell and appears to spread vicious rumors and slanders about me that could do me real damage

today i saw two of the culprits were given each other this malicious, knowing look right in front of me......

i try to google some helpful Christian resources but frankly it just made things worse

i came across teachings where people try to interpret Psalm 37

Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.

2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.

basically they say that they believe the word soon used in the Psalm REALLY IS NOT SOON AT ALL

because for God day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day?????

Wow, so comforting to know mine tormentors wont have to pay for what they have done to me for a long long time to come, what kind of teaching is that?

so discouraged and angry, it is just NOT FAIR!

You should really give some sort of example of the situation. Using words as strong as malicious, tormentors and wanting people to pay for what they have done for you is pretty strong words.

The other thing, is God expects you to forgive them, because He has forgiven you. Now maybe right now that is not possible, but keep it in the back of your mind and know that eventually you have to deal with it, because God DEMANDS forgiveness.

The other things i would like to know are what are the approximate ages of those involved. There's a big difference between 20's, 30's, 40's, ect

I wish you peace and that these people leave you alone in the future.

 

[fliperacci901]

Follow the Lord's example in the temple with the money changers! I guarantee, a few lashes and they will think twice before they mess with you again!

Notice how Jesus was by his self and he drove out more than one Pharisee. Which shows how cowardly the Pharisees were. The book of proverbs was very correct when it stated, The righteous are bold as a lion, but the wicked flee when they think trouble is coming. On the other hand it may not be a wise choice to give them a few lashes as you say. These days people will press charges and possibly land you in jail. Even with the hardened criminals if you have an assult charge. Trust me, it has almost happened to me. People that do those types of things are ususally the biggest taddle tale snitches. I hope I don't sound like a thug when I say this. Not saying its wrong to call the police. But, unfortunately the law isn't necessarily about right or wrong. The law is just about keeping order in society. So someone could spread the biggest lies about you and completely ruin your reputation, and if you give them an old school beat down they will call the police and the law will be on their side. Sad, but its a fact of life.

 

[Sketcher]

Where is this taking place? School? Work?

 

[TravelerFarAwayFromHome]

You should really give some sort of example of the situation. Using words as strong as malicious, tormentors and wanting people to pay for what they have done for you is pretty strong words.

The other thing, is God expects you to forgive them, because He has forgiven you. Now maybe right now that is not possible, but keep it in the back of your mind and know that eventually you have to deal with it, because God DEMANDS forgiveness.

The other things i would like to know are what are the approximate ages of those involved. There's a big difference between 20's, 30's, 40's, ect

I wish you peace and that these people leave you alone in the future.

they are university kids, so they are either 18 or 21 something like that.

an example?

where should i start?

how about this one, i have mental health issue, sometimes when i am unwell, people can tell

some of them took upon themselves to spread the good news

this is only one example.

btw, please don't insult me by suggesting because i have an diagnosis, i "must" imagine everything up.

that is pathologize people like me

 

[TravelerFarAwayFromHome]

Where is this taking place? School? Work?

school, university to be exact.

 

[ToBeLoved]

they are university kids, so they are either 18 or 21 something like that.

an example?

where should i start?

how about this one, i have mental health issue, sometimes when i am unwell, people can tell

some of them took upon themselves to spread the good news

this is only one example.

btw, please don't insult me by suggesting because i have an diagnosis, i "must" imagine everything up.

that is pathologize people like me

You are going to have to try to be a little bit less defensive if you post in the "Christian Advice" subforum, because you will get all kinds of advice here.

If you want to focus on your mental illness and get advice more for that part of it, I would recommend posting in the Mental Health subforums, here Mental Health | Christian Forums

What I would do is decide how you will handle these sort of issues. You do not have to tell others about your condition, but if others will be or if it is a known fact, then you may want to figure out a way to explain it to people with your own words. You could say something as simple as "I do have a diagnosed illness and I struggle with it". Very simple.

Do not let this trouble you. When something like this comes along, if you have figured out in advance how you will handle it, you can then be more proactive.

Back to God and His desires though. His desire and calling is you forgive. Now if this is very difficult just begin with a simple prayer

"God, you know that I am so angry with these people right now and I feel it is not possible for me, in my own strength to begin a road of forgiveness, but I know that I can do all things through Your strength. So please begin working on my heart that I will develop a heart of forgiveness towards people who hurt me deeply. Please help me with this because I don't feel I can do it on my own"

God already knows all about how you feel. He knows you better than you know yourself, so don't be afraid to talk to God in prayer about it.

God bless you.

P.S. One last question, I know this is difficult but I want to advise you in the best way I know how. Do you believe these people to be Christians? All of them? Some of them? Do you believe they have a mature relationship with God or a more shallow relationship with God where God's input matters in their lives alot or a little?

 

[TravelerFarAwayFromHome]

You are going to have to try to be a little bit less defensive if you post in the "Christian Advice" subforum, because you will get all kinds of advice here.

If you want to focus on your mental illness and get advice more for that part of it, I would recommend posting in the Mental Health subforums, here Mental Health | Christian Forums

What I would do is decide how you will handle these sort of issues. You do not have to tell others about your condition, but if others will be or if it is a known fact, then you may want to figure out a way to explain it to people with your own words. You could say something as simple as "I do have a diagnosed illness and I struggle with it". Very simple.

Do not let this trouble you. When something like this comes along, if you have figured out in advance how you will handle it, you can then be more proactive.

Back to God and His desires though. His desire and calling is you forgive. Now if this is very difficult just begin with a simple prayer

"God, you know that I am so angry with these people right now and I feel it is not possible for me, in my own strength to begin a road of forgiveness, but I know that I can do all things through Your strength. So please begin working on my heart that I will develop a heart of forgiveness towards people who hurt me deeply. Please help me with this because I don't feel I can do it on my own"

God already knows all about how you feel. He knows you better than you know yourself, so don't be afraid to talk to God in prayer about it.

God bless you.

P.S. One last question, I know this is difficult but I want to advise you in the best way I know how. Do you believe these people to be Christians? All of them? Some of them? Do you believe they have a mature relationship with God or a more shallow relationship with God where God's input matters in their lives alot or a little?

well, i apologize to "you" if i was being defensive

it does appears to me your intention is "good"

and the fact is our intention matters as much

i had a lot bad experience on the so called advice forum where people use this forum as an opportunity to vent their own unresolved issues masquerading as advice, i am 100% certain you have seen plenty of example on this sub forums in the past. They are too busy to play judge, jury and executioner and try to hang you! and i finally have reached the place in mine life where i am "confident' to stand up to those Christians who does this kind of things and let them know I am not their "garbage dump" for whatever unresolved issues they may have.

as far as those people are concerned, most of them are not Christians. some of them maybe, after all, there have to be other born again believers within the student body.

but it doesn't make a difference, believers can be just as disgusting and repulsive when it comes to listening and spreading gossip and lies.

as far as your advice of explaining, yes you are right, but the problem with gossip and slander is that people tend to do ALL THE TALKING behind you rather in front of you.

i have suspect it for while because i get people who i don't really know (but shared a class) literally stare at me, mine suspicion was only confirmed when one day i was in the library, I overheard two girls talking about this.

yes I should talk to Him about, i am sure He know how I feel, i just really hate Him right now for so many reasons.

thank you for taking time out to respond by the way.

 

[ToBeLoved]

i had a lot bad experience on the so called advice forum where people use this forum as an opportunity to vent their own unresolved issues masquerading as advice, i am 100% certain you have seen plenty of example on this sub forums in the past. They are too busy to play judge, jury and executioner and try to hang you! and i finally have reached the place in mine life where i am "confident' to stand up to those Christians who does this kind of things and let them know I am not their "garbage dump" for whatever unresolved issues they may have.

That is why I gave you the link to another subforum that may help you more with specific advice you need in your situation. The general Christian Advice subforum, you will get all kinds of advice. That is just the way it is.

 

[TravelerFarAwayFromHome]

That is why I gave you the link to another subforum that may help you more with specific advice you need in your situation. The general Christian Advice subforum, you will get all kinds of advice. That is just the way it is.

i understand this, that is why i have no attempt to 'censor" anybody here

but it does not mean i will just take the beating without standing up for myself.

while taking other people down is indeed part of life, it is not just the way it is as in it is acceptable

it is about time the Admin put in the same rule here as they do in the mental health forum, as in ALL advice that are unhelpful should be removed

by unhelpful i don't mean truthful advice, rather advice should coming from a right place and said it in a way that intend to build others up, not tearing them down by playing the judge jury and executioner.

 

[ToBeLoved]

i understand this, that is why i have no attempt to 'censor" anybody here

but it does not mean i will just take the beating without standing up for myself.

while taking other people down is indeed part of life, it is not just the way it is as in it is acceptable

it is about time the Admin put in the same rule here as they do in the mental health forum, as in ALL advice that are unhelpful should be removed

by unhelpful i don't mean truthful advice, rather advice should coming from a right place and said it in a way that intend to build others up, not tearing them down by playing the judge jury and executioner.

This subforum is just not censored like that and now you know that. It has to be flaming.

The people on the Mental Health forums need protection. That will not change the way things are posted here. It's your call, but if you walk into a tree and it hurts, maybe you should have swerved before walking into the tree, you know what I mean?

You aren't going to change it and if you want to try you should go to the CF Support Center Support Center | Christian Forums and plead your case

 

[Sketcher]

school, university to be exact.

Did you have to deal with any of them prior to this semester? Are they in your same program?

 

[Rescued One]

I grew up black and poor, my family lived amongst racist people, nothing the racist could hurl at me kept me from achieving success, for the Lord is with me and He has silenced their lies and deflected their fiery arrows.
He put me in good places and prepared a bountiful table for me and anointed me in the presence of my enemies.
All glory and honor to be Mighty God!

I'm white and racism grieves me. Thank God He loves people of every color!

 

[LoricaLady]

hello

without going into too much details

i am currently dealing with some people in mine life that is just really vindictive, conniving, and vicious.

they try to make mine life hell and appears to spread vicious rumors and slanders about me that could do me real damage

today i saw two of the culprits were given each other this malicious, knowing look right in front of me......

i try to google some helpful Christian resources but frankly it just made things worse

i came across teachings where people try to interpret Psalm 37

Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.

2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.

basically they say that they believe the word soon used in the Psalm REALLY IS NOT SOON AT ALL

because for God day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day?????

Wow, so comforting to know mine tormentors wont have to pay for what they have done to me for a long long time to come, what kind of teaching is that?

so discouraged and angry, it is just NOT FAIR!

Since you asked for advice, I will give it frankly. The biggest problem here is not the anger and hostility of those who have hurt you, but your own anger and hostility. It is not good for you spiritually or mentally or physically. Anger and hostility have been shown, clinically, to depress your immune system and lead to illness.

Now, I don't want that for you, and neither do you!

The Bible says "Love your enemies....do good to those who spitefully abuse you....do not exchange insult for insult or rancor for rancor...in all things love.."

Perhaps it would help if, each time you have an angry thought toward them (and you may be surprised how very often this is happening when you do this) you stop and pray for them. And do pray for yourself to forgive and let go. You have a, ugly harmful burden on you that you need to be freed from, from within, more than without.